bannination wrote:If I remember right, it was mostly due to you and a few other wingnuts that were most definitely homophobic and couldn't handle not being able to ban people with whom they disagree and have since left to a forum that supports free speech as much as China.
While they were entertaining, at least the average IQ went up when they left.
It was also the prelude to the bigots' nearly complete defeat in almost every sector of society. Thanks to everyone and especially banni for helping to document the last 4 1/2 years.
bannination [color=#BF0000]on Nov 26, 2012[/color] wrote:Gay Women Will Marry Your Boyfriends
It's worth a chuckle! I want a lesbian to play video games with!
Use caution if kids are around... words like dick may be present.
"200 pages! Lots of good discussion about rights, but we never would have gotten here without those that obsess about gay sex, nttawwt."
"I've always wondered about Banni's starting this thread. Strange thread indeed."
"If I remember right, it was mostly due to you and a few other wingnuts...." You've a very poor memory then. I went back and looked; YOU started this circus of your obsession in November 2012; I made my first post 23 pages and seven months later in June 2013. Homerfobe was the most frequent outspoken poster that ripped you guys at every opportunity.
"While they were entertaining, at least the average IQ went up when they left." Again, Homerfobe was the one who spoke most frequently against the subject of the thread. While Leo Lyons and Doohickey, who are now both departed, threw in their opposing two-cents worth, a larger number of the supporters of the thread's subject have departed as well.
You're correct, the average IQ's left; the higher IQ's, from both sides, stuck around.
23 pages, plus more to find a next post, is an awful lot to scroll through to make an entirely insignificant point given his subsequent enthusiastic posting. On page 23 I found Mr.B's pic of a naked woman about his age and this:
bannination wrote:Then and now....
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Vrede wrote: "23 pages, plus more to find a next post, is an awful lot to scroll through to make an entirely insignificant point given his subsequent enthusiastic posting."
You're so obsessed with gay sex it's very obvious now who's the most enthusiastic on the subject, ain't it? nttawwt
For general interest...
Executive Summary: As these authors have previously reported, several cases analyzing whether sexual orientation is protected by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 have been winding their way through the courts. The Eleventh Circuit, in Evans v. Georgia Regional Hospital, and the Second Circuit, in Christiansen v. Omnicom Group, Inc., have now ruled on the cases before them. But they offer little more clarity on the subject. While both held that they are bound by prior precedent that Title VII does not prohibit sexual orientation discrimination, the dissenting opinion in Evans, and the concurring opinion in Christiansen, suggest that it should.
Background
Title VII prohibits discrimination “because of sex.” Historically, both the courts and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) refused to recognize sexual orientation as a protected class under Title VII. This changed in July 2015, when, in Baldwin v. Foxx, the EEOC took the position that “sexual orientation is inherently a ‘sex-based consideration’” under Title VII, and that “exual orientation discrimination is sex discrimination because it necessarily entails treating an employee less favorable because of the employee’s sex.” This sparked an onslaught of court litigation, with the plaintiff’s bar and EEOC arguing that sexual orientation discrimination should be a cognizable claim under Title VII. FordHarrison has been following these cases closely as they make their way through the courts.
Current Developments
The Second and Eleventh Circuits have now weighed in, but the decisions provide little help in clarifying the issue. Like the Seventh Circuit’s panel decision in Hively v. Ivy Tech Community College (which has now been heard en banc), the courts held that they were bound by prior precedent. Their dissenting and concurring opinions, however, offer a glimmer into why this perhaps is changing.
In Evans v. Georgia Regional Hospital, Evans claimed that she was constructively discharged because of her homosexuality and male presentation. The claim was dismissed by the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Georgia, holding that Title VII does not prohibit sexual orientation discrimination. On March 10, 2017, in a brief opinion, the Eleventh Circuit affirmed. It held that it was constrained by the binding precedent of Blum v. Gulf Oil Corp., which held in 1979 that sexual orientation is not protected by Title VII. The Evans court rejected the argument that the U.S. Supreme Court decisions in Price Waterhouse v. Cooper (recognizing a Title VII cause of action for gender stereotyping) and Oncale v. Sundowner Offshore Servs., Inc. (recognizing a Title VII cause of action for same-sex harassment) provided a basis to overrule Blum. However, Evans was allowed to amend her complaint to re-plead her discrimination claim based on gender stereotyping.
Judge Pryor, concurring, opined that a person who experiences discrimination because of sexual orientation does not necessarily experience discrimination for gender nonconformity. Thus, in his opinion, Evans’s and the EEOC’s argument that Price Waterhouse provides a basis to overrule Blum is nonsensical. In contrast, however, Judge Rosenbaum, dissenting in part, picked apart Judge Pryor’s concurrence, concluding that based on the holding in Price Waterhouse, recognizing sexual orientation discrimination as prohibited by Title VII is not precluded by the court’s earlier Blum opinion because discrimination based on gender nonconformity cannot be separated from discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Evans has petitioned for rehearing en banc.
Just 17 days later, on March 27, 2017, the Second Circuit decided Christiansen v. Omnicom. The U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York had previously dismissed Christiansen’s sexual orientation claim, relying on its prior precedent in Simonton v. Runyon and Dawson v. Bumble & Bumble, which, like Blum, held that Title VII does not prohibit sexual orientation discrimination. Similar to Evans and the Hively panel, the Second Circuit majority held (per curiam) that it was bound by this precedent, and lacked the power to reconsider it because the court was not sitting en banc. For the same reasons in Evans, the court remanded Christiansen’s gender stereotyping case.
