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Vrede too wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:04 pm
O Really wrote:
Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:59 pm
Predictably, the NRA's mothpieces are saying "now is an inappropriate time to talk about gun control." That's fine, if they'll also tell us when it is appropriate and when they'll be ready to discuss it. :roll:
Trevor Noah Calls Out Fox News’ Las Vegas Hypocrisy: You Had No Problem ‘Politicizing’ Orlando
Or those Saudi religious morons who flew plans into buildings.


That's what happens when reality forces our attention to something - we take action and those events that we can't or shouldn't handle alone we deal with through our government (politicize).
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Their calls for shunning discussion of causes and possible solutions are like saying that science and medicine should not talk about epidemics until after they've run their natural course.
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Their calls for shunning discussion of causes and possible solutions are like saying that science and medicine should not talk about epidemics until after they've run their natural course.

Bingo. They make no sense.
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One mass shooting every day: Seven facts about gun violence in America

... 1. The Las Vegas mass shooting wasn't the only mass shooting in America on Sunday

... Some 13,000 miles away in Lawrence, just outside the University of Kansas in Kansas, two men and a woman were killed and a further two people injured in a mass shooting incident....

Mass shootings in America - defined as an event where at least four people are shot - are now an every day event....

2. One major mass shooting every two months

... Some 346 people are estimated to have been killed in American mass shootings this year. This compared to 432 in 2016, and 369 in 2015 - more than one person for every day of the year.

When it comes to major mass shootings (where more than four people are killed), there have been an average of just 72 days between events during the period of 2010 to 2017.

This is a far more frequent rate when compared to the average gap of 162 days from 2000 to 2010, according to data compiled by Mother Jones.

The two worst mass shooting events - this week's Las Vegas shooting and the Pulse nightclub atrocity in Orlando - have occurred in the last two years....

3. Firearms sales go up after mass shootings

4. 270m guns for 320m people


In 2007, the Small Arms Survey estimated that there were between 250m and 290m civilian-owned firearms in the US - a rate of around 90 per 100 people.

This was the highest rate of civilian guns for any of the 178 countries that were surveyed and was ahead of Yemen (55 guns per 100 civilians) in second place by quite some distance.

Higher rates of gun ownership correlate strongly with occurrences of mass shootings with the US emerging at the top of tree when it came to mass shootings per head in a study by Jaclyn Schildkraut of the State University of New York.

Countries with more guns have more mass shootings

5. Mass shootings are just the tip of the iceberg

Between 2001 and 2013, 406,496 people died as a result of gun violence in America according to the Centre for Disease Control and Prevention.

Of this number the majority - 237,052 - were actually suicides as opposed to homicides.

Homicides accounted for 153,144 deaths over this period while the rest comprised 8,383 accidental deaths, 4,778 deaths from police shootings and 3,200 where the cause couldn't be determined....

6. Texas is often at the frontline of mass shootings

7. Americans can't agree on gun control
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A fire alarm from gun smoke led police to the Las Vegas shooter's room, retired officer says

... The SWAT team used the alarm triggered by the smoke to zero in on Paddock's position in about 20 minutes — not nearly enough time for a floor-by-floor search of the hotel, which has 3,309 rooms and a 135,000-square-foot casino....
20 minutes is still a long time, I thought that I'd heard less.
Or:

Security guard who found Vegas gunman was alone and unarmed: 'I was just doing my job'

Or, there's another report about a veteran on the 29th floor directing SWAT to the right locale. I'm not joining in the conspiracy theorizing a bit, but there are some confusing things about the timeline that will eventually be sorted out.
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Thoughts and Prayers and N.R.A. funding

... Below are the top 10 career recipients of N.R.A. funding – through donations or spending to benefit the candidate – among both current House and Senate members, along with their statements about the Las Vegas massacre. These representatives have a lot to say about it. All the while, they refuse to do anything to avoid the next massacre....

1.John McCain, Ariz.
“Cindy & I are praying for the victims of the terrible #LasVegasShooting & their families.”
$7,740,521 from the N.R.A.

2. Richard Burr, N.C.
“My heart is with the people of Las Vegas and their first responders today. This morning’s tragic violence has absolutely no place here in America.”
$6,986,620 from the N.R.A.

4. Thom Tillis, N.C.
“Susan and I send our deepest condolences and prayers to the families of the victims of this horrific and senseless tragedy in Las Vegas.”
$4,418,012 from the N.R.A.

