Good explanation of net neutrality and why it affects you.

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Is there no end to the idiocy?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2690615/ ... rules.html

Conservatives say that net neutrality equates to government takeover of the Internet

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O Really wrote:Is there no end to the idiocy?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2690615/ ... rules.html

Conservatives say that net neutrality equates to government takeover of the Internet
The petition reads, in full: “The Internet is not broken, and does not need to be fixed. Left-wing extremists have been crying wolf for the past decade about the harm to the Internet if the federal government didn’t regulate it. Not only were they wrong, but the Internet has exploded with innovation. Do not regulate the Internet. The best way to keep it open and free is what has kept it open and free all along—no government intervention.”
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! :crazy:

There's that buzz word again! Innovation in the sense of finding innovative ways to tack on more fees for something that's already there. Some might say that's not really innovation at all. If you say a word enough it starts to lose meaning.
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Vrede wrote:From Common Cause:
BREAKING: President demands real net neutrality
Needless to say, in response, Republicans are declaring a holy war against net neutrality.

Ted Cruz: "Net Neutrality" is Obamacare for the Internet

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rstrong wrote:
Vrede wrote:From Common Cause:
BREAKING: President demands real net neutrality
Needless to say, in response, Republicans are declaring a holy war against net neutrality.

Ted Cruz: "Net Neutrality" is Obamacare for the Internet
Except net neutrality has been more or less of the status quo for a while now...

You know what happens next? The masses, in particular supporters of Cruz, who don't understand how the internet works will latch onto this ultra dumbed down equivocation and it'll spread like a virus and become another rallying cry!!!
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JTA wrote:Except net neutrality has been more or less of the status quo for a while now...
Except that it isn't. Not even remotely.

Comcast and Verizon have been throttling Netflix traffic. AT&T has been throttling “Unlimited” wireless plans.

Up here in Canada - and no doubt in the US - some companies have been blocking streaming video from the web sites of various news, comedy and sports channels. This in an effort to stop "cable cutters", people who realize that they just don't need to pay for the same provider's cable TV when they have internet.

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rstrong wrote:
JTA wrote:Except net neutrality has been more or less of the status quo for a while now...
Except that it isn't. Not even remotely.

Comcast and Verizon have been throttling Netflix traffic. AT&T has been throttling “Unlimited” wireless plans.

Up here in Canada - and no doubt in the US - some companies have been blocking streaming video from the web sites of various news, comedy and sports channels. This in an effort to stop "cable cutters", people who realize that they just don't need to pay for the same provider's cable TV when they have internet.
True true... isn't this a recent phenomenon though? Seems like it's only come to the forefront the past few years with the rise of competition from things like Netflix.

Answer me this, they may already do this, but if net neutrality is upheld could ISPs, instead of throttling traffic, instead move to tiered pricing like they do with other utilities like water? Or could they charge based on bandwidth usage? Would that still be allowed if they're reclassified as common carriers and have to treat all traffic equally? Charter supposedly already does this (limits you if you use too much bandwidth in a billing cycle), but I don't think they really enforce it yet. Maybe I'm comparing apples to oranges here...
"cable cutters"
Cable is a rip off.
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JTA wrote: True true... isn't this a recent phenomenon though? Seems like it's only come to the forefront the past few years with the rise of competition from things like Netflix.
Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc. Now the cable/internet companies are creating their own competing services. And so they're throttling or outright blocking the competition.
JTA wrote:Answer me this, they may already do this, but if net neutrality is upheld could ISPs, instead of throttling traffic, instead move to tiered pricing like they do with other utilities like water? Or could they charge based on bandwidth usage?
They're already doing that. If your video isn't streaming fast enough, you can pay your ISP for a higher bandwidth plan.

Except that your ISP will STILL be throttling or blocking certain services.

Consumerist: Netflix Agrees To Pay Comcast To End Slowdown

Consumerist: Netflix Is Also Paying A Toll To Time Warner Cable To Improve Speeds To Users

Comcast gets to double-charge. You have to pay extra for extra bandwidth AND Netflix has to pay them to deliver that extra bandwidth. The smaller players are out of luck.
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"cable cutters"
Cable is a rip off.
Well, yes. That's why people are going without. And in turn, that's why the TV channels' streaming services are being blocked, to force people back into paying cable bills.

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Admittedly, it may be a fair comparison: Most people don't really understand it, Republicans will declare it commie Marxist socialism, and it'll probably end up working fairly well.

