The Global Warming thread.

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TVA Votes to Close 2 Coal Plants, Despite Political Pressure from Trump and Kentucky GOP
The aging Paradise coal-fired power plant is unreliable, expensive and polluting, TVA data show. The federally owned utility said its decision is based on economics.

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Thunder and lightning in February - really?

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I just saw a story that the Trump administration is establishing a climate change panel but the guy who is to head it up is apparently a climate change skeptic......perfect. He only hires the smartest people, you know.

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Tell Senators: Climate Change is Real And it’s Time to Act!

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(National) Youth Climate Strike

Join us on March 15th: Find your local strike.

Asheville, not Hooterville.
https://actionnetwork.org/event_campaig ... country=US

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Wow. Donald Trump just tweeted what might be his most outrageous statement on climate denial ever. What’s worse, he dragged Greenpeace into it!



Here’s the deal. Since Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez released the visionary resolution for Green New Deal, the response from right-wing climate deniers has been ludicrous. Just this morning, Patrick Moore — a paid polluter lobbyist who falsely claims to be a founder of Greenpeace — went on Fox and Friends to spew lies about the climate crisis and bash the Green New Deal.

President Trump was quick to tweet his agreement. But, we know better.

We need to jump on this media moment right now to call out Trump, resist climate denial and build real climate leadership to replace Trump in 2020.

Tell all Democratic candidates running for president in 2020 to do everything in their power to support a Green New Deal and phase out fossil fuels now.

You know how urgent this is. For every minute we spend on distractions and climate denial, the future of humanity loses time on finding real solutions. We’re already on borrowed time.

We need to stop lobbyists and politicians bankrolled by fossil fuel money from using their platforms to bully brave and bold leaders like Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. We need real climate leadership right now!

The Green New Deal is more than just a response to an environmental threat — it’s a vision for the future of this country that puts people and communities first. And, it’s just plain common sense. A poll was recently released showing strong bipartisan support for a Green New Deal among registered voters, including 64% of Republicans.

In fact, we think federal climate policy should go even further in confronting the fossil fuel industry for its polluting practices and its decades of obstructing climate action. This is a fight we can win, but I need your help to make that happen.

The countdown is on. Let’s go all in for #Climate2020 and demand presidential candidates tackle this climate crisis head-on.

Thanks for all you do,

Janet Redman
Climate Campaign Director, Greenpeace US

In 2007 Patrick Moore and I had an email argument. Looks like he's now an AGW denier , but this was back when he was shilling for nuclear power by claiming that it's greenhouse gas free, which is a flat out lie when one looks at its full life cycle impacts. He is surprisingly lousy at debate and every bit the asshole that you might imagine him to be, a perfect fit for Faux Noise and POSPOTUS.

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Tell Green New Deal Co-Sponsors: Show Real Climate Leadership and Sign the No Fossil Fuel Money Pledge

I have not been signing these petitions. While the pledge might help some candidates, for others such self-imposed restrictions can be political suicide. I applaud those that pledge, but would rather hold ALL pols accountable for voting with fossil fuels or against real campaign finance reform, while seeing as many as possible that will vote correctly get elected.

What do you think?

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I think campaign finance reform meaning the elimination of any and all special interest money in the political sphere should be the goal. I don't sign any of those things either mostly to dodge unwanted contacts or mailings or surveillance. I hate that shit.

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I think campaign finance reform meaning the elimination of any and all special interest money in the political sphere should be the goal. I don't sign any of those things either mostly to dodge unwanted contacts or mailings or surveillance. I hate that shit.

It's always easy to unsubscribe. No public interest group wants to piss you off - especially you - with unwanted email.

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Campaigns are expensive. Money has to come from somewhere. I'm all for limits on corporations/organizations/PACs, etc., but bottom line is that either contributions are allowed or campaigns have to be publicly funded. And that has its own issues in how to you select who is a real and viable candidate.

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I think campaign finance reform meaning the elimination of any and all special interest money in the political sphere should be the goal. I don't sign any of those things either mostly to dodge unwanted contacts or mailings or surveillance. I hate that shit.

It's always easy to unsubscribe. No public interest group wants to piss you off - especially you - with unwanted email.

Ahhhh, I don't know, man. The idea of "unsubscribe" is sort of like forgetting something you saw or did....you can never unsubscribe. Once you've been classified in somebody's system you will always be there.

