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Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:10 pm
... What other solution is there than to put some heavy restrictions on these types of weapons?
Off the top of my head, you'll find more at gun control websites:

Banning all assault-style rifles.
Banning and/or making the penalties worse for modifications/accessories like full auto and bump stocks.
Limiting magazine size.
"Smart gun" requirements like fingerprint ID for firing.
Original owner liability for damage done by lost or stolen guns when proven reasonable securing measure were not taken.
Mandatory background checks for ALL sales.
Mandatory psych evals.
Mandatory training and regular, frequent re-certification.
Mandatory criminal charges for "accidents" and shootings by children.
Anything else that's been proven effective in gun control states and comparable nations.
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JTA wrote:
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What other solution is there than to put some heavy restrictions on these types of weapons?
As I've posted here before, there's a simple way to get gun control in America:

Democrats take a strong pro-NRA stance. Declare that gun ownership is an important part of American citizenship, an important defence against the tyranny of the government and the establishment of a ruling class.

Then they begin a campaign to encourage and assist gun ownership by blacks, Hispanics, and any minority that has ever feared the tyranny of a ruling class.

The next Republican administration would take away everyone's guns.

The way they do this is to based on the meaning of "well regulated militia." The U.S. Supreme Court recently reinterpreted this (after much lobbying) as meaning that you don't have to be part of a militia. "The adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training."

And so Republicans focus on "proper discipline and training." Redefine it to include either police training, military training or a government approved training course. The government-approved course would be the equivalent of a driving course and a driver's test, with equivalent costs. But it would also include criminal, mental health and drug tests and background checks.

Now the foot is in the door. After the inevitable incidents and accidents by those who have taken the course, you declare that the obvious solution is to raise the training standards. (You know, just like how the solution to gun violence is more guns.)

Now it includes courses in gun safety, gun theory, a history course on guns and the Second Amendment, and a course on responsible citizenship. The training becomes the equivalent of a semester in part-time college, where you don't have time for a full-time job AND you have to pay money up front to take it. Complete with $300 worth of textbooks required. And if you fail the course, you have to take it again.

At that point you've denied guns to the poor, largely visible minorities. How Republican is that? Also gang members, hillbillies, people with a criminal record and many other undesirables. But you haven't violated the Second Amendment. The NRA, now making a fortune providing that training, backs them all the way.

And so the pro-gun-control crowd gets their gun control. The Republicans remain the party of "responsible" gun ownership, with a monopoly on deciding who is "responsible". The NRA makes a fortune. Everyone (that counts) is happy.

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The NRA and other Republicans insist that schools would be safer if staffed with gun-toting faculty members.

Vice President Mike Pence will be giving a speech at the NRA's annual convention later this week.

Naturally, as with CPAC, Republican conventions and other Republican events, guns will be banned from the premises. With so many "good guys with guns", one would have expected it to be the safest place on earth.

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What's especially funny about that is that it's probably a requirement of the Secret Service protecting Pence and has little to do with what NRA would do otherwise. But for some reason they'd apparently rather be held up for hypocrisy by most everybody else than to admit that yes, they really would "give up their guns" to governmental pressure in exchange for a VP appearance.

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Tue May 01, 2018 9:05 am
What's especially funny about that is that it's probably a requirement of the Secret Service protecting Pence and has little to do with what NRA would do otherwise.
That's what they claim. For CPAC they claim that the venue doesn't allow guns.

Because, you know, it's impossible to find a venue owned by a True American that allows guns. And the President and Vice president don't have the power to tell the Secret Service "The NRA convention allows guns and I'm going anyway."

Cowards.

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Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:46 am
Mountain Equipment Co-op (MEC) is a Canadian cooperative that sells outdoor recreation gear and clothing with stores in 22 cities. They're known for their eco-friendly building designs and attitude.

Vista Outdoor owns outdoor brands including Bollé, Bushnell, CamelBak, Camp Chef and Jimmy Styks. But Vista also makes ammunition that MEC doesn't sell.

After intense public pressure over the last few days, MEC dropped Vista products.