6. Marco Rubio, Fla.
“I’m praying for all the victims, their families, and our first responders in the #LasVegas #MandalayBay shooting.”
$3,303,355 from the N.R.A.

All of these representatives are Republican. The highest ranked Democrat in the House is Sanford Bishop, who ranks 41st in career donations from the N.R.A. Among the top 100 House recipients, 95 are Republican. In the Senate, the top two Democrats are Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Patrick Leahy of Vermont, who rank 52nd and 53rd — behind every Republican but Dan Sullivan of Alaska.

Note: John McCain received the bulk of his donations as the 2008 Republican presidential nominee.
Absent that, would Burr, Tillis and Rubio be #s 1, 3 and 5?
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And Marco is a baby politician
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Vrede too wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:01 pm
A fire alarm from gun smoke led police to the Las Vegas shooter's room, retired officer says

... The SWAT team used the alarm triggered by the smoke to zero in on Paddock's position in about 20 minutes — not nearly enough time for a floor-by-floor search of the hotel, which has 3,309 rooms and a 135,000-square-foot casino....
20 minutes is still a long time, I thought that I'd heard less.

Oops, all bullshit. Seems the cops knew where he was before he started shooting into the crowd.

All kneel and offer praise to the bravery the cops showed while protecting innocent victims - trump did.
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Yeah, the timeline is all sorts of hinky with even MGM now taking the extraordinary step of publicly disputing the cops. If the LVPD is anything like my experience as a "guest" of the Clark County SO, I'm not surprised.
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Yeah, the timeline is all sorts of hinky with even MGM now taking the extraordinary step of publicly disputing the cops. If the LVPD is anything like my experience as a "guest" of the Clark County SO, I'm not surprised.

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Demand Congress Oppose Anti-wildlife Sportsmen's Bill

Anti-wildlife politicians in Congress are eager to pass H.R. 3668, the deceptively named "Sportsmen's Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act" or "SHARE Act." The bill contains giveaways to the NRA, including repealing regulations on silencers and armor-piercing bullets, as well as provisions that would harm wildlife, the environment and public safety.

Even after the horrific events in Las Vegas, House Republicans have only temporarily "shelved" this bill. It could come back later this year or next when the Vegas shooting is out of the headlines.

Using the form on this page, tell your representative that this bill should be permanently withdrawn and insist that they stand against any future attempts to pass any of its dangerous measures.

The SHARE Act would prematurely strip protection from wolves in Wyoming and the Great Lakes region and allow the slaughter of denning bears and wolves in Alaska national parks. It would promote polar bear trophy hunting. And it would eliminate the ability of the EPA and Interior Department to get toxic lead out of ammunition and fishing tackle.

Let your representative know you won't stand for this abomination — and personalize your message for greater impact.
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Georgia Gubernatorial Candidate Launches Bump Stock Giveaway to Protest Gun Control
A Georgia gubernatorial candidate has launched an impressively tone-deaf campaign to protest gun control. His allegedly subversive idea? Hosting a giveaway of bump stocks, the accessory used to murder 58 people in Las Vegas two weeks ago.

In a tweet on Monday night, current state senator Michael Williams said he was holding the giveaway as a show of support for defenders of the Second Amendment.
Senator Michael Williams is "a bad guy with a gun."

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rstrong wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:57 pm
Senator Michael Williams is "a bad guy with a gun."
More:
GOP candidate for Georgia governor holds bump stock giveaway

... Williams pointed to mental health as the key issue politicians should focus on to reduce gun violence.

"You cannot regulate evil out of existence. Blaming guns or bump stocks for the actions of a lunatic, is the same as blaming McDonald’s for heart disease,” he said....
Yes, it is pretty much the same thing. So? If we're going to be more assertive in addressing "mental health", a good place to start would be with an ammosexual pol that runs a giveaway for a device just used to carry out our worst mass shooting ever. Speaking of "mental health":
Tucker Carlson: Actually, Bump Stocks on Guns Save Live

Most people would likely agree that the “bump stock” device used by the Las Vegas shooter to modify his semi-automatic weapon into a de facto automatic one is one of the reasons he was able to kill so many people with so many bullets in such a short period of time. But Fox News host Tucker Carlson isn’t one of them.

On Thursday night, Carlson insisted that the assault rifle-add on which helped Stephen Paddock murder at least 58 people, and send more than 500 to the hospital was a very GOOD thing, because it, uh...saved lives?

