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Vrede too wrote:
JTA wrote:I got it!

Harambe.

Hear me out on this...

Harambe was murdered on May 28, 2016. Prior to his martyrdom, memes, while still fairly popular, weren't quite as popular as before his death (god bless his soul). After Harambe was assassinated in his cell, gorilla memes EXPLODED, exposing memes to people previously quite unfamiliar. About a month later I began noticing a trend. Trump memes.... EVERYWHERE. This lead to increased popularity of Trump as Hillary could not compete on the meme front.

Could it be? Had Harambe not been murdered, Hillary Clinton would have been president elect.

QED.

BUT. Does this mean... dear god... Trump had Harambe murdered? Was that little boy that fell into that gorilla enclosure on that fateful day working for Trump? Jet fuel can't melt steal beams, folks. I rest my case.
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Okay, but what does it mean that he came back orange?
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JTA wrote:He is risen!
From bankruptcy?

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O Really on Feb. 7 wrote:
Vrede too wrote: Maybe if (Trump's) portrayed on SNL by a woman. I propose Caitlyn Jenner or "Mama" June Shannon. Other suggestions?
Caitlyn was, maybe still is, a Trumpette. Mama June is way too stupid. Oh, wait. OK, she can do it.
But if it's Rosie, and she keeps asking "Bannon", portrayed by someone like, say, Leslie Jones, "what do I do? what do I do now?..." I'd say it would push President*Trump pretty close to the edge.
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neoplacebo wrote:I predict Trump will not serve his entire term as POTUS.....he will either quit, be impeached, or be killed. This scenario will be due to one of two things; God's will, or something else.
Possibly impeached over the Emoluments Clause....

Of course, Republicans will control both the House and Senate. So in the case of any wrongdoing, an impeachment vote would require a few Republicans to have the balls to put the country ahead of Trump.
More than a few. Majority in the House to impeach, a two-thirds majority in the Senate for conviction. Plus, some Dems will reasonable suspect that Pence would only be worse....
The Conspiracy To Impeach Trump

In the cascade of Trumpish news, one story stands out. The withdrawal under fire by Labor Secretary nominee Andy Puzder is a canary in the coal mine. The indications are not good news for Trump. It’s not the lefty Dems who are taking aim, it’s traditional conservatives. With an agenda and the power to make him disappear.

There have been missteps aplenty: Flynn, Putin, the immigration exec order, junking the two-state solution, the Ivanka/Nordstrom’s hoohah, Bannon and the alt-right. It’s a target rich environment. As much as Trump wants to blame lefty politics, questions of competence and integrity keep flaring up, and Republicans are edging away from him....

Comes the Puzder debacle. He was a bad choice to lead a department committed to protecting workers rights. And there was a spate of personal and political vulnerabilities that kept growing. But his demise was caused by a strange set of conservative defections from the Trump coalition.

Breitbart hated his support for foreign workers. The National Review hated it even more and called for his defeat. A large bloc of traditional conservative Republicans (Thune-SD, Portman-Ohio, Tillis-NC, Isakson-Georgia, Scott-SC) were opposing him.

Now other mainstream conservatives are picking fights. John McCain is loudly opposing the confirmation of Rep. Mickey Mulvaney as Budget Director. Bob Corker wants an investigation into the Russian Connection. House right-wingers are piling on Flynn and pushing for repeal of Obamacare now.

It’s becoming a pattern. Some of it is the genuine fear of Trump as unbalanced. Some of it is the knowledge that Trump is an unreliable ally for the slash Social Security, Medicare and Obamacare, undo gay rights, no federal infrastructure Movement Conservatives. They were never comfortable with him, and his departure would cause no tears.

The organized Right wants a President Pence. He’s calmer, less vulnerable to political challenge, linked to corporate and Wall Street interests, a social reactionary and ideologically in tune with House Republican/Freedom Caucus colleagues.

The mechanics of the Pence ascendancy are unclear. There are two choices, resignation or impeachment. The preferred departure is a resignation spurred by scandal and setback, but rooted in Trump’s clear unhappiness with the day to day grind of being President. But if necessary, impeachment is not impossible. Keep an eye on the Russian investigations. If there are revelations reaching to Trump, things will proceed.

For Democrats, this is a mixed blessing at best. First, there are real legal questions as to whether bad conduct prior to becoming president constitutes an impeachable offense. That’s not a road anyone wants to go down.

Second, there’s every reason to believe that Pence will be worse than Trump on issues, and better than Trump in getting things done....

For Republicans, this kind of coup will enrage the Trump voter who swung the election. Without these folks Republicans can’t win again.

