Re: CPF: The BEST Forum Ever

[O Really]

. . . This is the only rational post I've seen, of any substance. While you can't be taken seriously for calling Obama "right-center", or claiming that he's "appeased" anybody with his mighty pen & phone, congrats on an otherwise readable effort. Unlike your little pals here.

Why? Defend your position.

Not likely. For example, he'd have to deal with:
1. Obamacare - same program supported by Republicans (until Obama supported it). Liberals would like single-payer universal coverage.
2. Foreign policy - followed same program on same timetable as Republicans formerly supported (until Obama did it) Liberals would like the US not to be the worlds oppressive police force.
3. Immigration - followed same approach as even Reagan did and supported by J.Bush and others (until Obama supported it) Liberals would like a workable program leading to legalization of current immigrants.
4. Firearms issues - six years with no proposal to "take away our guns." Liberals would like better constraints on the ease of acquiring firearms. (Even we have given up on any meaningful "control" of existing firearms.

I would wonder if Andy could come up with any policy, proposed legislation, or action that would be applauded - without reservation - by the dreaded and scurvy "liberals." Pretty much everything I can think of that I'm willing to click the "like" button on are heavily compromised.

[AndyJackson]

. . . This is the only rational post I've seen, of any substance. While you can't be taken seriously for calling Obama "right-center", or claiming that he's "appeased" anybody with his mighty pen & phone, congrats on an otherwise readable effort. Unlike your little pals here.

Why? Defend your position.

Not likely. For example, he'd have to deal with:
1. Obamacare - same program supported by Republicans (until Obama supported it). Liberals would like single-payer universal coverage.
2. Foreign policy - followed same program on same timetable as Republicans formerly supported (until Obama did it) Liberals would like the US not to be the worlds oppressive police force.
3. Immigration - followed same approach as even Reagan did and supported by J.Bush and others (until Obama supported it) Liberals would like a workable program leading to legalization of current immigrants.
4. Firearms issues - six years with no proposal to "take away our guns." Liberals would like better constraints on the ease of acquiring firearms. (Even we have given up on any meaningful "control" of existing firearms.

I would wonder if Andy could come up with any policy, proposed legislation, or action that would be applauded - without reservation - by the dreaded and scurvy "liberals." Pretty much everything I can think of that I'm willing to click the "like" button on are heavily compromised.

1. No real conservatives support nationalizing healthcare and health insurance. GOP is not conservative. The dem controlled WH / Senate / House could have written any program they wanted. They just wrote complete trash in their haste to get it through before anyone could read or vet it.
2. Nobody in their right minds ever considered ignoring and then tacitly empowering ISIS, MB, Iran's nuclear program, and so on. Not an Obama-GOP issue. Just Obama.
3. Reagan and Bush both mistakenly accepted amnesty (small #'s) for promised border security. Libs got amnesty, nobody ever got border security. Complete lie to portray Reagan and Bush as pro-amnesty. They actually compromised, which Obama never will.
4. Several backdoor ammo forays and feints. A lot of dirty work done by dickheads like Bloomberg, Deblazio, Brown, Feinstein, etc. Luckily it all failed. No effort to crack down on criminals with guns, only non-criminals and their guns. Actually, criminals put up on a heroic pedestal with Martin, Brown, Garner, Ferguson.

[AndyJackson]

. . . nah, no whining, just not taking any shit from punks and pukes.

Still just flapping your gums, while offering nothing in rebuttal but your own "shit."

Childish fuckery.

[AndyJackson]

I'd say childish fuckery, but I can't even tell if you're being cute, vapid, snarky, or what. Maybe it just makes you happy ? I'm OK with that.

[Boatrocker]

Childish fuckery.

Well, that gives us a hint what sort of images lurk in the moldy corners of your twisted little psyche.
Not that anyone here is surprised . . . .

[O Really]

1. Obamacare is not nationalized healthcare or health insurance, silly wabbit. In fact, most single payer systems - like all industrialized democracies have while spending 1/2 to 2/3 per capita for comparable outcomes - are not nationalized.
2. Applies more, as much or as little to the GOP.
3. Obama has jailed and deported more than anyone before him.
4. Gun laws have loosened.

Yes, they can't help bringing up buzz words nobody used. Did I say "amnesty?" Bottom line, Obama hasn't done - emphasis "done" much different from his Republican predecessors. Whatever Reagan and Bush's motive, they set forth a program leading to legality. They may have done so with nose held, I don't know. But as another Republican presidential candidate stated so succinctly, "if you build an 18 ft. wall, you create a big market for 19ft. ladders" (paraphrased, but close)

If the US really wanted to cut down illegal immigration, it wouldn't worry so much about physical borders and simply shut down any business and jail any individual who hired an illegal. Like that's going to happen. They're too important to the economy.

