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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/u ... &start=220

After reading go cubs and vrede's post on Sally yates it is likely that there will be many hereos over the next several years


Trump is such a dick


The orange "president declared in a statement that Sally Q. Yates, who had served as deputy attorney general under President Barack Obama, had betrayed the Department of Justice by announcing that Justice Department lawyers would not defend Mr. Trump’s order against legal challenges."
Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”

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"At present, I am not convinced that...the Executive Order is lawful.... The Department of Justice will not present arguments in defense of the Executive Order, unless and until I become convinced that it is appropriate to do so."
- acting attorney general Sally Yates in a memo on Monday

"[She] has betrayed the Department of Justice by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States."
- White House statement on her being fired that night

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Here's Jeff Sessions asking AG nominee Sally Yates in 2015 if she'd resist 'improper' Presidential orders

https://youtu.be/sXDt3WA07zc

Senator Sessions: "Do you think the U.S. Attorney General has a responsibility to say no to the president if he asks for something that is improper?"

Sally Yates: "I believe they have an obligation to follow the law and the Constitution,”

She did, and was fired for it by Trump yesterday. The Senate Judiciary Committee plans to vote on his nomination today to replace Yates.

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Thanks, rstrong, already shared.
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billy.pilgrim wrote:https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/u ... &start=220

After reading go cubs and vrede's post on Sally yates it is likely that there will be many hereos over the next several years


Trump is such a dick


The orange "president declared in a statement that Sally Q. Yates, who had served as deputy attorney general under President Barack Obama, had betrayed the Department of Justice by announcing that Justice Department lawyers would not defend Mr. Trump’s order against legal challenges."
"the president declared in a statement that Sally Q. Yates, who had served as deputy attorney general under President Barack Obama, had betrayed the administration . . . ."
[emphasis mine] Gonna flirt with Godwin for a mo, and remind all that the SS swore allegiance, not to greater Germany, but to Adolph Hitler, personally.
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Sometimes, Godwin is right. The only question is whether our people and institutions are strong enough to effectively resist. It's not like the German people were unsophisticated or inherently despicable.
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Vrede too wrote:Sometimes, Godwin is right. The only question is whether our people and institutions are strong enough to effectively resist. It's not like the German people were unsophisticated or inherently despicable.
But I wonder how many of them were as downright belligerent & dim-witted as the majority of trumpholes here.
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Idk, it's possible that one could make the case that we're worse than the early-Hitler Germans were. Otoh, I don't think they had the outpouring of solidarity with Jews that we've shown with women and Muslims over the past 10 days.
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Diplomats defy White House warning, criticize travel ban

Hundreds of American diplomats defied a White House warning on Tuesday, sending a memo to the State Department's leadership that criticizes President Donald Trump's temporary travel ban on citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries. It is believed to be one of the most popularly supported statements of dissent in the department's history.

A State Department official said the cable was received just a day after White House spokesman Sean Spicer suggested those disagreeing with Trump's new policy should resign. The official did not have an exact number of signatories, but said more than 800 indicated they would sign after drafts of the cable circulated over the weekend....

"A policy which closes our doors to over 200 million legitimate travelers in the hopes of preventing a small number of travelers who intend to harm Americans from using the visa system to enter the United States will not achieve its aim of making our country safer," the diplomats wrote in the so-called "dissent cable."

"This ban stands in opposition to the core American and constitutional values that we, as federal employees, took an oath to uphold," a draft of the cable said....

In response to reports of the cable Monday, Spicer said of the diplomats: "They should either get with the program or they can go." ...
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