No doubt Cabela's (owned by Bass Pro Shops since October), with at least a couple stores here in Winnipeg alone, will still be selling them.
CBC: Vista Outdoor, U.S. firm dropped by MEC after school shooting, to exit gun manufacturing

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What's especially funny about that is that it's probably a requirement of the Secret Service protecting Pence and has little to do with what NRA would do otherwise. But for some reason they'd apparently rather be held up for hypocrisy by most everybody else than to admit that yes, they really would "give up their guns" to governmental pressure in exchange for a VP appearance.
That's what they claim. For CPAC they claim that the venue doesn't allow guns.

Because, you know, it's impossible to find a venue owned by a True American that allows guns. And the President and Vice president don't have the power to tell the Secret Service "The NRA convention allows guns and I'm going anyway."

Cowards.
They could do the speech by video link, or just decide that having VP Q-tip isn't worth creating an evil and dangerous gun free zone.

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The National Rifle Association’s decision to ban guns during Mike Pence’s speech at its annual meeting in Dallas this week “leaves him totally vulnerable to a bear attack,” the Secretary of Education, Betsy DeVos, warned on Monday.
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Vrede too wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 5:28 pm
"Hero" customer wrestled rifle away from Waffle House shooter

As the lily white NRA never says - The only thing that will stop a bad white guy with a gun is a good black guy without a gun.

Thank you, James Shaw Jr.!
The passion of the Parkland survivors is no surprise to me, but I've been repeatedly blown away by their intelligence, maturity and political savvy.
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my hero James Shaw Jr.

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GoFundMe: Victims Of Waffle House Shooting

My name is James Shaw Jr. I am creating this page to help the families of the victims from the Shooting that took place at Waffle House in Antioch, TN. Please take the time to donate as all of the proceeds will be given to the families. Thank you again for your generosity and blessings!
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/23/us/w ... -shaw.html

$219,128 of $15,000 goal
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Just watched this:

Dwyane Wade surprises Waffle House hero on 'Ellen' show

Preceding what's shown is Shaw's blow-by-blow account of what happened in the Waffle House - worth finding on YT or Ellen's website.
GoFundMe: Help The Waffle House Hero

Political reporter Yashar Ali:

James Shaw Jr. put his life on the line when he took on the gunman who killed four people at a Nashville area Waffle House. Since that horrific shooting, he has raised tens of thousands of dollars for the victims and shown a level of humility that has inspired many of us.

I normally don't get involved directly in these matters, but James' grace has inspired me to start this page to give him the support I feel he deserves.

According to news reports, James has a four-year-old daughter. Perhaps this money can be used for her college fund or some other education related expense. But I'd be just as happy if James used some of this money to take his family on a nice vacation.

Funds will be transferred directly to James Shaw Jr. through GoFundMe.

$213,992 of $200,000 goal
I also stumbled on this:
Add to those $20K each from Ellen/Shutterfly and Dwyane Wade and it's up to about $262K collected for single dad (already a hero before this) Shaw. Wow.

I'm pretty sure that none of the donations to the victims or Shaw came from the NRA.
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Oliver North to Become NRA President

I had to double check that it wasn't satire from The Onion. Who better to run the NRA than a criminal traitor that supported Iran, aided terrorists in Nicaragua, and spit on the Constitution?

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It's the irony. A convicted arms dealer, who betrayed his honor and oath to the constitution, will now be the president of the NRA. That's like hiring a convicted pedophile to be run a daycare.
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Oliver North: NRA is victim of 'civil terrorism' by gun control activists

Snowflake Henny Penny crybaby.

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Civil terrorism? Wow, that sounds pretty bad. I imagine there must be hundreds, maybe thousands of NRA members that are killed every year just for their association with the NRA?

Why can't the evil, bloodthirsty liberals just leave the poor, peaceful NRA members all alone?
Only the NRA can make themselves out to be the victims in a situation where their detractors are burying their teenage children
That's hilarious, coming from a man who helped fund actual terrorists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%8 ... tra_affair
Ollie North was a gun runner for Reagan secretly selling 1,500 TOW and Hawk missiles to the terrorist state of Iran. North is the perfect choice for the head of another terrorist organization, the NRA.
It's almost as if the Russians are only using the NRA to troll Americans by picking Oliver North.
"Civil terrorism" is breaking out everywhere, they're coming for us all. Oh no...........
Hooooooooooly sh-t.

If we had any doubt he would come right out of the gate and be a complete lunatic, he calls people terrorists and compares what the NRA is facing to Jim Crow.