[neoplacebo]

I read the other day in the wingnut portion of the press that "illegal immigrants are receiving tens of thousands of dollars in tax credits." I wonder how they know that. I myself, if I were an illegal immigrant, would lie low, probably not file tax forms, probably not try to register to vote, probably not even join a forum and attempt to engage in intelligent discourse with wingnut refugees. A lot of times the smartest girl in the room is the one who keeps her mouth shut. The girls with the biggest mouths actually realize this but pretend not to, as it would shatter those girls worlds. It's tragic, really, but true.

[O Really]

I read the other day in the wingnut portion of the press that "illegal immigrants are receiving tens of thousands of dollars in tax credits." I wonder how they know that. I myself, if I were an illegal immigrant, would lie low, probably not file tax forms, probably not try to register to vote, probably not even join a forum and attempt to engage in intelligent discourse with wingnut refugees. A lot of times the smartest girl in the room is the one who keeps her mouth shut. The girls with the biggest mouths actually realize this but pretend not to, as it would shatter those girls worlds. It's tragic, really, but true.

That's not exactly true, even by wingnut standards. (shocked - I'm shocked I say!) If the illegal immigrant jumps through the required hoops, gets a real social security number, and files proper taxes - and if at that point they're eligible for earned income credit like anybody else, then they could get it. Of course, by that time they're not really "illegal immigrants." They're "formerly illegal immigrants."

[AndyJackson]

Childish fuckery.

Well, that gives us a hint what sort of images lurk in the moldy corners of your twisted little psyche.
Not that anyone here is surprised . . . .

awww.....childish word games. When "racist" and "misogynist" run out of steam, find a way to hint at "pedophile". Now of course, to come full circle, you will quickly say "I didn't say that haha you thought it your fault haha".

Do you not even realize that you're supposed to be embarrassed by useless, worthless, pointless tripe like this ? Is your whole world immersed in it ?

[AndyJackson]

Clarification of the above:

1. Obamacare is not nationalized healthcare or health insurance, silly wabbit. In fact, most single payer systems - like all industrialized democracies but ours have while spending 1/2 to 2/3 per capita for comparable outcomes - are not nationalized. And, we're not even close to a single payer system let alone a nationalized one.

It's nationalized, or federalized, when enough regulations and legislation inhibit businesses' ability to operate independently. We are there. "Nuh-uh" doesn't prove that we aren't.

The capitalist system gave America the greatest technology, innovation, and accessibility to healthcare, ever, in the world. And yes, it has been misused and abuse all over the place. But it has still created quality and availability better than any other govt or social system.

To decide that this must be changed to socialist or marxist delivery methods to assuage envy and jealousy, is folly. No enforced equality has ever innovated or created what America has.

[AndyJackson]

I read the other day in the wingnut portion of the press that "illegal immigrants are receiving tens of thousands of dollars in tax credits." I wonder how they know that. I myself, if I were an illegal immigrant, would lie low, probably not file tax forms, probably not try to register to vote, probably not even join a forum and attempt to engage in intelligent discourse with wingnut refugees. A lot of times the smartest girl in the room is the one who keeps her mouth shut. The girls with the biggest mouths actually realize this but pretend not to, as it would shatter those girls worlds. It's tragic, really, but true.

aw, you sweetheart you. Are you saving me, by not shattering my world ? The high-end terminology such as wingnut, wingnutty, and wingnuttery.....surely leaves me paralyzed regarding the intellectual whirlwind that will soon shatter me.

Cluck cluck, tsk tsk, tragic, really. You've gone from brilliant girl to clucking old lady in one short post. That's a helluva range of character there.

You really think that there aren't illegals using false SS #'s, to avail themselves of various systems / programs / benefits ?

[AndyJackson]

1. Obamacare is not nationalized healthcare or health insurance, silly wabbit. In fact, most single payer systems - like all industrialized democracies have while spending 1/2 to 2/3 per capita for comparable outcomes - are not nationalized.
2. Applies more, as much or as little to the GOP.
3. Obama has jailed and deported more than anyone before him.
4. Gun laws have loosened.