A concurring opinion was also filed in Christiansen. Judges Katzmann and Brodie agreed with the Evans dissent that Price Waterhouse provides a basis for recognizing a claim for sexual orientation discrimination under Title VII because sexual orientation and gender stereotyping are intertwined with each other. They also provided two other reasons cases like Blum, Simonton and Dawson should be overturned: sexual orientation discrimination is “because of sex”; and sexual orientation discrimination is “because of the sex” of the person’s associates.
As to the first, relying primarily on Baldwin, Judges Katzmann and Brodie opined that “sexual orientation discrimination is sex discrimination for the simple reason that such discrimination treats otherwise similarly-situated people differently solely because of their sex.” They equated the situation to that in Loving v. Virginia, in which the U.S. Supreme Court held that a state law banning interracial marriages was per se race discrimination in violation of the Equal Protection Clause. Second, the judges relied on the theory set out by the Second Circuit in Holcomb v. Iona College that discrimination because one associates with a person of another race is racial discrimination prohibited by Title VII. Citing to Obergefell v. Hodges (legalizing same-sex marriage) and United States v. Windsor (holding that the Defense of Marriage Act violated the Equal Protection Clause), the concurrence reasoned that “if it is race discrimination to discriminate against interracial couples, it is sex discrimination to discriminate against same-sex couples” which “would encompass discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.”
Thus, the Evans and Christiansen opinions are largely consistent with each other. The courts are bound by prior precedent holding that sexual orientation discrimination is not protected by Title VII until an en banc panel or the U.S. Supreme Court decides otherwise. However, both highlighted the difficulty – what the Hively panel referred to as a “paradoxical legal landscape” – created by the “blurry,” and at times “indiscernible” line between gender stereotyping claims (which are recognized) and those based on sexual orientation (which are not). Moreover, in both cases some judges took the opportunity to provide their opinion that in light of social, political and legal change, such precedent should be overturned and encouraged, perhaps, certification to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Gloucester City School Board v. G.G.
Update
On March 6, 2017, further delaying an opinion by the U.S. Supreme Court on the issue of whether the term “because of sex” in Title IX (and, by association, Title VII) includes gender identity and sexual orientation, the Supreme Court dismissed the appeal in Gloucester County School Board v. G.G. In that case, a high school student challenged his school’s requirement that students use the restroom that corresponds to their biological sex rather than their gender identity, and argued that such a requirement violates Title IX. In holding that it does, the Fourth Circuit relied heavily on Obama-era guidance that gender identity discrimination is inherently discrimination “because of…sex.” However, on February 22, 2017, just a month before the Supreme Court was set to hear oral argument, the Trump Administration rescinded that guidance. While all parties urged the Supreme Court to hear oral argument despite the change in guidance, the Court did not agree. In a one-sentence order, the Supreme Court dismissed the appeal and remanded it to the Fourth Circuit for further consideration.
The next chance for appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court will likely come with the Seventh Circuit’s en banc decision in Hively. As reported in previous Legal Alerts by these Authors, including that on December 12, 2016, based on the tone and content of the court’s questions at oral argument, it appears likely that the Seventh Circuit may conclude that the definition of sex in Title VII does include sexual orientation. We expect to see the Seventh Circuit’s ruling soon.
Employers’ Bottom Line: Even with the continued ambiguity in the law, employers should remain aware of local and state laws in the locations where they operate. Many state and local governments already provide protection for applicants and employees from discrimination based on sexual orientation and/or gender identity. Thus, employers with multi-state operations may be bound by state LGBTQ anti-discrimination laws in some locales but not in others. Irrespective of federal, state and local protections, it remains good practice to provide internal policies and procedures prohibiting LGBTQ discrimination and providing a complaint and investigation procedure when such discrimination is alleged to have occurred.
Furthermore, federal contractors subject to EO 11246 should note that it remains in effect. On January 31, 2017, President Trump issued a press release assuring that his administration will continue to enforce Executive Order 13672, which augments EO 11246 to protect applicants and employees from anti-LGBTQ workplace discrimination while applying to work for or working for covered federal contractors. This includes providing equal bathroom access to applicants and employees based on gender identity.
We will continue to provide updates as the status of Title VII and Title IX LGBTQ rights continues to evolve.
Whatever happens in the courts, it's clear that society is moving away from hateful obsession with LGBTQ sex and towards tolerance and equal rights. So, just a matter of time and how many people are spitefully hurt getting there.
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Yeah, I meant that the law will get there, and that few or no steps forward will be reversed. I'm not sanguine about it, though, there's still plenty of nastiness yet to come.
A clown with a flamethrower still has a flamethrower.
-- Charlie Sykes on MSNBC
1312. ETTD.
Just out...Landmark in Seventh Circuit (IL, IN, WI)
In a landmark opinion issued Tuesday, the Seventh Circuit became the first federal appellate court in the country to extend the protections afforded by the Civil Rights Act to discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
Winning a battle don't win the war. These goddam nasty sons of bitches will start dropping like blow flies one day from some filth induced disease they picked up from sucking on some unwashed asshole. Freaks of nature will be a thing of the past; watch out tu-tu man, your day is coming. The rest of you faghuggers better warn your kids, brothers and sisters, shoot your dogs, or whatever.
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homerfobe wrote:Winning a battle don't win the war. These goddam nasty sons of bitches will start dropping like blow flies one day from some filth induced disease they picked up from sucking on some unwashed asshole. Freaks of nature will be a thing of the past; watch out tu-tu man, your day is coming. The rest of you faghuggers better warn your kids, brothers and sisters, shoot your dogs, or whatever.
Is that what you guys do? How long have you been gay? Is that advanced level sex or is that just like first base type stuff?
:gayhappy: