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Unread post by Vrede too » Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:49 am

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Yo, O Really. Remember Silent Sam?
Of course, but as you know, Silent Sam has nothing to do with the Civil War. His job was to remain vigilant until a virgin walked past at which time he'd fire his gun. Thus the name "Silent." And since nobody wanted to hear a statue fire a gun, great effort was made to assure that no virgin came anywhere close. :lol:
Thank you both for your service and sacrifice making sure that there weren't any virgins on the UNC campus. :o :P
Debates, protests increase over universities' slavery ties


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... The problem is apparent at the University of North Carolina, where opposition to a Confederate statue has dredged up racist statements by a former trustee. Tobacco magnate Julian S. Carr, himself a Confederate veteran, gave the dedication speech in 1913 for the campus statue depicting an anonymous rebel soldier. His remarks included a reference to the "pleasing duty" of whipping a black woman in public....

Protesters at UNC now hope Carr's own words will persuade administrators of the need for change.

Recently Johnson stood before several hundred demonstrators at "Silent Sam" and read parts of Carr's 1913 speech through a bullhorn, emphasizing the words: "I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds."

Turning toward the statue, she exclaimed: "Silent Sam does not represent history ... He represents racism!"
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"Whenever injustices have been remedied, wars halted, women and Blacks and Native Americans given their due, it has been because “unimportant” people spoke up, organized, protested, and brought democracy alive." H. Zinn

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Unread post by JTA » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:43 pm

Some people argue the media attention and national outrage at the Charlottesville rallies are way out of proportion for such a small event. The argument they use can be boiled down to a case of "what-about-ism". Example: "You've got Islamists running over crowds of people in Europe, terrorists killing people, etc, and all the media can focus on is a small gathering of white-supremacists in Charlotesville."

This is really irksome, because it implies that because there's always bigger fish to fry, we should completely ignore bad stuff happening on our home turf. You see this type of argument a lot.
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Unread post by Vrede too » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:07 pm

If we're not to worry about rightwing domestic terrorism, then we shouldn't worry about domestic terrorism at all since rightwing is most of it. I doubt those people would make that case. That said, our "normal" tally of killings by guns does exceed the terrorist tally by tens of thousands each year.
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CBC: Trump a 'stunningly effective president,' says Newt Gingrich


This was to be expected. He persecuted Bill Clinton for having an affair while all the while he himself was having one. And now here he is giving President Trump a blowjob.

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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:27 am

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/10/ ... =emaildkre

Asheville Regional Airport in North Carolina

bomb was meant to cause multiple deaths:

In fact, sharp nails and bullets were found in this improvised explosive device.

Is this real? First I've heard.
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Unread post by O Really » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:43 am

Yeppers. It's real. They even mentioned it on national evening news.

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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:55 am

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Yeppers. It's real. They even mentioned it on national evening news.

What, no 24/7?
I guess the tens seconds of coverage about millions of Americans drinking toxic water took precedence.
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Unread post by Vrede too » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:56 am

O Really wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:43 am
Yeppers. It's real. They even mentioned it on national evening news.
But nothing like if he had been a Muslim. More details:

Complaint: Airport bomb suspect wanted 'to fight a war on US soil'

It doesn't say what kind of "war" Michael Christopher Estes wanted, but I feel pretty comfortable adding him to my list, reposted here for your debates with Islamophobes and reichwingers.

Here's an incomplete list of white, male (often Christian) con domestic terrorism (the majority of attacks we've had) since the early 1990s:

Army of God, Eric Robert Rudolph, Centennial Olympic Park bombing
Aryan Nations
Klan, Michael Donald
The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord
Jewish Defense League
The Order
Phineas Priesthood
Oklahoma City bombing
Anti-abortion violence: David Gunn (murdered by Michael F. Griffin), John Britton and James Barrett (victims of Reverend Paul Jennings Hill), Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols (killed by John Salvi), James Kopp killed at least one, Scott Roeder killed George Tiller
Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting
Andrew Joseph Stack
Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting
Jerad and Amanda Miller
Larry Steven McQuilliams
Kevin William Harpham, 2011 January 17: Spokane, WA bombing attempt
Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting
Jewish Defenders
Jewish Direct Action
Richard White, devout Jehovah’s Witness
Dylann Roof
2015 arson attacks at Planned Parenthood clinics in New Orleans, Louisiana; Pullman, Washington; Thousand Oaks, California; and Aurora, Illinois
Robert Lewis Dear, Jr.
Kayla Norton and Jose Torres
Eric Feight
Russell Thomas Langford
Scott Michael Greene
Joseph Schreiber
The Nevada VanillaISIS Yeehawdi Cowliphate Bundy Klan and their allies
Shane Michael Stanton
Attack on Pat and Joe Jude
Adam Purinton
Eric Feight, Glendon Scott Crawford
Elizabeth and Marc Hokoana
Mitchell W. Adkins
Jeremy Joseph Christian 
Daniel Porter-Kelly
James Harris Jackson
Sean Christopher Urbanski
James Alex Fields Jr.
Kenneth Gleason
Michael Christopher Estes

Charlottesville underscores how homegrown hate is going unchecked
As Trump fixates on violence in name of radical Islam, white supremacist terrorism flares
https://www.revealnews.org/article/home ... e-hate-is/

