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I am writing to update you on gun bill activity in the General Assembly. At present there are five bills that we are tracking closely:

HB 69 would eliminate the concealed carry permitting system. This means that people as young as 18 can carry a hidden loaded weapon in public and that people would no longer need classroom and live fire training to carry concealed.
HB 145 would expand the state right to bear arms beyond the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment by entitling people to carry hidden guns in public, without specifying the standards or qualifications. The bill would amend the state constitution and thus would have to go before the voters.
HB 174 would allow a person who has a concealed handgun permit to carry a handgun on educational property that is the location of both a school and a place of religious worship outside of the operating hours of the school. This would effectively allow Sunday school teachers could carry a gun.
HB 201 would do away with the concealed carry weapons permit and our pistol purchase permitting system, which is our background check on private handgun sales. At present, you need a permit no matter where you buy your handgun, so if you by a handgun at a gun show or online you must have a background check. Over 20% of all gun purchases are private sales. We are one of only 19 states that have a background check on private sales.
HB 251 would allow concealed carry permit holders to bring guns on campus. Law enforcement is strongly against this along with NCGV. There have been accidental shootings at TX, where campus carry is allowed.

We are learning more about the bills and working to keep them from moving out of committee.

Stay tuned and ready to take action.
--Becky

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Just what we need, 18 year olds that have not even had the inadequate concealed carry "training" armed with guns they purchased without a background check in our Sunday schools and on our university campuses.
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O Really wrote:Some good news out of Florida ...http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/new-t ... t-20-years

Woman who got 20 years for shooting her floor while Zimmerman got off for shooting Martin gets new trial. Of course, if you read the article, it becomes pretty clear that she was not treated the same way by the court that others have been. Black woman in Florida - whodathunkit? Of course, the other lesson here is for the "nascar" type people who think all these SYG type laws protect the "good guys." By any definition (other than that black female with a gun part), Marissa Alexander would have been the "good guy" here. Concealed carry permit, active restraining order against a spouse with a previous conviction for domestic violence for attacking her, in her own house... Wonder why the jury didn't believe her? Oh yeah, there were those faulty jury instructions (per the article). Opps.
Via today's News of the Weird:
Marissa Alexander of Jacksonville, Florida, convicted and given a 20-year sentence in 2012 for firing a warning shot into a wall to fend off her abusive estranged husband, finally had the charges dropped in February. The persnickety trial judge had earlier determined that Florida's notorious "Stand Your Ground" law did not apply, even though the husband admitted that he was threatening to rough up Alexander and that she never aimed the gun at him. (With that defense not allowed, Alexander was doomed under Florida's similarly notorious 20-year mandatory sentence for aggravated assault using a gun.) [New York Times, 2-8-2017]

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... HB 251 would allow concealed carry permit holders to bring guns on campus. Law enforcement is strongly against this along with NCGV. There have been accidental shootings at TX, where campus carry is allowed....
From North Carolinians Against Gun Violence:
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Alarmingly, if perhaps not surprisingly, a bill has been introduced in the General Assembly that would allow guns onto UNC and community college campuses across North Carolina.

This bill, HB 251, is simply unacceptable and dangerous.

Reasons to oppose the bill:

- gun violence would likely rise if more guns were present on college campuses because of increased prevalence of drugs and alcohol, risk of suicide, likelihood of gun thefts, and risk of accidental shootings.

- 93% of violent crimes that victimize college students occur off campus, so allowing guns on campus doesn’t even address the perceived problem.

- concealed Weapons Permit training isn’t enough for an active shooting situation. It is not law enforcement training.

- a 2002 study by the Harvard School of Public Health found that students with a a firearm at college are more likely to binge drink, drive a motor vehicle after binge drinking, use illegal drugs, vandalize property and get into trouble with the police.

- 89% of campus sexual assaults involve drugs and/or alcohol. It is crazy to throw firearms into that mix.

Please call your legislators today to register your opposition to the bill. To find out who represents you, please go here.

The message is simple:

- I am a constituent calling to oppose campus carry, HB 251. The bill would make our campuses less safe. This dangerous bill.

- Choose any of the reasons above or share your own story about why you oppose this dangerous bill.

