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GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:15 am
That is crazy.
Yep.

Merry xmas, Putin:
Photos of destroyed Novocherkassk landing ship emerge

... Quote: "In the satellite image taken on the morning of 24 December the large landing ship is indicated by a frame. The other image shows its wreckage [after the attack – ed.]." ...

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Hard to tell that it was once a ship.



This is what it should look like:

Russian landing ship Novocherkassk

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Displacement
2,768 long tons (2,812 t) standard
4,012 long tons (4,076 t) full load
Length 112.5 m (369 ft 1 in)
Beam 15.01 m (49 ft 3 in)
Draught 4.26 m (14 ft 0 in)

Capacity 10 × main battle tanks and 340 troops or 12 × BTR APC and 340 troops or 3 × main battle tanks, 3 × 2S9 Nona-S SPG, 5 × MT-LB APC, 4 trucks and 313 troops or 500 tons of cargo
Complement 98
Big loss for Putin. Russian ships are just not safe in the Black Sea.
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Big loss for Putin. Russian ships are just not safe in the Black Sea.
Two Russian warships flee occupied Feodosia after Ukrainian attack destroys landing ship Novocherkassk
:wave: :wave:

Half of the Russian amphibious assault capacity destroyed, says Commander of the Ukrainian Navy
"three large landing ships ... including the Novocherkassk, and several landing boats"
Opps.

Ukraine has already destroyed 20% of Russia’s famed Black Sea Fleet in effort to liberate Crimea
That's incredible.


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Modern warfare really might have negated naval warfare, at least anything approaching near shore.

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Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:30 am
Modern warfare really might have negated naval warfare, at least anything approaching near shore.

https://twitter.com/AdamKinzinger/statu ... 2430541087
Incredible video, thanks. We can even see the anti-drone gunfire striking the surface of the water, not to mention the moments of impact, the ship's list, and perhaps even its stern-first sinking. Most comprehensive naval video I've seen yet.
On the night of January 31-February 1, 2024, soldiers of the Group 13 special unit of the Intelligence of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine destroyed the Ivanovets missile boat of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. The enemy vessel was on the roadstead of Lake Donuzlav in the temporarily occupied Crimea.

As a result of a number of direct hits the Russian ship sustained damage incompatible with further movement - the Ivanovets sank.

The cost of the ship lost by the aggressor state is approximately $60-70 million dollars.

According to preliminary information, the search and rescue operation of the Russian occupiers in Donuzlav was unsuccessful.

The operation was made possible with the support of the Ministry of Digital Transformation of Ukraine and the United24 platform," the intelligence officers said.
FYI,
A roadstead (or roads – the earlier form) is a body of water sheltered from rip currents, spring tides, or ocean swell where ships can lie reasonably safely at anchor without dragging or snatching. It can be open or natural, usually estuary-based, or may be created artificially. In maritime law, it is described as a "known general station for ships, notoriously used as such, and distinguished by the name".
5 years at sea and I never heard the word -0-?
Lake Donuzlav (Russian: Донузлав), also referred to as Donuzlav Bay, is the deepest lake of Crimea (27 m, 89 ft) and biggest in Chornomorske Raion (47 km2, 18 sq mi). It is a protected landscape and recreational park of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.

In practice it is no longer a lake but rather a bay since 1961, when a sandy spit (200–400 m, 660–1,310 ft wide) separating it from the Black Sea was dug out with a 200-metre width channel....

Overview

Donuzlav is well known for a top secret naval base that was established here in 1960s as the Soviet Crimean Naval Base.... Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the base was passed to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and was one of the three main naval bases as the Southern Naval Base (Ukraine). After the Russian annexation of Crimea in 2014 the base was occupied by the Russian military that reinstated its previous name....
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Magnification x 2 at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donuzlav# ... akeMap.png

Not such a protected "roadstead" anymore :doh:
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Former Mongolian President Mocks Putin’s Historical Claims with Empire Map

Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia — In a bold response to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s historical justifications for the invasion of Ukraine, Mongolia’s former president, Tsakhia Elbegdorj, took to social media to share a map highlighting the vast extent of the Mongol Empire. The move comes after Putin has relied on historical narratives to argue that Ukraine is rightfully part of Russia.

Elbegdorj, who served as Mongolia’s president from 2009 to 2017 and also held the position of prime minister, mocked Putin’s historical assertions by presenting maps showcasing the once-mighty Mongol Empire. The maps illustrated how the Mongol Empire, which was the largest in the world, once controlled substantial parts of what is now Russia....
Mongol Tsakhia ELBEGDORJ

After Putin’s talk. I found Mongolian historic map. Don’t worry. We are a peaceful and free nation 🌏

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:lol: Bring back the Mongol Empire!
... In his recent interview with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson, Putin outlined a historical narrative spanning centuries to justify Russia’s actions in Ukraine. However, historians have criticized the accuracy of many aspects of Putin’s historical account....