“Many more would’ve died actually [if Paddock hadn’t used a bump stock],” Carlson insisted to gun control activist Avery Gardiner. “Because if you talk to people who know a lot about guns they say pros don’t even fire on fully automatic because they can’t hit anything.”

Huh, that must be why literally every military on earth just hates automatic weapons, right? Let’s remember that even the NRA is distancing itself from bump stocks. So Tucker Carlson has found a position to the right of the NRA.

“I’m not defending bump stocks,” Carlson later added. (He totally was.) “I’m just saying, let’s be real.”

Yeah, let’s be real people! One of the worst mass shootings in modern American history wasn’t all that bad, because the very device that made it so bad is actually extremely good.

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They don't come much dumber than tucker after discounting the curvey couch crew
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Las Vegas security guard breaks silence on 'Ellen' after disappearance

LOL, Jesus ditches Faux Noise for Ellen, perfect.
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To: info@Pack584Broomfield.org, tomzieglerflyfishing@gmail.com, joedenfeld@comcast.net, recruiting@troop766.org, jimmy.dickson@scouting.org, elisa.corry@scouting.org
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Re: Cub Scout kicked out after asking lawmaker about gun control
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/mom-cub-sc ... itics.html

Congratulations, Pack 584, Pack 545 or Pack 766 has managed to nationally shame Scouting, Colorado, Broomfield and even gun owners by punishing an informed and intelligent child for merely exercising his 1st Amendment rights to free speech and petitioning government by asking a very topical question of an elected official.

You can be better than this.

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I have been out of the Scouting scene for a little over two years now, but still receive correspondence regarding Troop 766 as I assisted these fine folks in starting the unit. I agree with the Scoutmaster that your message seems to be coming from a place of ignorance regarding the facts of the incident. Americans are under assault, and have been for many decades, by a corrupt and one-sided news media. To top it off, we have social media savvy parents that have no problem, and dare I say, seem to delight in using children to further their own childish wants and or needs regarding politics! To be clear, the Scouting movement does not include "politics" anywhere in it's program. Cub Scouting is a game with a purpose. The Yahoo article that you cited, concluded that the young man seemed to be reading a prepared script and the parent of the child admitted that she "helped" her son. Now whether or not this young man is "gifted" is irrelevant, the intent of those words seemed crystal clear ... make a national fuss whatever the cost! Let's examine the cost for a moment, shall we? Was this event staged to discredit hardworking volunteers within this Cub Scout unit? Was this an attempt to publically embarrass a Colorado State legislator for having different beliefs than the parent/child in the article? Was this yet another in a long line of attempts to tarnish the BSA's 100 plus year history of turning out exceptional young men with a tried and true method of leadership training? I can not know what the true motive of this parent was, but one thing is for sure, if we do not address the current "Hate-America" sentiment with an equal amount of truth push-back ... we may be witnessing the end of the republic as we know it! History shows us that those that do not treasure hard fought freedom, will lose it! I admire your willingness to chime in on this matter, but not the method in which you chose to do it. Casting a wide net hoping to shame the Cub Scout unit involved in the matter was careless and disregarded the hard work of so many volunteer leaders that "Do The Right Thing" at each and every meeting! With that said, I'd like to leave you with one last thought ...

*The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law.*

Let's leave the BSA and more importantly, the youth out of the current political cesspool, shall we???

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Holy crap, a Trumpaloon, the only thing he didn't mention was our second amendment rights being in danger.
Maybe the kid is better off being out of there.
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:43 am
Holy crap, a Trumpaloon, the only thing he didn't mention was our second amendment rights being in danger.
Maybe the kid is better off being out of there.
Same town, different pack.
Thank you for painting with a broad brush.
>
> The incident at question did not occur at Troop 766 (of which I am the
> Scoutmaster) nor did it occur at Pack 766. You addressed us and I assume
> that what you did was pick Packs in Broomfield.
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> I do not know the details of the incident, and I suspect that you do not
> either. I am sure that there is more to this than has been represented to
> us.
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> Thank you for your concern about Scouting and I hope your support.
That's why I wrote "or Pack 766". I did the best address finding I could
on the web. Better to contact all possibilities than to remain silent when
a child is abused this way. Plus, you're all Scouts in Broomfield, thus
this affects all of you and requires you to learn more and act even if you
wish it didn't.

Feel free to forward my note to the correct people.

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