Please let us know how your calls go by emailing ncgv@ncgv.org with a quick report. .

Thank you again for your dedication to common sense gun laws.

--Becky

PS – If you have any connections to a community college or university in the UNC system, please contact them about passing a student or faculty resolution opposing the bill. We can get you sample resolutions.
HB 251 has not gone through committee yet. So, there's also time to write.
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Update:

Florida judge denies 'stand your ground' defense in shooting (by ex-cop over popcorn "assault")

Wussy cop killed and lied, SSDD except that this one may not get away with it.
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Every day, 22 U.S. veterans commit suicide -- this rate is double that of the U.S. civilian population. And the majority of those suicides are committed with firearms. In an effort to keep our veterans safe, for almost twenty years, the VA has submitted records of those vets it deems mentally incompetent to the National Background Check System (NICS). The practice includes due process and also provides opportunities for the veteran to challenge the ruling before and after the determination and record submission is made.

Now, corporate gun lobby allies in Congress are trying to reverse this system. HR 1181 would undo the VA process that leads to some veterans being put on the prohibited purchaser list. There would be no replacement system or process. And, it would also remove more than 170,000 records from the background check system.

Tell your representative to vote no on HR 1181. You can reach him/her at (202) 224-3121. To find out who represents you go here. http://www.house.gov/. Please let us know how your calls went - ncgv@ncgv.org. (or, as I did you can just copy and paste this email minus this paragraph and the final sentence)

Our veterans deserve good medical care for physical, mental and emotional trauma suffered as a result of their service. We must protect them as they have protected us. Undoing a system that recognizes veterans’ rights while also working to ensure they stay safe just doesn’t make sense!

Thank you for (hopefully) making this important call,

Becky
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Vrede too wrote:Update:

Florida judge denies 'stand your ground' defense in shooting (by ex-cop over popcorn "assault")

Wussy cop killed and lied, SSDD except that this one may not get away with it.
It seems that nothing is harder to understand than the Law of Unintended Consequences. It is especially true for wingnuts (who are already disadvantaged).
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Boatrocker wrote:
Vrede too wrote:Update:

Florida judge denies 'stand your ground' defense in shooting (by ex-cop over popcorn "assault")

Wussy cop killed and lied, SSDD except that this one may not get away with it.
It seems that nothing is harder to understand than the Law of Unintended Consequences. It is especially true for wingnuts (who are already disadvantaged).
He's a cop. The murdering asshole will never go to jail.
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Looks like the legislature is trying to fix that loophole and make it even easier to claim "I wuz skeered" http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florid ... ?ocid=iehp

MIAMI — Florida, which spearheaded the country’s use of the Stand Your Ground defense, is poised to significantly alter its self-defense laws, making it easier for defendants to use them.

The Florida Legislature is on the verge of passing legislation that would bolster self-defense laws and shift the burden to prosecutors to show that such laws should not apply.

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O Really wrote: . . . MIAMI — Florida, which spearheaded the country’s use of the Stand Your Ground defense, is poised to significantly alter its self-defense laws, making it easier for white defendants to use them.

The Florida Legislature is on the verge of passing legislation that would bolster self-defense laws and shift the burden to prosecutors to show that such laws should not apply to white people.
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Every now and then the right comes up with something that makes their other crap look sensible by comparison


http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... o-buy-guns


Passed the house and on to the senate
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billy.pilgrim wrote:... Passed the house and on to the senate
Thanks. Assholes. Template for emailing your Senators in my 3/14 post about emailing your Rep. above.
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GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NORTH CAROLINA
SESSION 2017
HOUSE BILL 174


AN ACT TO PROVIDE THAT A PERSON WHO HAS A CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT MAY CARRY A HANDGUN ON EDUCATIONAL PROPERTY THAT IS THE LOCATION OF BOTH A SCHOOL AND A PLACE OF RELIGIOUS WORSHIP OUTSIDE THE OPERATING HOURS OF THE SCHOOL.
http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2017/Bill ... H174v1.pdf

:roll: Gun worship, literally.