While Mongolia’s government has not explicitly condemned Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, it has not expressed support either. Elbegdorj, on the other hand, has been vocal in his backing of Ukraine. In February 2023, he emphasized the importance of democracies supporting Ukraine, stating, “The world’s democracies must rally with even greater resolve to declare that freedom is non-negotiable, and to give Ukraine the weapons it needs to win.”

Elbegdorj also shared insights into Putin’s mindset, describing him as someone who “does not tolerate freedom” and expressing concern over Putin’s aversion to a free Ukraine, which he views as a threat to his regime....
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:30 am
Modern warfare really might have negated naval warfare, at least anything approaching near shore.

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Happy Valentine's Day, Vlad
-- Yours, Ukraine



Ukraine sinks Russia’s Ceasar Kunikov warship in the Black Sea using Magura boat drones

It must be terrifying to be a Russian sailor in the western Black Sea. You don't even get to fight a battle and death comes without warning. It was not a small ship:
Russian ship Caesar Kunikov

... large landing ship (Bol'shoy Desantnyy Korabl) of the Russian Navy that was reported sunk by the Ukrainian GUR on Valentine's Day 2024, the same day as the death of her namesake, Caesar Lvovich Kunikov, 81 years earlier.
Wow, brilliant intel, Ukraine!
Out of service 14 February 2024 :lol:
Displacement
2,768 long tons (2,812 t) standard
4,012 long tons (4,076 t) full load
Length 112.5 m (369 ft 1 in)
Beam 15.01 m (49 ft 3 in)
Draught 4.26 m (14 ft 0 in)
Capacity
10 × main battle tanks and 340 troops or 12 × BTR APC and 340 troops or 3 × main battle tanks, 3 × 2S9 Nona-S SPG, 5 × MT-LB APC, 4 trucks and 313 troops or 500 tons of cargo
Complement 98
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Is the Russian Navy so incompetent they can't see drone boats coming and take defensive action?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAGURA_V5
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Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:28 am
:happy-cheerleaderkid:

Is the Russian Navy so incompetent they can't see drone boats coming and take defensive action?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAGURA_V5
Your last video showed apparently ineffective fire at a drone.
-0-? but:
Length: 5.5 m
Gross weight: < 1000 kg

Can be put on a trailer and launched from anywhere.
Payload: up to 200 kg
That's as much as "The world’s deadliest torpedoes"
Maximum speed: 78 km/h
47mph is VERY fast at sea.

The Moon was a Waxing Crescent 29.3%, and set at 10:49 pm, anyhow.
It was Cloudy.
The low profile and darkness make it difficult to see.
The low profile and possible stealth tech make it difficult to spot with radar.
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Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:37 am
GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:28 am
:happy-cheerleaderkid:

Is the Russian Navy so incompetent they can't see drone boats coming and take defensive action?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAGURA_V5
Your last video showed apparently ineffective fire at a drone.
-0-? but:
Length: 5.5 m
Gross weight: < 1000 kg

Can be put on a trailer and launched from anywhere.
Payload: up to 200 kg
That's as much as "The world’s deadliest torpedoes"
Maximum speed: 78 km/h
47mph is VERY fast at sea.

The Moon was a Waxing Crescent 29.3%, and set at 10:49 pm, anyhow.
It was Cloudy.
The low profile and darkness make it difficult to see.
The low profile and possible stealth tech make it difficult to spot with radar.
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Still, sonar should have alerted them something was nearby and spotlights should be lighting it up and a version of phalanx should be blasting. -0-?

That's a serious fail, the US has been shooting down anti ship missiles in the Red Sea.
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Still, sonar should have alerted them something was nearby and spotlights should be lighting it up and a version of phalanx should be blasting. -0-?

That's a serious fail, the US has been shooting down anti ship missiles in the Red Sea.
Could be. Passive sonar depends on the drone's engine noise relative to ambient noise from chop and non-threat shipping.

We're not hearing about successful Russian defensive actions against anti-ship missiles and sea and airborne drones, if there are any -0-?

Edit: Just heard on BBC that the Russians are boasting about shooting down 6 drones over the Black Sea.

This war has proved that Russia is lacking in many ways. I think it's a given that US forces are superior across the board. Russian military spending was $86B in 2022, a jump from $66B in 2021.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/120 ... re-russia/
Of course, much of this outlay is being rapidly turned into blood and scrap metal in Ukraine. US military spending in 2022 was $877B.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/272 ... 0-to-2012/
The US should be an order of magnitude superior.

Edit: If the Russians are not able to protect their ships, the "serious fail" is in putting them in harm's way
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:28 am
:happy-cheerleaderkid:

Is the Russian Navy so incompetent they can't see drone boats coming and take defensive action?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAGURA_V5
GoCubsGo wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:57 pm
Still, sonar should have alerted them something was nearby and spotlights should be lighting it up and a version of phalanx should be blasting. -0-?

