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Trump praises Australian universal health care system at meeting with prime minister

President Donald Trump had kind words for the Australian health care system at a meeting with that country's prime minister Thursday, just hours after Republican members of Congress succeeded in passing their efforts to roll back the Affordable Care Act.

“We have a failing health care -- I shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia because you have better health care than we do," said Trump.
:-0?> Even a broken clock . . .
The remarks were quickly seized upon by progressive critics of the president, including Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, who have long advocated for a government-run universal health care option, similar to Australia's Medicare system.

"The president has just said it. That's great. Let's take a look at the Australian health care system, and let's move," said Sanders shortly afterward in an interview on MSNBC. "Maybe he wants to take a look at the Canadian health care system or systems throughout Europe. Thank you, Mr. President. Let us move to a Medicare-for-all system that does what every other major country does." ...
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Let's play a game. Everyone write down how they think people will spin Trump's apparent praise of Australia's healthcare system.

What Trump Said: Australia has a better healthcare system than us.
What it means (what he meant in his heart): The ACA (Obamacare) is so terrible, that even the socialist death panel healthcare system of Australia is better than what we currently have.
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My opinion - Trump doesn't understand enough about healthcare (among so many other things) to know whether the ACA is bad or good. Rather, he was so desperate to get in a dig at Obama, who he knows deep down is his superior in every way (as most people are), that he stupidly managed to attack the GOP, the insurance industry and his own actions in the process. His statement gives Bernie and others an opportunity to score some points, but otherwise it won't mean anything. It's not like Trump can be held to anything else he's said, and he's the last spokesperson single payer will ever benefit from.
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There isn't, and never has been, any reason to "repeal" the ACA, other than because Obama, although clearly there has always been room for improvements. But Republicans were able to turn their neanderthal faction (90% of their membership) against "Obamacare" by churning up lies like "death panels" and "damgummint run healthcare" and "socialist" and yadacrap. But now that there are a lot of reasonably satisfied users, more covered, no death panels and the Republicans are clearly taking away parts that people like, I think they'll have the same problem in 2018 as the Dems in 2010 except that no exaggerated lies about their product will be necessary. They own a pile of shit and unless the Senate saves their bacon with either (a) doing nothing; or (b) crafting a plan that really does fix only the things needing fixing (as if), then they'll just have to keep wearing it.

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They rushed it through before getting the CBO report on it, which will probably come out Monday. How's that for "fiscal responsibility"?
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The non-partisan CBO is run by Obamanista socialists who are "very unfair" to Trump.

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In case anyone thinks you're joking, DonTcare version 1:
The petition to the Senate reads:

“Block and resist Trumpcare and any other legislation that guts Medicare and Medicaid, defunds Planned Parenthood or takes health care away from sick people.”
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JTA wrote:
Vrede too wrote:
Trump praises Australian universal health care system at meeting with prime minister

President Donald Trump had kind words for the Australian health care system at a meeting with that country's prime minister Thursday, just hours after Republican members of Congress succeeded in passing their efforts to roll back the Affordable Care Act.

“We have a failing health care -- I shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia because you have better health care than we do," said Trump.
:-0?> Even a broken clock . . .
The remarks were quickly seized upon by progressive critics of the president, including Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, who have long advocated for a government-run universal health care option, similar to Australia's Medicare system.

"The president has just said it. That's great. Let's take a look at the Australian health care system, and let's move," said Sanders shortly afterward in an interview on MSNBC. "Maybe he wants to take a look at the Canadian health care system or systems throughout Europe. Thank you, Mr. President. Let us move to a Medicare-for-all system that does what every other major country does." ...
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Twitter has some thoughts about the Republican Obamacare replacement
Let's play a game. Everyone write down how they think people will spin Trump's apparent praise of Australia's healthcare system.

What Trump Said: Australia has a better healthcare system than us.
What it means (what he meant in his heart): The ACA (Obamacare) is so terrible, that even the socialist death panel healthcare system of Australia is better than what we currently have.
My guess. Trump will admit that he screwed up and is a complete dick.

He may use different word combinations, but we have been instructed not to listen to his words, so no matter what words he uses my take is that he is admitting that he is a screw up and a dick.
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billy.pilgrim wrote: . . . so no matter what words he uses my take is that he is admitting that he is a screw up and a dick.
Agreed. It's not his intent to make such an admission, and the words will not come within a country mile of it, either. But he is, in fact, making just such an admission. Of course, 95% of what he says is pretty much a tacit admission that he is an epic moron and world class asshole . . . .
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Or, you vote in a single-payer system like Canada's.

This gives the elderly an extraordinary amount of power - and not just because people won't stand for their parents not getting proper health care. Simply put, **old people VOTE, far more than younger adults.** Like in the US, when you hear about a 55% voter turn-out, you can be certain that senior citizens were greatly over-represented. (Voter turnout among those in their 20s in the last US mid-term election stood at 21 percent.)

