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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:55 am

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Maybe we should just do away with grade requirements, ...
Seems we may have, generally. (old article, but still...) https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/ ... sat-scores
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SAT is for admissions and is not a grade.
Their work and skill at football and their schoolwork to maintain passing grades got them a special admission.
Their continued passing grades and skill on the field kept them on the team
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Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:25 am

Being in the BCS does not equal educational excellence. I fail to see how an extra game or two for some schools some years is going to hurt academics when it doesn't in the FCS.
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Re: College football

Unread post by O Really » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:27 pm

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SAT is for admissions and is not a grade.
Their work and skill at football and their schoolwork to maintain passing grades got them a special admission.
Their continued passing grades and skill on the field kept them on the team
Yeah, I know. But in a cursory search I couldn't find a comparison of graduation rates or GPA's. But still, for every Russell Wilson who actually graduates on time or early and can play on in grad school, there's some who take a light schedule of easy courses and never make it to graduation from the "major" school - if ever. For those good enough to play NFL, it works out. For others, not so much. But in any case, they're no worse off than any other guy who spends more time partying than studying and flunks out.

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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:31 pm

Vrede too wrote:
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Being in the BCS does not equal educational excellence. I fail to see how an extra game or two for some schools some years is going to hurt academics when it doesn't in the FCS.

I never said it did, but the fact remains that a good many prospects who can't get into Auburn because of grades go on to Southern, Grambling and Florida A&M before going to the nfl


there must be a difference in standards
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Re: College football

Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:37 pm

O Really wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:27 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:55 am


SAT is for admissions and is not a grade.
Their work and skill at football and their schoolwork to maintain passing grades got them a special admission.
Their continued passing grades and skill on the field kept them on the team
Yeah, I know. But in a cursory search I couldn't find a comparison of graduation rates or GPA's. But still, for every Russell Wilson who actually graduates on time or early and can play on in grad school, there's some who take a light schedule of easy courses and never make it to graduation from the "major" school - if ever. For those good enough to play NFL, it works out. For others, not so much. But in any case, they're no worse off than any other guy who spends more time partying than studying and flunks out.
I don't keep up much with other schools, but have always heard that AU does a good job of graduating athletes. I don’t have a problem with a guy making millions after leaving for the nfl as a junior never making it back for his degree, but it’s always good to see successful athlete millionaires like Bo and Cam come back in their off season time to graduate.

Probably doesn’t happen as often at FAMU.
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Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:50 pm

Why would the school affect whether an NFL player ever completes his degree?
billy.pilgrim wrote:
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:25 am
Being in the BCS does not equal educational excellence. I fail to see how an extra game or two for some schools some years is going to hurt academics when it doesn't in the FCS.
I never said it did, but the fact remains that a good many prospects who can't get into Auburn because of grades go on to Southern, Grambling and Florida A&M before going to the nfl

there must be a difference in standards
That speaks to those schools, not BCS vs. FCS. I wouldn't make the case that prospects who can't get into Harvard or Yale because of grades go on to Auburn means that the FCS has higher standards. You haven't made the case that playoffs will somehow devastate BCS academics. I agree with O Really, it's about $$$ for the schools and conferences, not about the student players' education.
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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:01 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:50 pm
Why would the school affect whether an NFL player ever completes his degree?
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:31 pm
Vrede too wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:25 am
Being in the BCS does not equal educational excellence. I fail to see how an extra game or two for some schools some years is going to hurt academics when it doesn't in the FCS.
I never said it did, but the fact remains that a good many prospects who can't get into Auburn because of grades go on to Southern, Grambling and Florida A&M before going to the nfl

there must be a difference in standards
That speaks to those schools, not BCS vs. FCS. I wouldn't make the case that prospects who can't get into Harvard or Yale because of grades go on to Auburn means that the FCS has higher standards. You haven't made the case that playoffs will somehow devastate BCS academics. I agree with O Really, it's about $$$ for the schools and conferences, not about the student players' education.

I fail to see how more games equates with less money.

I have no idea why Harvard or Yale do what they do, but it is a fact that students who can't get into Auburn go to Southern or some such school if they don't want to go the juco route to improve their grades

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Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:15 pm

billy.pilgrim wrote:
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I fail to see how more games equates with less money.

It's fewer games. A 24-team playoff like the FCS has is 23 games. One would have to go to a 41-team playoff - unlikely - to equal the current 40 Bowls. Or, it would be the same number of games if there were playoffs plus Bowls for the losers and teams that were left out of the playoffs.