House Judiciary Committee vote tomorrow.
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Every day, 22 U.S. veterans commit suicide -- this rate is double that of the U.S. civilian population. And the majority of those suicides are committed with firearms. In an effort to keep our veterans safe, for almost twenty years, the VA has submitted records of those vets it deems mentally incompetent to the National Background Check System (NICS). The practice includes due process and also provides opportunities for the veteran to challenge the ruling before and after the determination and record submission is made.

Now, corporate gun lobby allies in Congress are trying to reverse this system. HR 1181 would undo the VA process that leads to some veterans being put on the prohibited purchaser list. There would be no replacement system or process. And, it would also remove more than 170,000 records from the background check system.

Tell your representative to vote no on HR 1181. You can reach him/her at (202) 224-3121. To find out who represents you go here. http://www.house.gov/. Please let us know how your calls went - ncgv@ncgv.org. (or, as I did you can just copy and paste this email minus this paragraph and the final sentence)

Our veterans deserve good medical care for physical, mental and emotional trauma suffered as a result of their service. We must protect them as they have protected us. Undoing a system that recognizes veterans’ rights while also working to ensure they stay safe just doesn’t make sense!

Thank you for (hopefully) making this important call,

Becky
NCGV (North Carolinians Against Gun Violence)
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billy.pilgrim wrote:Every now and then the right comes up with something that makes their other crap look sensible by comparison

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... o-buy-guns

Passed the house and on to the senate
Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding gun rights for our nation’s veterans. I appreciate hearing from you and welcome the opportunity to respond.

Like you, I believe that it is essential to honor those who were willing to sacrifice everything to defend the freedoms we all enjoy as Americans. A fundamental part of honoring this commitment relies upon guaranteeing that our veterans are afforded those same rights which they fought to protect. I am a strong advocate of protecting and promoting our Second Amendment rights. As Speaker of the House of Representatives in North Carolina, I worked to pass laws that protected and expanded the rights of law abiding gun owners.

As a United States Senator, I will continue to support legislation that protects our Second Amendment rights and oppose legislation that threatens to take them away. As a member of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs and Judiciary Committees, I will continue to support our veterans’ right to bear arms. Please know that if this issue comes before the Senate, I will carefully consider everything you have said in making a decision that is best for North Carolina and the country....

Sincerely,
Thom Tillis (R-NC)
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(GA) Kindergarten teacher arrested after gun found in classroom

... they found a loaded handgun in her purse, which was on the floor under her desk....
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Fact Sheet - HB 588 is Dangerous for NC
Subject: Oppose Dangerous Catch-All NC Gun Bill, HB 588
From: "NCGV" <ncgv@ncgv.org>
Date: Wed, April 19, 2017 9:22 am

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Last week NC legislators introduced HB 588, legislation combining multiple gun bills. NCGV strongly opposes HB 588. The worst parts of the bill would:

Eliminate NC’s successful pistol purchase permitting system. This means that a convicted felon, dangerously mentally ill individual, domestic violence abuser or a minor could buy a handgun online or at a gun show, no questions asked.
Allow the carrying of a concealed gun at a UNC system school or a community college. This includes areas where there are children on campus, such as at university hospitals or on-campus day cares. Out of state concealed carry weapons permits also would be valid, which is doubly concerning because some states have little or no training.

In the NC General Assembly, legislation without fiscal notes or appropriations must have passed either the House or the Senate by April 27th at Midnight to stay alive. This “crossover deadline” is fast approaching.

You can help stop these dangerous provisions by calling your representative today. Find out who represents you by going here.

Here is a sample message to use: “I am a constituent from [name your town] calling in opposition to HB 588, the catch-all gun bill. I am particularly concerned about the elimination of the pistol purchase permitting system and also allowing guns on college campuses. Please don’t rush this dangerous bill through just because it is crossover.”

After you call, pass the alert on to at least 5 other people and let us know how your call goes – ncgv@ncgv.org.

Thank you for taking action on this important issue.

Becky
North Carolinians Against Gun Violence
http://www.ncgv.org/

PS – Legislators tried to eliminate the pistol purchase permitting system in 2015 but because people called, emailed and showed up at the General Assembly there was bipartisan support to remove the provision. We can do it again with your help!
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