Yes, they can't help bringing up buzz words nobody used. Did I say "amnesty?" Bottom line, Obama hasn't done - emphasis "done" much different from his Republican predecessors. Whatever Reagan and Bush's motive, they set forth a program leading to legality. They may have done so with nose held, I don't know. But as another Republican presidential candidate stated so succinctly, "if you build an 18 ft. wall, you create a big market for 19ft. ladders" (paraphrased, but close)

If the US really wanted to cut down illegal immigration, it wouldn't worry so much about physical borders and simply shut down any business and jail any individual who hired an illegal. Like that's going to happen. They're too important to the economy.

You think we shouldn't secure borders because of a joke about ladders ?

Have you noticed that virtually all other countries in the world secure their borders ? Especially Mexico, lol. And those who had / have walls......had remarkable success with them ? That is, if you don't just declare all walls "evil and oppressive".

Is the US supposed the be the only country in the world that gladly accepts crime, terrorism, squalor, disease, insurrection from invading non-citizens.....to make some beautiful point about wonderfulness and love and sweetness ? Well, a lot of countries in europe are doing this with muslims, lol. But the wheels are coming off that bus in a hurry....enjoy.

And curiously, I agree with your point about business and hiring illegals. They should be squashed, and the jobs made available back to citizens.

I just don't agree with your 1-dimensional blame for nothing but evil corporations, evil CEO's, and evil rich.

[Boatrocker]

Childish fuckery.

Well, that gives us a hint what sort of images lurk in the moldy corners of your twisted little psyche.
Not that anyone here is surprised . . . .

awww.....childish word games. When "racist" and "misogynist" run out of steam, find a way to hint at "pedophile". Now of course, to come full circle, you will quickly say "I didn't say that haha you thought it your fault haha".

Do you not even realize that you're supposed to be embarrassed by useless, worthless, pointless tripe like this ? Is your whole world immersed in it ?

And still nothing from you but wingnut blather and freudian slips. The worthless, pointless tripe is yours, pederast.

[AndyJackson]

Childish fuckery.

Well, that gives us a hint what sort of images lurk in the moldy corners of your twisted little psyche.
Not that anyone here is surprised . . . .

awww.....childish word games. When "racist" and "misogynist" run out of steam, find a way to hint at "pedophile". Now of course, to come full circle, you will quickly say "I didn't say that haha you thought it your fault haha".

Do you not even realize that you're supposed to be embarrassed by useless, worthless, pointless tripe like this ? Is your whole world immersed in it ?

And still nothing from you but wingnut blather and freudian slips. The worthless, pointless tripe is yours, pederast.

I was starting to think that you guys had nothing beyond -

-racist
-sexist / misogynist
-homophobe
-xenophobe
-islamophobe

Thank goodness you have rounded out to include pederast and its variants. Don't you even want a world larger than this ?

I should admit to my earlier misogynist malfeasance. I discounted the women yet again. Instead of saying 99 / 100 of you liberals are pussies, I should have said 99/100 are women or guys who act like women. Important distinction, my apologies.

As I expected, I've gotten a good sampling of what's here....folks who quickly stumble off into "PEDERAST !" & "FUCK YOUR FATHER !"

O'Really looks to be the only one over the mental age of 16.

[Boatrocker]

. . . O'Really looks to be the only one over the mental age of 16.

Irony flies right over your pointy little racist misogynist nazi pedophile retard head, don't it? When you offer something rising to the level of even a 16 year old, maybe you'll receive something of substance in return. In the meantime, you'll be treated like the fucktard wingnut your posts indicate that you wish to be treated as.

Beastialty. You're probably guilty of that, too. If sex with children is on your radar, theres little doubt that you've buggered small animals.

[neoplacebo]

I was starting to think that you guys had nothing beyond -

-racist
-sexist / misogynist
-homophobe
-xenophobe
-islamophobe

Thank goodness you have rounded out to include pederast and its variants. Don't you even want a world larger than this ?

I should admit to my earlier misogynist malfeasance. I discounted the women yet again. Instead of saying 99 / 100 of you liberals are pussies, I should have said 99/100 are women or guys who act like women. Important distinction, my apologies.

As I expected, I've gotten a good sampling of what's here....folks who quickly stumble off into "PEDERAST !" & "FUCK YOUR FATHER !"

O'Really looks to be the only one over the mental age of 16.

