rstrong wrote:Seth Milner wrote:rstrong wrote:
Bush II's "Shock and Awe" campaign was an utter fiasco. Beyond that, Obama has stuck to Republican military policy. Grow up.
"Republican military policy", my ass. Grow up your self you dumb ass whiney pacifist.
Got an example of what Obama has changed? He stuck to the Republican game plan on both Iraq
and Afghanistan. Even the final
and complete withdrawal of ALL American forces from Iraq, was an agreement signed by Bush II.
Sure, with Libya Obama didn't launch a Republican-style decade-long occupation costing Americans trillions of dollars
and thousands of lives while creating an ISIS along the way.
And LOSING. While strutting around in a flight suit on an aircraft-carrier under a "Mission Accomplished" banner to make drooling inbreds like yourself swoon. But by the end of the Bush II era even Republicans wouldn't have stood for that again.
For both Libya
and Syria, Republicans made noises both for
and against involvement, settling on AGAINST involvement (dumb ass whiney pacifism as you call it) once they figured out that Obama was taking a FOR position.
"Exercise a no-fly zone this evening."
- Newt Gingrich, 3/7/11
"I would not have intervened."
- Newt Gingrich, 3/23/11
And then there's Bin Laden...
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we find him!"
- President Bush II, September 13, 2001
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- President Bush II, March 13, 2002
Bush II's crowd allowed Bin Laden to escape Tora Bora,
and spent the next six years torturing random people into telling them what they wanted to hear. Without success. Obama switched the effort to old-fashioned field intelligence,
and they got him.
"And poor Mitt Romney, trying to make hay out of this. Mitt Romney who is on record saying that he would not waste money going after bin Laden, on record saying he would not violate Pakistan's border to get bin Laden, this week said, 'Of course I would have gotten bin Laden.' Even his etch-a-sketch went, seriously?"
– Bill Maher
It wasn't just Romney. The "high" point of the 2012 Republican convention was a Republican actor ranting at pretend-Obama blaming HIM for invading Afghanistan! While the crowd of the Republican Party's best clapped
and barked like trained seals!
Republicans got their 'Murican Shock
and Awe fantasy under Bush II. Now even THEY recognized that it was a fiasco,
and they're STILL "dumb ass whiney pacifists" by your reckoning.
So tell us, Field Marshal Seth, what is this "soft handling of war tactics" that your side would have handled more strongly?
you
and Obama, not being a real mericans
and all, leaves you unable to realize the nuance of the lil bush war that is sorely lacking during the Obama phase.
where's the in your face torture, where are the babies burning to death with phosphorus, where is Obama strutting on a carrier deck, where is Obama loudly proclaiming this is another Crusade? this list of Obama misses could go on for pages.
bush knew that a war with alqueada wouldn't be much fun
and only barely profitable since there were so few of them, so he worked really hard 24-7 (as he explained, "this means 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week"),
and turned a few thousand Saudis playing war in the fucking nowhere desert of Afghanistan into millions of displaced people who witnesses the violent deaths of their mothers
and their children
and now have nothing to lose.
so seth is right, Obama has not done enough to further lil bush's war. I don't think Obama has really damaged the war beyond a trump repair, but the full scale WWIII bush was seeking has suffered a slowdown. But, don't worry it is still coming to a town near you.
My suggestion would be to make movies
and tv shows that show real merican heroes kicking down doors
and torturing these people until they see jesus. We could hold demonstrations where we desecrate their religion in front of their churches, we could kick them out of presidential rallies for being so wrong about god, we could burn their homes
and churches, wrap their doorknobs with bacon, humiliate their children in school
and in their neighborhoods. There is so much more we could each do to insure further radicalization
and we desperately need a news channel that can keep us outraged anytime one of them says, "praise god"
I believe seth would agree that enough of that could further radicalize the millions who
temporally reside in our merican HomeLand.
ALEC just announced through their texas mouthpiece that we are to have a Constitutional Convention to get god
and jesus back into our laws.
Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”