The message for both parties is clear: President Pence? Be careful what you wish for.

In the short run watch for more Republican Movement Conservatives lining up on Trump. Whether Trump can punch back against the Right is an open question. But he’s put his presidency into play by a series of missteps and idiocies, and the folks who want him impeached or resigned are starting to emerge. Something important this way comes.
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John McCain is loudly opposing the confirmation of Rep. Mickey Mulvaney as Budget Director.
The Concourse: I Don't Want To Hear Another Fucking Word About John McCain Unless He Dies Or Actually Does Something Useful For Once
A more accurate way of phrasing “(ambivalently, agonizingly) taking on the president” might be “not actually taking on the president.” McCain has supported every one of Trump’s nominees besides one: budget director Mick Mulvaney, who lost McCain’s support because he has supported defense budget cuts. McCain’s sole inviolable principle is that we must spend an unlimited amount of money on war with everyone forever.

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John McCain died sometime around 2006-07, and his body was partially re-animated using parts only from the right side. Notice the pics you see of him - always from the right. That's because the left and middle of his face and brain is missing. But even with that, he's still better than most of what passes for Republicans. Not that that's particularly good.

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Vrede too wrote:Page 68:
Vrede too wrote:
rstrong wrote:
neoplacebo wrote:I predict Trump will not serve his entire term as POTUS.....he will either quit, be impeached, or be killed. This scenario will be due to one of two things; God's will, or something else.
Possibly impeached over the Emoluments Clause....

Of course, Republicans will control both the House and Senate. So in the case of any wrongdoing, an impeachment vote would require a few Republicans to have the balls to put the country ahead of Trump.
More than a few. Majority in the House to impeach, a two-thirds majority in the Senate for conviction. Plus, some Dems will reasonable suspect that Pence would only be worse....
The Conspiracy To Impeach Trump

In the cascade of Trumpish news, one story stands out. The withdrawal under fire by Labor Secretary nominee Andy Puzder is a canary in the coal mine. The indications are not good news for Trump. It’s not the lefty Dems who are taking aim, it’s traditional conservatives. With an agenda and the power to make him disappear.

There have been missteps aplenty: Flynn, Putin, the immigration exec order, junking the two-state solution, the Ivanka/Nordstrom’s hoohah, Bannon and the alt-right. It’s a target rich environment. As much as Trump wants to blame lefty politics, questions of competence and integrity keep flaring up, and Republicans are edging away from him....

Comes the Puzder debacle. He was a bad choice to lead a department committed to protecting workers rights. And there was a spate of personal and political vulnerabilities that kept growing. But his demise was caused by a strange set of conservative defections from the Trump coalition.

Breitbart hated his support for foreign workers. The National Review hated it even more and called for his defeat. A large bloc of traditional conservative Republicans (Thune-SD, Portman-Ohio, Tillis-NC, Isakson-Georgia, Scott-SC) were opposing him.

Now other mainstream conservatives are picking fights. John McCain is loudly opposing the confirmation of Rep. Mickey Mulvaney as Budget Director. Bob Corker wants an investigation into the Russian Connection. House right-wingers are piling on Flynn and pushing for repeal of Obamacare now.

It’s becoming a pattern. Some of it is the genuine fear of Trump as unbalanced. Some of it is the knowledge that Trump is an unreliable ally for the slash Social Security, Medicare and Obamacare, undo gay rights, no federal infrastructure Movement Conservatives. They were never comfortable with him, and his departure would cause no tears.

The organized Right wants a President Pence. He’s calmer, less vulnerable to political challenge, linked to corporate and Wall Street interests, a social reactionary and ideologically in tune with House Republican/Freedom Caucus colleagues.

The mechanics of the Pence ascendancy are unclear. There are two choices, resignation or impeachment. The preferred departure is a resignation spurred by scandal and setback, but rooted in Trump’s clear unhappiness with the day to day grind of being President. But if necessary, impeachment is not impossible. Keep an eye on the Russian investigations. If there are revelations reaching to Trump, things will proceed.

For Democrats, this is a mixed blessing at best. First, there are real legal questions as to whether bad conduct prior to becoming president constitutes an impeachable offense. That’s not a road anyone wants to go down.

Second, there’s every reason to believe that Pence will be worse than Trump on issues, and better than Trump in getting things done....

For Republicans, this kind of coup will enrage the Trump voter who swung the election. Without these folks Republicans can’t win again.

The message for both parties is clear: President Pence? Be careful what you wish for.