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rstrong wrote:
Admittedly, it may be a fair comparison: Most people don't really understand it, Republicans will declare it commie Marxist socialism, and it'll probably end up working fairly well.
Obama should have said he was against Net Neutrality, then Cruz would've praised it.
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JTA wrote:Obama should have said he was against Net Neutrality, then Cruz would've praised it.
In all seriousness, that's not even a joke. It would really work that way. Just like when Obama adopted 15 years of Republican healthcare policy, and Republicans immediately declared it commie Marxist socialist "ObamaCare." And countless other examples of Obama sticking to Republican policy.

One of the best things he's done is support NASA's Commercial Cargo and Commercial Crew programs, giving America a variety of low-cost commercial launchers and spacecraft. Specifically he's done it quietly, so that the Republicans don't kill the commercial programs as commie Marxist socialism. (Republicans instead back the big-government Space Launch System, AKA the Senate Launch System that NASA didn't want.)

But reverse psychology or hiding one's support is not good leadership. A President should rise above that.

Or at lease save that trick for true emergencies, like if there was a need to prevent a comet from hitting the earth.

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Vrede wrote:
JTA wrote:Obama should have said he was against Net Neutrality, then Cruz would've praised it.
If Obama said he was against pedophilia, then Cruz . . .
. . .would take a stand on the unfair persecution of priests.
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JTA wrote:Thanks for Neil Young, rstrong, but would you please take Cruz and Bieber back?
We can't take Cruz back; he finally renounced his citizenship. Granted, that can be invalidated if he lied on the forms. And regardless, he'll still be a "Canadian Person" under the US's FACTA banking laws.

As for Bieber, it was an American recording company scout that decided that he should be a big star, and America that made him a star. No return unless in original condition.

Of course he's committed violent crimes on both side of the border. The kind that would get most anyone deported or stopped at the border in the first place. Americans must REALLY like their future Ted Nugent.

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Vrede wrote:
JTA wrote:Obama should have said he was against Net Neutrality, then Cruz would've praised it.
If Obama said he was against pedophilia, then Cruz . . .
What happens if Obama comes out and says he supports everything Ted Cruz supports?
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JTA wrote:What happens if Obama comes out and says he supports everything Ted Cruz supports?
The rest of the party would quickly start using Rafael Cruz's real first name, declare him not eligible for the presidency, not a real American to begin with. They'd declare him a RINO traitor, like they've done with Republican moderates once Obama's policies became indistinguishable from theirs.

In distancing themselves from the now-further-right Democrat / Cruz policies, the Republican party would champion things like human rights. (Cheney and other prominent Republicans already endorse same-sex marriage.) They'd back alternate energy. (Especially now that there's money to be made in wind and solar power.) They'd back immigration amnesty to help farmers. They'd try to replace the ACA with a single payer system like every other modern country has, to save the taxpayers $Billions - as good fiscal conservatives would do. They'd back religious freedom beyond the Christian Right.

In short, they'd go full circle to be the party on the left, opposing the Democrats on the right.

They'd still call the Democrats the left/liberal/socialists for another 50 years.


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I know little about computers, computer systems, how they work, etc. But I notice in the "computer" tab under "Users" there is me or whoever is authorized to use the machine as well as "Public." Is this just for the NSA or what? Who is this "public" and why are they always in there?

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Vrede wrote:Also, though it got less coverage:
FCC Votes Net Neutrality and Legalizes Municipal Broadband

... In another important win for Internet access, the FCC voted today to pre-empt state laws in North Carolina and Tennessee that prevented two cities (Wilson, N.C. and Chattanooga, Tenn) from expanding their high-speed municipal broadband networks to neighboring communities. The ruling affects only those two cases, but builds a useful precedent. There are 19 states that restrict cities’ ability to provide municipal broadband. Those laws leave people in poorer neighborhoods without access to modern-speed Internet service if private companies won’t build broadband infrastructure because it’s not profitable enough.
It's amazing to me how the wingnuts see this as an attack on <insert warped jargon here>. I guess the cable companies have a great double-speak campaign for them to buy into this. The nutters claim that if you don't like your ISP, just switch..... uh yeah.... sure.... my choices are.. AT&T, and AT&T. Looks like the free market is working wonderful (for monopolies).

I don't know, I'd just like to find at least some solid evidence for a reason to be against NN.

Our speeds and coverage in the U.S. is embarrassing compared to other countries.

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Hm... maybe it's the free flowing of information itself they're scared of.

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Breaking: House Judiciary Committee Tells FCC It's Going To Block Net Neutrality Rules

"I hate these filthy neutrals Kif! With enemies you know where they stand but with neutrals? Who knows! It sickens me."
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"What makes a good man go neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?"
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Neutral Official: "Your neutralness, it's a beige alert."
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