Health care is run by the provinces, and it's a major issue in any provincial election. Any government that lets health care lapse is quickly thrown out. Here in Manitoba the last government was elected - and the previous government tossed - almost entirely on the "hallway medicine" issue.

Taxes? Canadians pay less taxes per capita for health care than Americans. The difference is that we then GET that health care, without having to pay a second time out of pocket.

There is of course a disclaimer to that: We consider basic and emergency healthcare to be a right, and we're good at delivering it quickly. But the further away from an emergency your condition is - sleep apnea for example - the more likely you are to encounter either fees (mostly dental) or a long waiting list. So we often pay for additional insurance - FAR cheaper than US insurance because of what the public system covers - through our employers. This covers those fees, or in the case of a waiting list, skipping it and going to a private clinic.

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Speaking of Canadian healthcare - Lady O and I will be pretend-Canadians in Nova Scotia for about 5 months next year. Do you have suggestions on a temp insurance provider?

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Getting single payer for the elderly, which I'm sure sounded like a fantastic idea in 1965, probably contributed to our not already having it for all. The largest potentially enthusiastic interest group and their families were removed from caring about it.
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O Really wrote:Speaking of Canadian healthcare - Lady O and I will be pretend-Canadians in Nova Scotia for about 5 months next year. Do you have suggestions on a temp insurance provider?
Not really. I've only ever had it through work, and the company switches providers about every five years to get a better deal. I've never noticed any difference between them.

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NC senator says "I'm fine" after race collapse

It's very hard to mistake something else for "what appeared to be cardiac pulmonary resuscitation". Is Tillis lying or did the observer screw up?

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Should have done what I do; drive to Starbucks for a coffee and cigarette
wouldn't it be ironic if it was a preexisting condition?
I almost spit my coffee out.
He didn't know exercise was bad for him.
I hope this man is smart enough to go to a hospital and get treatment rather than go to church and ask for prayers
to live is to die. im sure he will be back at work oppressing NC in no time at all.
It's so nice that people are wishing him well, while at the same time he could careless about your heath or coverage.
According to Trump his battery ran out
hope your health care is great. what happen to you , happens to thousands of people with out health care. senator i dont give a dam about you or your health.problems now.
I don't wish him harm, but at the same time this is the guy that likes the AHCA the way it is. Fortunately for him, he's rich so he doesn't have to worry about medical bills in the future while his constituents will.
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JTA, my MD loves your "DonTcare", said, "That's explains a lot, doesn't it?"
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CBO report, DonTcare =

23 million people lose their health coverage.
$663 billion in tax breaks mostly to millionaires, billionaires and big healthcare corporations.
Each of the nation’s 400 richest families would get a $7 million tax break—every year.
Insurance companies would get a $145 billion tax cut.
Prescription drug companies—a $25 billion tax break.
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Tell Congress to pass the "Improving Access to Affordable Prescription Drugs Act" to lower drug prices and rein in abuses by pharmaceutical corporations.


CBO: Republican health care bill raises premiums for older, poor Americans by as much as 850%
The American Health Care Act would make a low-income 64-year-old in the individual market pay more than half his income for health insurance.

GOP lawmaker chokes back tears after finding out the impact of the health care bill he helped write
That’s what happens when you believe your party’s own lies.


Weeks after House Republicans advanced the American Health Care Act (AHCA), the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) finally issued its scoring of the bill and found exactly what most experts had already projected: higher costs and less coverage, particularly for those who need health care the most, like those with pre-existing conditions.

But this information apparently shocked and upset House Freedom Caucus Chair Mark Meadows (R-NC), who pushed for the bill’s passage.

According to the Independent Journal Review, when Meadows first greeted reporters after the CBO report came out, he was optimistic about its findings. But then, reporters started asking him more about the report’s actual findings — specifically that, thanks to the state waivers he championed, people with pre-existing conditions could be charged higher premiums and even priced out of the insurance market altogether.

Meadows was caught off guard, responding, “Well, that’s not what I read” and putting on his reading glasses to reexamine the relevant paragraph. He suggested to reporters that he’d be willing revisit the question of how much funding to allocate for high-risk pools.

Suddenly, as the Independent Journal Review reports, he was choking back tears: ...

It’s unclear if, like several other lawmakers who voted for the AHCA, Meadows simply didn’t read the bill, or if he just refused to believe what most independent analysts concluded.

But if House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) hadn’t rushed a vote on the legislation before waiting for the CBO score, Meadows could have wept for those most in need before he gave the AHCA his stamp of approval.
Meadows is my Rep. :roll:
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Crocodile tears. Asshole. :evil:

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Meadows can suck it.

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