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Here's one for you, Leo -

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- A Tennessee inmate's final words were "let's rock" moments before he became the first man executed in the electric chair in that state since 2007, put to death Thursday for shooting two men and slitting their throats during a drug deal decades ago.
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Edmund Zagorski, 63, was pronounced dead at 7:26 p.m. Thursday at a Nashville maximum-security prison, officials said.

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Zagorski was convicted of a April 1983 double slaying. Prosecutors said Zagorski shot John Dotson and Jimmy Porter and then slit their throats after robbing the two men after they came to him to buy marijuana.

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Zagorski had been on death row 34 years, the second-longest in Tennessee.
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Protesters held vigils Thursday in Knoxville and Memphis, and outside the Nashville maximum-security prison where Zagorski was executed Thursday. There some raised a banner with the words: "A Free Tennessee is Execution-Free."

There's the real life death penalty. The state still provided him a luxurious life for 34 years, and now people are still out protesting. If he'd just been put away for life, no parole, the state would have spent less and nobody would remember he existed.

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Plus, all of this was a direct result of the utterly Failed prohibition.
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Interesting how sadly times have changed.
"Zagorski was convicted of a April 1983 double slaying. Prosecutors said Zagorski shot John Dotson and Jimmy Porter and then slit their throats after robbing the two men after they came to him to buy marijuana."

I'm not sure his crime would even make the top of the news anymore if it happened now. More like, "Traffic continues to be backed up on the 5 after a load of salmon was dumped from an overturned semi. "Allison?" "Thanks John, In other news, two guys got killed in a drug sale gone bad on the southside, no other injuries reported. And now here's the weather..."

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In other news, two guys got killed in a drug sale gone bad on the southside, no other injuries reported..."
"The police, however, say there is no danger to the public."

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So I've got a solution that would speed up death penalties and cut down gun problems at the same time. Let's say that if a person is found with an illegal firearm, or brandishes a firearm in public, that the cops can consider him an immediate threat and shoot him on the spot. To partially offset the inevitable abuse, though, we could say if the perp does not really have a gun (e.g. "brandishing" a lighter or cell phone), then the cop has to be shot, too.

The policy is actually in place in some locations as regards black guys, but it could be made official everywhere.

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Zagorski had been on death row 34 years, the second-longest in Tennessee.

The state still provided him a luxurious life for 34 years, and now people are still out protesting. If he'd just been put away for life, no parole, the state would have spent less and nobody would remember he existed.
"The state of Tennessee made multiple attempts to execute Zagorski over the course of nearly a decade."

"In late April, days after the murders, Zagorski arrived at a friend's house in Ohio. The friend in question observed that Zagorski was in possession of numerous items belonging to Dotson and Porter, including Porter's red Datsun truck, as well as a large amount of money. Zagorski was ultimately arrested on May 26, 1983 following a shootout with Ohio police, during which he shot a number of officers, before he himself was shot, subdued, and arrested.

This is what I mean about two appeals and three bullets. There was no doubt of any innocence, he chose his method of execution, therefore, he was as "guilty as sin". Expensive to execute a prisoner? Bulls*it. They WASTED more money on this piece of human garbage than should be allowed.

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Leo Lyons wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:22 pm
Vrede too wrote:
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I hope the hell it's not contagious.
I just heard there was a "professional" wrestler by that name in the WWE. He's bought all Jesse Ventura's feather boas.
Was that you?

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LEO's or white ammosexuals facing the accountability that they demand of others? Hah, good one, O Really.
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'Welcome to the white man's world': Cops allegedly beat up 2 Latino boys during arrest

A suspended Springfield, Mass., police officer, Gregg Bigda, is now facing federal charges that he beat up a 14-year-old Latino boy and another teenager while they were under arrest. He also allegedly spat on one of the young boys and told him, “Welcome to the white man’s world,” according to the indictment.

Bigda and Steven Vigneault, a narcotics detective who resigned from the department in 2016, were charged with excessive force on Wednesday morning in relation to the February 2016 arrest of a group of teens suspected of stealing an undercover police vehicle, according to MassLive.com.

While the physical assault against the teens was not captured on video, a 30-minute surveillance video recording uploaded on YouTube features Bigda threatening to beat up one of the boys, unleash the K-9 dogs on him, and “crush your skull.”

In the video, he also threatened to plant drugs on one of the teenagers. “I’m not hampered by the f***ing truth ’cause I don’t give a f***!” Bigda is heard saying. “People like you belong in jail. I’ll charge you with whatever. I’ll stick a f***ing kilo of coke in your pocket and put you away for 15 years.”

The teens involved with the alleged theft claim that the driver, Vigneault, who left the car while he was inside a pizza shop, was drunk the night of their arrest. Vigneault was indicted on excessive force charges along with Bigda. The suit charges that the teens were kicked in the face while handcuffed and bitten by police dogs.

Bigda and Vigneault pleaded not guilty to the charges in court on Wednesday. They were both released on bail and could face up to 15 years in prison. Bigda has been suspended without pay, according to the Springfield police department.

According to MassLive.com, this is not Bigda’s first offense. The lawsuit alleges he has also been accused of assaulting a pregnant woman, declaring “I hate Puerto Ricans,” and macing puppies to death.
14-year-olds, a pregnant woman and puppies - he just needs a disabled veteran to hit for the cycle.
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This is what I mean about two appeals and three bullets. There was no doubt of any innocence, he chose his method of execution, therefore, he was as "guilty as sin". Expensive to execute a prisoner? Bulls*it. They WASTED more money on this piece of human garbage than should be allowed.
Zagorski is a real case/event, Leo. You're still wanting a different world. Only way to do it is to get the law changed. Only way to get the law changed is to scrap the current process. And get a bunch of people elected on a pro-death penalty ticket. Good luck with that.