In the short run watch for more Republican Movement Conservatives lining up on Trump. Whether Trump can punch back against the Right is an open question. But he’s put his presidency into play by a series of missteps and idiocies, and the folks who want him impeached or resigned are starting to emerge. Something important this way comes.

poor choices, but I would have to go with an orange confused petty peddler than pence and his notions.
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The Concourse: I Don't Want To Hear Another Fucking Word About John McCain Unless He Dies Or Actually Does Something Useful For Once
A more accurate way of phrasing “(ambivalently, agonizingly) taking on the president” might be “not actually taking on the president.” McCain has supported every one of Trump’s nominees besides one: budget director Mick Mulvaney,

He did not vote on Pruitt for EPA. I don't know why, may have even just been a "pairing" with absentee Donnelly (D-IN). I don't see anything on his website about it.

who lost McCain’s support because he has supported defense budget cuts. McCain’s sole inviolable principle is that we must spend an unlimited amount of money on war with everyone forever.

He sometimes condemns Pentagon waste and folly, albeit never calling for overall cuts.
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poor choices, but I would have to go with an orange confused petty peddler than pence and his notions.
If there was an impeachment move tomorrow, I don't know what I would encourage my Rep/Sens and Dems elsewhere to do.
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Vrede too on Dec 15, 2016 wrote:
... The Trump inauguration does have its national anthem singer confirmed: “America’s Got Talent” runner-up Jackie Evancho announced on “Today” Wednesday morning that she would be performing in January. The 16-year-old Evancho placed second on the 2010 edition of the reality show and has previously performed at the National Christmas Tree Lighting and National Prayer Breakfast (both Obama events)....
Meet Trump Inauguration Singer Jackie Evancho’s Transgender Sister, Juliet

:lol: Maybe she'll get to sit near Pence.
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In case folks are wondering, I sure didn't know all the details - In response to many requests for guidance from school districts, many of which have been successfully trans-supportive for a long time, Obama/Lynch's DoJ issued an interpretive opinion on Title IX's prohibition against sex discrimination, just as it does on lots of issues that have not yet been adjudicated. Trump has eliminated this advisory, but not Title IX. The courts will eventually decide.
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Vrede too wrote:. Trump has eliminated this advisory, but not Title IX. The courts will eventually decide.
And it may not make much if any difference in actual enforcement efforts by EEOC. Another example of turning up an unnecessary controversy without significant real effect. Of course, that's better than actually having real effect, but still.

Trump's Trans Bathroom Access U-Turn May Not Slow EEOC

Law360, New York (February 23, 2017, 10:42 PM EST) -- Although the Trump administration made waves in rescinding an Obama-era directive that transgender public school students be allowed to use the bathroom of their choice, experts say employers shouldn't assume the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission will take its foot off the enforcement throttle when it comes to transgender rights in the workplace.

On Wednesday, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos issued a joint letter withdrawing the Obama administration’s May guidance, which directed schools that receive federal funds to let students use the bathrooms that match their gender identity and declared that discrimination against transgender students is sex discrimination under Title IX of the education code.

In reversing course on the Obama administration policy, the Trump administration said the May guidance lacked extensive legal analysis and didn’t comport with the express language of Title IX, among other purported flaws.

Although it only applies to school settings, that position by the U.S. Department of Justice and the Department of Education stands at odds with the position the EEOC has advocated in recent years, that prohibitions in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 against workplace sex discrimination extend to sexual orientation and transgender status.

“The real question is what [will] the EEOC do and to what extent can the Trump administration impact the EEOC,” said Michelle Phillips, a member of Jackson Lewis PC’s diversity committee whose practice includes a special emphasis on LGBT issues. “The EEOC clearly takes the position that both gender identity and sexual orientation [are covered under Title VII]. The DOJ and DOE are limited to the Title IX context.”

Where will the EEOC land?

With one current vacancy and another spot due to open up later this year, President Donald Trump will have an opportunity to add two Republicans and create a Republican majority on the five-member commission in short order.

But Littler Mendelson PC shareholder Mark T. Phillis noted that the EEOC generally “hasn’t seen dramatic shifts” in priorities across different presidential administrations like those experienced by agencies such as the National Labor Relations Board.

Phillis cautioned, however, that it’s not yet clear if the EEOC will keep or change its interpretation of Title VII as inclusive of sexual orientation and gender identity going forward.

In her first public comments since being named acting chair of the EEOC, Victoria Lipnic said at a panel discussion sponsored earlier this month by Seyfarth Shaw LLP that the agency will remain committed to its central mission of enforcing anti-discrimination laws and that the enforcement priorities laid out in the EEOC’s recently issued strategic enforcement plan for 2017-2021 will largely remain the same.