That's a serious fail, the US has been shooting down anti ship missiles in the Red Sea.
This article speaks directly to your posts:
History has been made as ballistic missiles finally used against warships for real

Two days ago the head of the US Navy, Admiral Lisa Franchetti, publicly praised the performance of her people in the Red Sea for shooting down more than 70 drones, seven cruise missiles, and “for the first time in history, 14 anti-ship ballistic missiles” (ASBMs).

She also conceded that a few weapons had made it through the screen and hit commercial shipping causing damage and fires but thankfully, no fatalities.

Admiral Franchettti also mentioned that a US Marine pilot flying a Harrier jump jet from the USS Bataan – the USMC, unlike Britain, still has Harriers – has shot down seven drones, which makes him the first American fighter ace since the Vietnam War. Or at least it would if they had been crewed. Denied by a technicality, but impressive nonetheless.

A few hours after Admiral Franchetti’s speech, footage started to emerge of yet another Russian Black Sea Fleet ship being hit and sunk by surface drones. This time it was the landing ship Caesar Kunikov, the fourth of its type to have been destroyed since the start of the full-on war in Ukraine.

So, on the one hand, we have the US Navy providing a master class in carrier and escort-based air defence, with the air wings of carrier USS Eisenhower – Ike – and big-deck amphibious ship USS Bataan providing the fighters, and Aegis combat system warships armed with Standard Missiles proving their worth again and again against the weapons the jets didn’t stop.

And on the other, we have the Russian navy, seemingly unable to defend itself from a fairly unsophisticated surface threat and as the war grinds on, not getting any better either.

... If the basics of layered defence are in place, a properly organised group of warships can provide an enormous level of protection to the point where getting to the high-value units (normally including the carrier itself) is nearly impossible. However, if key things are not in place, or you’re not paying attention or you can’t shoot straight, then the defences can fail....

In the case of the surface drone threat proving so effective far away in the Black Sea, this really isn’t new. In fact nothing in the Black Sea is revolutionising naval warfare in the way some suggest. Western navies have been practising for decades against the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) fast attack craft threat, many of which are also now uncrewed. As with missiles, early detection is key, particularly if there is a swarm, and then speed and manoeuvre are your greatest allies. There is the added advantage of being able to jam the uplink providing you have the right kit onboard.

The problem in the Gulf is that the IRGC swarm at passing warships all the time and then pull away at the last minute. It’s a game of holding one’s nerve and it isn’t a huge amount of fun to play. However, if the Houthis muster a swarm attack, and it manages to get out to sea, there will be no such doubts and the jets will probably leave nothing for the warships to do.

There are no absolutes in war but it’s safe to say that if you have all the layers in place, and you are worked up and on top of your game as the US and Royal Navies are in the Red Sea, then attacking a naval task force is very hard. If you don’t have the layers, and your systems are either not very good or not even in use – as with the Russians in the Black Sea – then you can be defeated by simple and unsophisticated threats....

In the meantime, carriers and crewed warships are not obsolete. Well run and with the right layers in place, they remain very hard to defeat. If you’re not paying attention and these layers are absent, then they are less so. The Royal Navy and the US Navy are operating at the left end of this continuum in the Red Sea. The Russians in the Black Sea are on the right. A fight in the China Sea would stretch the US Navy, for sure, but by no means as much as the people who have already written off carriers would imagine.

Tom Sharpe commanded four different Royal Navy warships, including a surface combatant, and was a specialist anti-air warfare officer....
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Good article, thx.
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Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:15 pm
Good article, thx.
Yeah, very informative about New War. De nada.

The Kremlin has never been richer – thanks to a US strategic partner

Russia is entering its third year of war in Ukraine with an unprecedented amount of cash in government coffers, bolstered by a record $37 billion of crude oil sales to India last year, according to new analysis, which concludes that some of the crude was refined by India and then exported to the United States as oil products worth more than $1 billion....
Planet screwed by the global oil addiction, again. :roll: :angry-cussing:
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How the Czech Republic has just stopped Putin cold and saved Ukraine

... The Czechs found, for Ukraine, nearly a million shells precisely when Ukraine needed those million shells the most: at the peak of Russia’s winter offensive. It’s not an exaggeration to say that the Czech artillery initiative probably saved entire Ukrainian cities, by giving the Ukrainian army the firepower to resist a much bigger Russian army....
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Interesting, and not wrong.

The question may become, once the primaries are over are any of the House going to find their conscience and patriotism.

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GoCubsGo wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:43 pm
Interesting, and not wrong.

The question may become, once the primaries are over are any of the House going to find their conscience and patriotism.

https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/sta ... 2508293455
Overall - Yes
GQP - Hardly
Ukraine Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2024

Republican: 101 Yeas, 112 Nays, 1 PRES, 4 NV
Democratic: 210 Yeas, 3 NV
Independent
TOTALS: 311 Yeas, 112 Nays, 1 PRES, 7 NV
My Rep Edwards voted Yea :thumbup:
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