As I recall, Andy, you were the one to initially broach the subject of familial dysfunction and familial insult. I can play that, too, even though I would call it "childish fuckery" myself. When a person engages in that sort of thing, it tends to give the impression that that is the level of intellect the person stating it must prefer or only be capable of. If this is not the case with you, I apologize for thinking so, but the fact remains that you initiated it. I'm done with it myself unless you persist in it, which I will tire of it anyway since I don't much care for "childish fuckery". Besides, it's only a temporary diversion. And I have a lot beyond the terms you list above; I've not used any of them in my posts here as far as I know. I do use "wingnut" now and then and will probably continue to do so as long as there's wingnuts to laugh at. Some of the former and deceased Republican politicians would not even be accepted in the party as it exists today; and it's because of the wingnut faction, which for some reason has intimidated the members of the party that are reasonable. Why that has come to be is called "wingnuttery."

[neoplacebo]

I read the other day in the wingnut portion of the press that "illegal immigrants are receiving tens of thousands of dollars in tax credits." I wonder how they know that. I myself, if I were an illegal immigrant, would lie low, probably not file tax forms, probably not try to register to vote, probably not even join a forum and attempt to engage in intelligent discourse with wingnut refugees. A lot of times the smartest girl in the room is the one who keeps her mouth shut. The girls with the biggest mouths actually realize this but pretend not to, as it would shatter those girls worlds. It's tragic, really, but true.

aw, you sweetheart you. Are you saving me, by not shattering my world ? The high-end terminology such as wingnut, wingnutty, and wingnuttery.....surely leaves me paralyzed regarding the intellectual whirlwind that will soon shatter me.

Cluck cluck, tsk tsk, tragic, really. You've gone from brilliant girl to clucking old lady in one short post. That's a helluva range of character there.

You really think that there aren't illegals using false SS #'s, to avail themselves of various systems / programs / benefits ?

I will pretend the childish fuckery isn't there. If there are illegals using false SS numbers, I think the number of them is quite small. SS numbers are assigned by the government. If an illegal got mine and applied for anything, he would only find out I'm not eligible at present for anything. A fake number made up by an illegal would maybe last a few months before it was discovered to be fake. And besides, if you were an illegal, would you engage in actions that tie you to a specific name and address just to get benefits that are less than what you could make doing manual labor and not paying tax on the money you make? Seems to me the working and making money and remaining anonymous would be much preferable; unless you just want to get caught. There was a scandal not too long ago here in NC in which a department worker in the drivers license office was selling fake driver licenses. But they got caught relatively quickly, and I've yet to receive any benefits from having a NC drivers license.

[Mr.B]

"O'Really looks to be the only one over the mental age of 16."

In so many words, that's what I said on page 2......

"I will say this about O Really though; he's probably the most civil one you'll "debate" with here. Although his views are mostly opposite of mine, he does keep an open mind; not like the majority of others here who have a "my way or no way" mindset, or "we're more intelligent than you"

O Really gives me grief at times, but he's OK in my book. :thumbsup:

[neoplacebo]

I read the other day in the wingnut portion of the press that "illegal immigrants are receiving tens of thousands of dollars in tax credits." I wonder how they know that. I myself, if I were an illegal immigrant, would lie low, probably not file tax forms, probably not try to register to vote, probably not even join a forum and attempt to engage in intelligent discourse with wingnut refugees. A lot of times the smartest girl in the room is the one who keeps her mouth shut. The girls with the biggest mouths actually realize this but pretend not to, as it would shatter those girls worlds. It's tragic, really, but true.

That's not exactly true, even by wingnut standards. (shocked - I'm shocked I say!) If the illegal immigrant jumps through the required hoops, gets a real social security number, and files proper taxes - and if at that point they're eligible for earned income credit like anybody else, then they could get it. Of course, by that time they're not really "illegal immigrants." They're "formerly illegal immigrants."

Yeah, but I just commented on some wingnut article I had read. But when I try to think like an illegal immigrant, I just don't really know what I'd do, especially if I didn't speak the language "good." I sure as hell don't think I'd go and announce myself to the system even by assuming another person's SS number, nor would I "apply" for one. I would not register to vote or in any way announce myself to the authorities. Maybe ignorance and or desperation plays into it to a large degree. I would think I would only be here (or in any foreign nation) for purposes of making money and only me and my boss knowing about it.

[O Really]

It's harder to get a fake SSN to work than it used to be, and it doesn't usually take very long for a stolen one to be caught. The employer is supposed to see an original SS card if s/he is using it for the I-9,or maybe some other papers are fake. Anyway, what does the employer do with an SSN? Has to report it for tax deduction. So even if the illegal gets by with a stolen or fake SSN for a while, s/he's still paying taxes with no chance of receiving the benefits. And, of course, risking getting caught.