The Science Thread!

[O Really]

Hi, Billy! Sounds like fun!

We were on the Oclawaha River ... you were quite close to my neck of the woods.

You did present an example of one of the many items we pondered while alternately paddling and floating: the Withlacoochee is yet another Florida river which flows North.

I've 'yaked most of the rivers in central to north Florida, and probably at or close to the top of the list of favorites is the Rainbow. Also the Santa Fe out of Blue Springs, especially in winter when the manatees are around, and the Suwanee out of Manatee Springs.

[homerfobe]

Hi, Billy! Sounds like fun! You did present an example of one of the many items we pondered while alternately paddling and floating..

A turd floating in the water?

[mike]

...We were on the Oclawaha River ... you were quite close to my neck of the woods.

You did present an example of one of the many items we pondered while alternately paddling and floating: the Withlacoochee is yet another Florida river which flows North.

Is that why liberals kayak on them?

Hmmm, I hadn't pondered that thought ... until now ...

[mike]

I've 'yaked most of the rivers in central to north Florida, and probably at or close to the top of the list of favorites is the Rainbow. Also the Santa Fe out of Blue Springs, especially in winter when the manatees are around, and the Suwanee out of Manatee Springs.

I've heard many good things about the Rainbow River but it's a bit more of a drive from my house to there than it is to the Ocklawaha.

I have been on the Rainbow River, though in a rented pontoon and not on a kayak, and the Manatees were, indeed, quite numerous and great to see.

I haven't been on the Santa Fe but it, too, I've heard much about.

Glad to see yet another has been in my neck of the woods.

[mike]

...turd...

Whaddya expect ... he has too many memories of Santorum ...

[O Really]

Glad to see yet another has been in my neck of the woods.

Resident for about 25 years. Miami, Tampa, and Ponte Vedra Beach. The Rainbow is worth the drive. It's deeper than most rivers, but crystal clear. Deep sinkholes with large fish swimming around in them. We also enjoy going up to the Okefenokee out of Stephen Foster Park. One of the best paddles ever was on a misty wet rainy day when nobody was out but us and some gators longer than our 'yaks.

[Wneglia]

Eat Shit and Live

[Stinger]

Hi, Billy! Sounds like fun!

We were on the Oclawaha River ... you were quite close to my neck of the woods.

You did present an example of one of the many items we pondered while alternately paddling and floating: the Withlacoochee is yet another Florida river which flows North.

Q: Why does the St. Johns flow north?

A: Because Georgia sucks.

[Stinger]

Glad to see yet another has been in my neck of the woods.

Resident for about 25 years. Miami, Tampa, and Ponte Vedra Beach. The Rainbow is worth the drive. It's deeper than most rivers, but crystal clear. Deep sinkholes with large fish swimming around in them. We also enjoy going up to the Okefenokee out of Stephen Foster Park. One of the best paddles ever was on a misty wet rainy day when nobody was out but us and some gators longer than our 'yaks.

None of them are crystal clear anymore. Too much nitrate in the water.

The Itchetucknee was the gem of the state. A four-hour tube through some of the most beautiful land in Florida.

[Stinger]

Eat Shit and Live

I don't know which article you linked, but I've read several about that lately.

Have you run across articles about worm treatments for autoimmune diseases like MS and others?

[O Really]

Glad to see yet another has been in my neck of the woods.

Resident for about 25 years. Miami, Tampa, and Ponte Vedra Beach. The Rainbow is worth the drive. It's deeper than most rivers, but crystal clear. Deep sinkholes with large fish swimming around in them. We also enjoy going up to the Okefenokee out of Stephen Foster Park. One of the best paddles ever was on a misty wet rainy day when nobody was out but us and some gators longer than our 'yaks.

None of them are crystal clear anymore. Too much nitrate in the water.

The Itchetucknee was the gem of the state. A four-hour tube through some of the most beautiful land in Florida.

Yeah, I've taken that tube ride. But the Rainbow was still clear as recently as five or so years ago. Sorry to hear it's not. Damn, I was looking forward to taking it again this spring.