The priorities outlined in that SEP included ensuring anti-discrimination protection for LGBT people.

Jay Holland, chair of Joseph Greenwald & Laake PA’s labor, employment and qui tam whistleblower practice, said that while Wednesday’s action by the Trump administration “is a very good indication” of the line the DOJ is likely to take with respect to interpreting Title VII’s language, the EEOC may not necessarily follow that agency’s lead since numerous district courts have recently agreed with its position, and at least one appeal courts may be poised to follow.

“The EEOC is not a cabinet-level [agency], and the hope from those that practice in the field is that it maintains its independence,” Holland said.

The Seventh Circuit last year reluctantly held that Title VII doesn’t protect workers from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, with the court spending much of its 42-page opinion emphasizing that legal precedent demanded the outcome.

The Seventh Circuit has since decided to rehear the case en banc, potentially setting itself up to become the first appellate court to find that Title VII bars sexual-orientation discrimination.

The Second Circuit is also currently considering whether to overturn a nearly two-decade old precedent of its own that says Title VII doesn’t protect against sexual-orientation bias, and numerous district courts have recently sided with the EEOC’s interpretation on the issue.

The Trump administration’s action Wednesday could result in a rolling back of DOE guidelines pertaining to sex-based discrimination under Title IX, however, Holland said that rolling back Title VII guidance “could be more difficult” given the court rulings.

“You have court decisions [finding] that the wording of Title VII at the very least includes sexual orientation,” Holland said. "Reversing guidance alone wouldn’t be enough to reverse [court] precedent."

Will the high court weigh in?

Outside of the executive branch, transgender rights issues are also set to take center stage before the U.S. Supreme Court, which is due to hear oral arguments on March 28 in a closely watched bias case under Title IX involving the school board of Gloucester County, Virginia, and Gavin Grimm, a transgender student in a fight with the school board over whether he can use the boys’ restroom, locker room and other facilities.

That case will tackle the question of whether the Fourth Circuit was right to defer to the DOE’s interpretation of the word “sex” when ruling that Title IX's prohibition on sex discrimination also covers gender identity. The justices can then choose whether to accept that interpretation, regardless of how they decided the first question.

The high court’s ability to issue a narrow ruling “is limited,” according to Jackson Lewis’ Phillips, who said the main issue before the court will be to look at Title IX generally and at how sex discrimination should be applied, but that the eight-justice court may have difficulty finding a majority to support the conclusion that sex orientation is protected under Title IX.

Littler Mendelson's Phillis, meanwhile, was more cautious, saying the high court could opt instead to not rule on the underlying Title IX issue and send the case back to district court.

What should employers do in the meantime?

With the issue of transgender rights — whether in schools or in the workplace — in a state of legal flux, attorneys say that employers would be best served to maintain the LGBT protections they already have in place to ensure they don’t run afoul of the EEOC or get hit with lawsuits from private plaintiffs.

Sara N. Huff, an Orlando-based employment attorney at Gunster Yoakley & Stewart PA, said employers first and foremost need to look at the geographic regions where they operate and assess whether any local laws and ordinances exist that include stringent protections for transgender individuals, noting that such laws can vary from place to place and that employers with operations in multiple states don’t want to have inconsistent policies.

“No matter the executive branch’s interpretation, the law is still the law until it is amended,” Huff said. “We are advising employers to treat transgender employees as if they are covered [under anti-discrimination statutes].”

Meanwhile, Phillis said that at least 19 states and various other cities currently have protections for gender expression, and Jackson Lewis’ Phillips said employers in areas that don’t have such protections must still [be wary of the EEOC] and take note of the EEOC’s position on Title VII.

“Many multi-state employers are applying policies across the board for the sake of consistency,” Phillis said. “The employer community would love to get some certainty on this issue.”

Holland also pointed out that under Title VII, aggrieved employees also have an individual right of action for workplace discrimination claims that make up the “vast majority of litigation” under the statute, and that “those cases will continue" even if a reconstituted EEOC under the Trump administration decides to stop aggressively pursuing transgender bias cases.

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Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”

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:lol:
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Idiots probably didn't recognize it because they think the Russian flag still has the hammer and sickle. :lol: Or as a demonstration that they're so blinded by everything Trump that they don't even notice anything around. Literally and figuratively.

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I confuse the Russian,

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Netherlands,

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flags all the time. No wonder there have been so many wars in Europe.
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I bought a dozen on amazon for the next local town hall with Matt gatz (sp)
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