I have no idea why Harvard or Yale do what they do, but it is a fact that students who can't get into Auburn go to Southern or some such school if they don't want to go the juco route to improve their grades

Not disputing you, but you made the case that this was a BCS vs. FCS thing. Strong teams can be pickier for a host of reasons.

don't twist this into something it ain't

I'm just trying to get you to explain why the BCS needs Bowls for academic reasons when the FCS does fine academically with playoffs. So far, I haven't seen it.
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Re: College football

Unread post by O Really » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:12 pm

billy.pilgrim wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:01 pm
but it is a fact that students who can't get into Auburn go to Southern or some such school if they don't want to go the juco route to improve their grades
So according to 2018 "Best Colleges" list, Auburn is about the same level as Appalachian State (low 200's) Bammer is actually above Auburn (mid 100's), which I found surprising. UNC is #47. Guess who go caught letting jocks take easy classes.

It's a fun link, in any case... http://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/

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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:41 pm

O Really wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:12 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:01 pm
but it is a fact that students who can't get into Auburn go to Southern or some such school if they don't want to go the juco route to improve their grades
So according to 2018 "Best Colleges" list, Auburn is about the same level as Appalachian State (low 200's) Bammer is actually above Auburn (mid 100's), which I found surprising. UNC is #47. Guess who go caught letting jocks take easy classes.

It's a fun link, in any case... http://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/
So, who got caught
And when

The link goes to a list of colleges by state

And where does Southern fit in
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Unread post by O Really » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:03 pm

UNC got caught - three-four years ago, and just concluded the ummm, "investigation" last year.

You click a state, it give you a list of all the schools in the state. Click the school for details.

Southern what?

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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:00 pm

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UNC got caught - three-four years ago, and just concluded the ummm, "investigation" last year.

You click a state, it give you a list of all the schools in the state. Click the school for details.

Southern what?
Just an FCS school. I believe it was Southern and Grambling that until recently held the record for the most players to the NFL

Academically doesn't hang with Harvard and Yale, but a decent enough place to go if you are unable to get into an sec school and want to play football.

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Grambling cracked the thousand mark at #999
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Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:46 pm

I think billy.pilgrim told us that an Auburn assistant coach got busted in the Summer/Fall 2017 cheating scandal that saw Pitino and others ousted at Louisville.
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Unread post by Boatrocker » Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:47 pm

IS it too late to throw in a "ROLL TIDE!"?
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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:27 pm

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IS it too late to throw in a "ROLL TIDE!"?

Go ahead, y'all did give us one of our only two basketball losses.

I forget, is it the SGA that will give us the trophy when y'all play at Auburn?
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Boatrocker wrote:
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IS it too late to throw in a "ROLL TIDE!"?
For what? :D
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Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:05 pm

billy.pilgrim wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:27 pm
Boatrocker wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:47 pm
IS it too late to throw in a "ROLL TIDE!"?
Go ahead, y'all did give us one of our only two basketball losses.

I forget, is it the SGA that will give us the trophy when y'all play at Auburn?
13-0! UCF > Auburn > AL > GA = UCF is the real #1, Q.E.D.
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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:39 pm

Vrede too wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:05 pm
billy.pilgrim wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:27 pm
Boatrocker wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:47 pm
IS it too late to throw in a "ROLL TIDE!"?
Go ahead, y'all did give us one of our only two basketball losses.

I forget, is it the SGA that will give us the trophy when y'all play at Auburn?
13-0! UCF > Auburn > AL > GA = UCF is the real #1, Q.E.D.
Sure, and look for trump telling the truth before UCF plays a real schedule.
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Unread post by Vrede too » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:42 pm

Hey, I made Auburn #2. Still bitter? :P
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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:38 am

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Hey, I made Auburn #2. Still bitter? :P
But we weren't #2 at the end of the season. Sure, we beat up on uga and even beat bammer, but we just didn't have the depth to complete the season. Unlike the pros, college football's top teams depend on 2 - 4 standout players backed by a good solid team with a lot of depth. Without injuries, a team like that can go all the way to a championship. We lost 3 of our 4 key players beating bammer (as seen in our loss to uga in the championship) and still should have beat wannabes ucf and their big 10 refs.

Fitting that the UCF coach bailed with his entire staff. Hope his next group of players realize his mis-understanding of loyalty.
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