Who carries out more terror attacks on U.S. soil: Right wing or Islamic extremists?
http://www.politifact.com/california/ar ... il-right-/

Most Terrorists in the U.S. Are Right Wing, Not Muslim: Report
https://www.yahoo.com/news/most-terrori ... 18910.html

Homegrown Terrorism and Why the Threat of Right-Wing Extremism Is Rising in America
http://www.newsweek.com/homegrown-terro ... ism-619724

Home is where the hate is
Trump’s fixation on demonizing Islam hides true homegrown US terror threat
https://www.revealnews.org/article/home ... e-hate-is/

Homegrown Terror
Explore 9 years of domestic terrorism plots and attacks
https://apps.revealnews.org/homegrown-terror/

Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/ta ... hreat.html

Franklin Graham Should Worry About Radicalizing Right-Wing Christians, Not Muslims
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim-ras ... lp00000592

You Are More Than 7 Times As Likely To Be Killed By A Right-Wing Extremist Than By Muslim Terrorists
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/1 ... errorists/

The Growing Right-Wing Terror Threat
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opini ... hreat.html
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Unread post by billy.pilgrim » Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:06 pm

You left out trump and I didn't see this guy

Mr. PoS Harpham tried to blow up little black children at a parade.


the FBI arrested Kevin William Harpham, 36, of Addy, Washington, in connection with the bombing attempt. Harpham allegedly had ties to the National Alliance, a white supremacist organization
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Thanks, it was there but for some reason without the name. I've now changed the entry here and on my own list to read:
Kevin William Harpham, 2011 January 17: Spokane, WA bombing attempt
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White Nationalists Are a Bigger Threat to America Than ISIS In Iraq and Syria, U.S. Troops Say

From the same poll:
Military Times Poll: What you really think about Trump

Overall, about 44 percent of all troops surveyed in the Military Times poll have a favorable view of Trump, while roughly 40 percent have an unfavorable opinion of him.
Then, there's the opinion of the soldiers that are best educated, most dedicated and most knowledgeable about military matters:
Enlisted service members are much more enamored with the president than officers. Almost half of all enlisted troops who responded to the survey said they have a favorable view of Trump. Among officers, it was less than one in three.

More than 53 percent of officers said they had an unfavorable view of the president.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/two-dead- ... t-shooting


I'm sure the media will jump all over this. After all, more Americans were killed in this terror attract than on the silly liberal new York city bike path and we generally only count Americans.

A white man walked into a Walmart in Colorado yesterday and opened fire on customers. After killing three, he returned to his car and left.
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The Latest: Trump says NYC suspect should get death penalty

Dolt .45 does everything he can to taint the jury pool and thus make prosecution more difficult. He must be a terrorist sympathizer.
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Unread post by JTA » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:59 am

A while back, when Dylan Roof shot up that church, my family and I had a discussion.

"Why can't they just execute him? They know he did it? Why do they have to bother with the courts? Why couldn't the cops have just shot him in the back of the head right there?" They asked. They viewed Dylan Roof being entitled to a trial as evidence of corruption in our justice system!

Americans are totally cool with this kind of thing. They have no idea how the justice system works, and would totally be cool, if not over joyed, to put that kind of power in the hands of the police. Some Judge Dredd level stuff.
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Americans are totally cool with this kind of thing. They have no idea how the justice system works, and would totally be cool, if not over joyed, to put that kind of power in the hands of the police. Some Judge Dredd level stuff.
Back in the '80s and '90s we had a series of high-profile cases where someone was proven innocent after a decade or more of jail, having been railroaded by police. Railroaded because the police *knew* the guy was guilty.

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Back in the '80s and '90s we had a series of high-profile cases where someone was proven innocent after a decade or more of jail, having been railroaded by police. Railroaded because the police *knew* the guy was guilty.
You must be referring to Canada. It still happens all the time here.


Why the far right believes a US civil war will start on Saturday

:lol: Wingnut pansies.
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Unread post by O Really » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:15 pm

I'm not advocating immediate street execution, but it does seem to me there ought to be a difference in those who are caught after the fact and those who are caught in the act. Trump's unexcusable yapping about the NYC truck driver "should be executed" might be seen as affecting his ability to get a fair trial, but he still did what he did in front of a bunch of people and cameras and was caught exiting the truck he drove through the crowd. Hard to ignore that no matter what Trump says.

Having said that, I wonder if the driver would be dead if he had just had been a black guy with a simple traffic accident and got out of his truck looking like he had guns.

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Vrede too wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:39 pm
rstrong wrote:
Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:34 pm
Back in the '80s and '90s we had a series of high-profile cases where someone was proven innocent after a decade or more of jail, having been railroaded by police. Railroaded because the police *knew* the guy was guilty.
You must be referring to Canada. It still happens all the time here.


Why the far right believes a US civil war will start on Saturday

:lol: Wingnut pansies.

From the article

"Some websites are telling their readers that antifa groups are “planning to kill every single Trump voter, Conservative and gun owner” this weekend. Hundreds of Facebook posts show how seriously consumers of such media are taking the news, and comments like “One more threat against white people and I swear to God I’m going to take a goddamn car and run over every fucking one of them” are not unrepresentative of the response."
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