Jesus H Christ.
When those kids marched out of school Ollie did a wee-wee in his diaper.
So Oliver is still a pri*k
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rstrong wrote:
Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:39 pm
Cerberus bought Remington Arms for $370 million - a price which include $252 million in assumed debt. As your New York Post story says, when someone wanted to buy the company off Cerberus, "Remington passed and ended up borrowing more money to pay investors a dividend, raising its debt load to more than $1 billion." Now it's likely unsellable.

It's only a matter of time until you hear about lib'ruls, gun control and Obama being responsible for the company's demise.
So Remington has filed for bankruptcy, restructured, and walked away from about $775 million in debt. It got a loan from several banks to cover the remaining debt.

Cerberus gives up its equity in the restructuring. If I understand this correctly, it paid $370 million for the company. But then got a couple times that back by having the company borrow money to pay them a dividend. Which the NYPost story above, fully explaining that this happened, described as "Cerberus Capital Management’s bet on America’s biggest gunmaker has backfired." Riiiight.

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After Sandy Hook we said never again. And then we let 1,650 mass shootings happen. (article and interactive map)

What Explains U.S. Mass Shootings? International Comparisons Suggest an Answer

... But there is one quirk that consistently puzzles America’s fans and critics alike. Why, they ask, does it experience so many mass shootings?

Perhaps, some speculate, it is because American society is unusually violent. Or its racial divisions have frayed the bonds of society. Or its citizens lack proper mental care under a health care system that draws frequent derision abroad.

These explanations share one thing in common: Though seemingly sensible, all have been debunked by research on shootings elsewhere in the world. Instead, an ever-growing body of research consistently reaches the same conclusion.

The only variable that can explain the high rate of mass shootings in America is its astronomical number of guns....

Americans make up about 4.4 percent of the global population but own 42 percent of the world’s guns. From 1966 to 2012, 31 percent of the gunmen in mass shootings worldwide were American, according to a 2015 study by Adam Lankford, a professor at the University of Alabama.
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Adjusted for population, only Yemen has a higher rate of mass shootings among countries with more than 10 million people — a distinction Mr. Lankford urged to avoid outliers. Yemen has the world’s second-highest rate of gun ownership after the United States...

Factors That Don’t Correlate

... mental health ...

... video games ...

... Racial diversity ...

A Violent Country

... Americans sometimes see this as an expression of deeper problems with crime, a notion ingrained, in part, by a series of films portraying urban gang violence in the early 1990s. But the United States is not actually more prone to crime than other developed countries, according to a landmark 1999 study by Franklin E. Zimring and Gordon Hawkins of the University of California, Berkeley.

Rather, they found, in data that has since been repeatedly confirmed, that American crime is simply more lethal. A New Yorker is just as likely to be robbed as a Londoner, for instance, but the New Yorker is 54 times more likely to be killed in the process.

They concluded that the discrepancy, like so many other anomalies of American violence, came down to guns.

More gun ownership corresponds with more gun murders across virtually every axis: among developed countries, among American states, among American towns and cities and when controlling for crime rates. And gun control legislation tends to reduce gun murders, according to a recent analysis of 130 studies from 10 countries.

This suggests that the guns themselves cause the violence....

After Britain had a mass shooting in 1987, the country instituted strict gun control laws. So did Australia after a 1996 shooting. But the United States has repeatedly faced the same calculus and determined that relatively unregulated gun ownership is worth the cost to society.

That choice, more than any statistic or regulation, is what most sets the United States apart.

“In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate,” Dan Hodges, a British journalist, wrote in a post on Twitter two years ago, referring to the 2012 attack that killed 20 young students at an elementary school in Connecticut. “Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.”

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Idiot drooling Texas Lt. Gov: "There's too many entrances in the school. Cut down to one entrance for safety"

Real life security expert: Cut down to one entrance and create a killing field.

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O Really wrote:
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Idiot drooling Texas Lt. Gov: "There's too many entrances in the school. Cut down to one entrance for safety"

Real life security expert: Cut down to one entrance and create a killing field.
Plus, a gun attack on a single full school bus can create as many casualties as most school shootings.
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The petition to FedEx reads:

“The NRA is a dangerous extremist group. Its ‘guns everywhere’ agenda threatens public safety and makes it almost impossible to pass gun control legislation at the federal or state level. It’s time to stop supporting them.”
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I'm not sure what his thoughts are on lightsaber control. :wave:
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