But the expense isn't in just killing him. It's the extra costs of maintaining a "death row," legal expenses, etc. that wouldn't be there with a straight life sentence.

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Zagorski is a real case/event, Leo.

He prefers his fantasy world.

You're still wanting a different world. Only way to do it is to get the law changed....

And the Constitution.

Good luck with that.

Yep.

But the expense isn't in just killing him. It's the extra costs of maintaining a "death row," legal expenses, etc. that wouldn't be there with a straight life sentence.

IRL, this is what Leo is advocating for, though he just can't admit. Hence the goofy, unrealistic fantasies in a desperate attempt to rationalize what his team is actually doing.
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Opps, I was mistaken in an earlier post in which I mentioned a "maybe 50/50 chance of getting executed." Since the death penalty became constitutional again in 1976, turns out 7,800 defendants have been sentenced to death, and about 1,400 have been executed. That's more like a 1 in 5 chance of actually getting killed by the state. Meanwhile, 161 who were sentenced to death were exonerated before their execution

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he just needs a disabled veteran to hit for the cycle.
Perhaps our WWE Superstar Cultmaster would like to go a round with him?
You could get him to drop his guard by tickling his nose with one of your feather boas. :lol: :-H

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O Really wrote:
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Zagorski is a real case/event, Leo. You're still wanting a different world. Only way to do it is to get the law changed. Only way to get the law changed is to scrap the current process. And get a bunch of people elected on a pro-death penalty ticket. Good luck with that.
I'm not especially "wanting" anything; I'm expressing an opinion.

But the expense isn't in just killing him. It's the extra costs of maintaining a "death row," legal expenses, etc. that wouldn't be there with a straight life sentence.
A straight life sentence carries identical cost burdens to the taxpayers in the appeals process. We've heard the stories of inmates filing lawsuit after lawsuits, appeals after appeals in order to burden the system down with his bulls*it that he has a "right" to pursue, and the state has an obligation to hear or judge it's merits. Once incarcerated, an inmate should not be allowed to pull this crap; only through an attorney, and the number of times should be limited.

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IRL, this is what Leo is advocating for, though he just can't admit. Hence the goofy, unrealistic fantasies in a desperate attempt to rationalize what his team is actually doing.
You can tell it's the first of the month; Vrede's on the rag.

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A straight life sentence carries identical cost burdens to the taxpayers in the appeals process. We've heard the stories of inmates filing lawsuit after lawsuits, appeals after appeals in order to burden the system down with his bulls*it that he has a "right" to pursue, and the state has an obligation to hear or judge it's merits. Once incarcerated, an inmate should not be allowed to pull this crap; only through an attorney, and the number of times should be limited.
Not quite. Often a convict will file an appeal for one reason or another, but they don't usually go very far unless there really are valid grounds for the appeal, and all the paper crap prisoners file pro se are routinely handled by the office grunts. Death penalty appeals, however, have to be taken more seriously because a minor error can cause a big problem, and because there are many more grounds tossed up for reversing than in other cases, and because they attract a lot of public attention, and because they're usually filed by death penalty specialists or experts who know what they're doing, such as through the Innocence Project who also have goals that go past the individual case. Death penalty cases do in fact cost more than life sentences. Why am I even yapping about it? Look it up. Source of your choice.

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Summary: Leo Lyons pulls "facts" out of his ass, again. EVERY source says that the death sentence costs more.
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Here, Leo - give me your hand.

When the American legal system decides to pursue a capital offense, taxpayers can suffer — to the tune of about $1 million.

A new study from Seattle University analyzed 147 aggravated first-degree murder cases since 1997 in Washington state, separating the data into two categories: when prosecutors file a death notice, and when they don't.

On average, a single death-penalty case cost $3.07 million, while a noncapital case cost an average of $2.01 million, leaving a difference of about $1.06 million. Adjusted for inflation in 2015, that means prosecutors seeking the death penalty cost Americans an extra $1.15 million per case, making them 1.4 to 1.5 times more expensive.



Another detailed list from the state of Washington.

While the death penalty is the most final of punishments it's far from a quick process. And using a 2006 study by the state bar association the costs add up. For example

"A defendant facing the death penalty is entitled to two attorneys, of course the costs for defense attorneys are higher", says Joann Moore, Director of the Washington State Office of Public Defense.

Add prosecution costs, defense costs, then appeals and the cost is over one million dollars more than non-death penalty cases.

Trial Attorneys $467,000

Court Costs $70,000

Appeals $100,800

Personal Restraint

Petition $152,900

Habeas Corpus

Petition $238,000

Misc. Petitions ?

= $1,028,700+ MORE than a non-death penalty case

With the exception of a man convicted last year, the seven Washington inmates on death row now have been there an average of 14 years; add over another half million in prison costs not counting the extra expense of death row.

Per Prisoner Per year = $43,352*

so

14 years = $606,928*

*Not counting the higher cost for death row inmates

"Death row would be housed within a level five secure unit. It gets expensive because it's more intensive from a security standpoint and a security staffing standpoint", says Dan Patcholke, Directors of Prisons for the Washington state Department of Corrections.

Last year's execution of Cal Brown cost nearly $100,000.

Execution Costs

(2010 Cal Brown Execution)

Overtime $48,771.66

Straight Time $27,090.93

Wages $75,862.59

Travel $5,745.54

Goods & Services $16,205.96

= $97,814.09

So the ballpark price tag of the death penalty in Washington State is $1.7 million, not including some appeals and petitions.

Total Estimated Death Penalty Costs

Court $1,028,700

Prison $606,928

Execution $97,815

=$1,733,443

"The attorneys in the cases are required basically to leave no stone unturned, in terms of what evidence they're examining", says Moore.

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