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Campaigns are expensive. Money has to come from somewhere. I'm all for limits on corporations/organizations/PACs, etc., but bottom line is that either contributions are allowed or campaigns have to be publicly funded. And that has its own issues in how to you select who is a real and viable candidate.

But campaigns shouldn't be expensive; we've been conditioned to accept that they are.....each election cycle reveals record "expenditures" over any other cycle. I say it's all bullshit....if unlimited special interest money were banned, and only voters in the particular voting district could contribute to candidates, I think a hell of a lot things would change. For statewide elections, all residents of the state could contribute. No entity, such as corporations, unions, special interests, etc not listed on voter registration rolls as an eligible voter would be able to contribute money to any candidate.

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A member of Congress may theoretically "represent" only the people in his/her own district, but their actions or lack thereof can affect everybody. It would make sense to me to set a top dollar limit on spending for any given race by each candidate and that's all they can spend no matter where they got the money from. Even then, however, enforcing those limits might be difficult. Shortening the campaign period could help.

The Canadian plan may not be perfect, but works better than in US:
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/ ... -financing

England cuts out some money, but is overly complex:
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/ ... al-parties

But still, no need to re-invent the wheel over campaign financing - pretty much everybody does it better than US.

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https://act.nrdc.org/letter/af-january-climate-b-190103

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Citing climate differences, Shell walks away from U.S. refining lobby

Royal Dutch Shell Plc on Tuesday became the first major oil and gas company to announce plans to leave a leading U.S. refining lobby due to disagreement on climate policies, citing its support for the goals of the Paris climate agreement.

In its first review of its association with 19 key industry groups, Shell said it had found “material misalignment” over climate policy with the American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers (AFPM) and would quit the body in 2020.

The review is part of Shell’s drive to increase transparency and show investors it is in line with the 2015 Paris climate agreement’s goals to limit global warming by reducing carbon emissions to a net zero by the end of the century.

It is the latest sign of how investor pressure on oil companies, particularly in Europe, is leading to changes in their behavior around climate. Last year, Shell caved in to investor pressure over climate change, setting out plans to introduce industry-leading carbon emissions targets linked to executive pay.

Its chief executive, Ben van Beurden, has since repeatedly urged oil and gas producers to take action over climate and pollution, staking out a more radical position than the heads of other major oil companies....

Wow, pretty rare to learn of a Big Oil corp. doing the right thing. Figures that it would be a British-Dutch oil and gas company vs. a US assoc.

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Tell (major fund managers) BlackRock, Vanguard, and Fidelity: Use your power to fight climate change

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Wind turbine blows up in S. Ontario - pics from a drone. Then drone has "unexpected" power failure and crashes. (cue the Twilight Zone music)

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/watch/a ... ?ocid=iehp

Apparently some form of issue with these isn't unusual. One blew up in Nova Scotia last year, and earlier this year, there was one that just broke in half and crashed.

We drove past fields of hundreds of these in Texas and New Mexico - as far as you can see. Had no idea they cost $4mil each.

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Wind turbine blows up in S. Ontario

No one incinerated, no plume of toxic smoke, no radioactive waste to be cleaned up, no polluted river, no massive wildlife kill, no evacuations. Imagine that.

- pics from a drone. Then drone has "unexpected" power failure and crashes....

Or, in Canadian: "resulting in it making a high speed descent to the concrete below."

Had no idea they cost $4mil each.

Maybe a bargain over a (usually) long lifespan?

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Yeah, I'm sure of the thousands of them out there, the blow up rate is very low. I really enjoy seeing them - very graceful, and they don't take away from the use of the land around them for farming or grazing. According to another article, the people living close by heard a loud squealing sound, then an explosion. It would sound like a burned out bearing, I suppose, the unexplained "explosion" part is a bit strange. We've also seen them hauling in the blades and parts on trucks. One truck per blade, pulling two trailers. Big load escort. Wide turns.

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Yeah, I'm sure of the thousands of them out there, the blow up rate is very low. I really enjoy seeing them - very graceful, and they don't take away from the use of the land around them for farming or grazing. According to another article, the people living close by heard a loud squealing sound, then an explosion. It would sound like a burned out bearing, I suppose, the unexplained "explosion" part is a bit strange. We've also seen them hauling in the blades and parts on trucks. One truck per blade, pulling two trailers. Big load escort. Wide turns.

I'll bet the first drone they sent to look at it crashed into it causing the failure, but they're not admitting it.

Yeah, I've never understood the viewshed complaints, and have wondered if they're just excuses for something else.