[Stinger]

Glad to see yet another has been in my neck of the woods.

Resident for about 25 years. Miami, Tampa, and Ponte Vedra Beach. The Rainbow is worth the drive. It's deeper than most rivers, but crystal clear. Deep sinkholes with large fish swimming around in them. We also enjoy going up to the Okefenokee out of Stephen Foster Park. One of the best paddles ever was on a misty wet rainy day when nobody was out but us and some gators longer than our 'yaks.

None of them are crystal clear anymore. Too much nitrate in the water.

The Itchetucknee was the gem of the state. A four-hour tube through some of the most beautiful land in Florida.

Yeah, I've taken that tube ride. But the Rainbow was still clear as recently as five or so years ago. Sorry to hear it's not. Damn, I was looking forward to taking it again this spring.

It may be clear enough to enjoy. Manatee Springs is nothing like it used to be. Kings Bay in Crystal River is cloudy as hell. They're taking over Silver Springs as a state park, and everyone's making a big deal about water quality.

On top of the nitrates, some Canadian billionaire bought 60,000 acres of land, 30,000 of it in the Silver Springs basin and has applied for water permits for hundreds of wells to pump excessive water to grow green grass for his planned extensive herds of black angus. When they met with the water district staff original, they asked about pumping 27 million gallons per day. They finally applied for a permit to pump 13.267 million gallons per day.

There was an uproar. Now, they're down to asking for 5.3 million gallons per day. And stalling and playing games.

Too ****ing many people. Too ****ing many cows. Too ****ing much nitrate in the water.

Don't bow out of a Rainbow trip on my say so.

[O Really]

It sounds like same ol' same ol' in my old home state, Stinger. And that's not a good thing. I was always convinced that they'd never be satisfied until every square foot of Florida was concrete and there were no gaps between strip malls. But no, the Rainbow would be a fun paddle even if it were the color of the Suwanee, but I did enjoy the deep holes. Problem with Florida is that while it's been able to withstand a lot of abuse over the years through over-development, land-raping, and swamp-filling, it keeps challenging its existence by keeping people like Scott in office.

[mike]

It sounds like same ol' same ol' in my old home state, Stinger. And that's not a good thing. I was always convinced that they'd never be satisfied until every square foot of Florida was concrete and there were no gaps between strip malls. But no, the Rainbow would be a fun paddle even if it were the color of the Suwanee, but I did enjoy the deep holes. Problem with Florida is that while it's been able to withstand a lot of abuse over the years through over-development, land-raping, and swamp-filling, it keeps challenging its existence by keeping people like Scott in office.

Well said. We have this going on now right on the Ocklawaha and Silver Springs

Main Spring, Blue Grotto, and The Abyss are collectively known as The Silver Springs Group and form the headwater of the Silver River. Below the head spring area, numerous smaller springs add additional discharge within the first half-mile of the Silver River. This scenic river is the single largest tributary of the Ocklawaha River.

... it's no wonder the current owner wants to give up 4 million to give it back to whoever wants it.

Speaking of nitrate run-off, this doesn't help ...

St. Johns' latest request focuses on specifics of potential water withdrawal and how the farm would dispose of animal waste from about 17,000 cows.

[bannination]

Off the current topic, but major mystery solved: Why our fingers wrinkle when wet.

[Wneglia]

Eat Shit and Live

I don't know which article you linked, but I've read several about that lately.

Have you run across articles about worm treatments for autoimmune diseases like MS and others?

Sorry about the news item link not working. Here is an abstract of the original paper in the New England Journal of Medicine

I have seen articles about Helminthic therapy but I'm not sure I would do it for Hayfever.

[Wneglia]

Beam me up, Scottie

[Stinger]

I have seen articles about Helminthic therapy but I'm not sure I would do it for Hayfever.

The hay fever I've seen some people suffering with might make me consider it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23298637

And actual studies are underway as we speak.

[bannination]

The most dangerous place on earth? Fascinating answers.

[Wneglia]

Any volunteers?