Trump on Trial

[GoCubsGo]

So what would the reaction among various groups be if Biden told Trump he would pardon him if he dropped out of the race? Would that be "selling" a pardon? Good politics? Futile effort?

Ask Gerald Ford.

[O Really]

So what would the reaction among various groups be if Biden told Trump he would pardon him if he dropped out of the race? Would that be "selling" a pardon? Good politics? Futile effort?

Ask Gerald Ford.

Well, there are substantial differences, not to mention an entirely different American culture.

[GoCubsGo]

So what would the reaction among various groups be if Biden told Trump he would pardon him if he dropped out of the race? Would that be "selling" a pardon? Good politics? Futile effort?

Ask Gerald Ford.

Well, there are substantial differences, not to mention an entirely different American culture.

Very much so, but I think the reception would still be frosty.

I personally would be extremely pissed to see him skate (although possible the way he's manipulating the system).

Country of laws and all that.

[O Really]

I'm not pro-pardon, but for sake of discussion, I'd suggest there is more than one definition of "skate." If he's humiliated, tossed aside, and forced to grovel a bit, I'd not insist he be jailed (which I seriously doubt would ever happen anyway).

[Vrede too]

So what would the reaction among various groups be if Biden told Trump he would pardon him if he dropped out of the race? Would that be "selling" a pardon?

Is this something being seriously discussed or your invention?

Not only selling (without quotation marks) a pardon, a campaign finance felony, but also vile political extortion - Drop out or the full weight of DoJ comes down on your treasonous ass.

Good politics?

No. Rotten campaign trick for Joe, the ultimate sellout of MAGAts for TRE45QN.

Futile effort?

Idk. Nothing is too weird when Dolt .45 is involved.

I lean against a pardon b/c I want to see ex-PINO broke and behind bars, but I acknowledge that it might be best for the country as Nikki Heat was saying. If there's to be one from Joe it must come after the election, though.

[GoCubsGo]

Actually jailing him may be too much for the country as much as I personally would cheer.

But I do think there needs to be something more punitive. Country club house arrest ( no golf, no visitors) and the curtailment of his civil rights, especially first amendment ( as with any convicted felon) may suffice.

[Vrede too]

Actually jailing him may be too much for the country as much as I personally would cheer.

But I do think there needs to be something more punitive. Country club house arrest ( no golf, no visitors) and the curtailment of his civil rights, especially first amendment ( as with any convicted felon) may suffice.

Mandatory work release, greenskeeper, waitstaff for the Secret Service or housekeeping.

[GoCubsGo]

Actually jailing him may be too much for the country as much as I personally would cheer.

But I do think there needs to be something more punitive. Country club house arrest ( no golf, no visitors) and the curtailment of his civil rights, especially first amendment ( as with any convicted felon) may suffice.

Mandatory work release, greenskeeper, waitstaff for the Secret Service or housekeeping.

Cruel and unusual.

[GoCubsGo]

[Vrede too]

https://twitter.com/daffodilklown/statu ... 4898376867

Takeaways from the scathing ruling that allows DA Fani Willis to remain on the Trump election subversion case

“odor of mendacity" - Ouch!

Fani dodged a bullet, barely. She may have to limit her time in the courtroom lest the jury be tainted by this tawdry episode. My Dad used to say, "Don't shit where you eat."

[O Really]

It was a ridiculous lapse in professional judgement on Fani's part, but absent any evidence of actual illegality or conflict, the decision not to boot her was correct. Not that you could tell it from what they sometimes do, but lawyers who work for many municipal/state entities have really strict restrictions that the rest of the business world would find strange - particularly in regard to influence, conflicts, gifts, etc. A former colleague went to work for a county. A couple of us were working on a matter that she was involved in, so we went to her office for a meeting. We couldn't even buy a cup of coffee for our friend/former colleague or pick up her lunch tab.

[Vrede too]

It was a ridiculous lapse in professional judgement on Fani's part, but absent any evidence of actual illegality or conflict, the decision not to boot her was correct. Not that you could tell it from what they sometimes do, but lawyers who work for many municipal/state entities have really strict restrictions that the rest of the business world would find strange - particularly in regard to influence, conflicts, gifts, etc. A former colleague went to work for a county. A couple of us were working on a matter that she was involved in, so we went to her office for a meeting. We couldn't even buy a cup of coffee for our friend/former colleague or pick up her lunch tab.

Slightly related - My Mom, a low/mid level bureaucrat, understood that she was limited by the letter and spirit of the Hatch Act. This is a quaint, old fashioned perspective that has largely fallen by the wayside

[GoCubsGo]

Awwww, poor thing.

Trump has been unable to get bond for $464 million judgment, his lawyers say
In a filing to an appeals court, Trump's attorneys said getting the bond needed to halt proceedings while they appeal is a "practical impossibility."

[Vrede too]

Awwww, poor thing.

Trump has been unable to get bond for $464 million judgment, his lawyers say
In a filing to an appeals court, Trump's attorneys said getting the bond needed to halt proceedings while they appeal is a "practical impossibility."

Plane, then Tower. Either he sells or the court should.
NO mercy.

If he's lying - "If" - he'll get flushed out.

[O Really]

Supposedly the properties are heavily leveraged - there may not be enough cash in them to cover it.
NO mercy.

[Vrede too]

Supposedly the properties are heavily leveraged - there may not be enough cash in them to cover it.
NO mercy.

Plane, then Tower, then Bedminster, then Mar-a-Lago . . .
NO mercy.

[GoCubsGo]

Supposedly the properties are heavily leveraged - there may not be enough cash in them to cover it.
NO mercy.

Surprised the mortgages aren't public record.

[Vrede too]

Majority of Americans reject Trump’s immunity claim, including half of Republicans
Polls also finds that nearly half of respondents, 46% did not trust the supreme court to issue ‘a fair and nonpartisan ruling’

Seventy per cent of American voters, and 48% of Republicans, reject Donald Trump’s claim to be immune from criminal prosecution for acts committed in office, a new poll said.

In the poll from Ipsos and Politico Magazine, just 11% backed the former president and presumptive Republican nominee’s claim, as expressed in his federal election subversion case that has reached the supreme court.

“The result is a positive sign for the constitutional sensibilities of the American public,” the Politico columnist and former federal prosecutor Ankush Khardori wrote, pointing to a view widely held among law professors when he called “Trump’s argument for immunity … absurd as a matter of law, history and democratic logic.”

x 70 + most law professors. However:

... The supreme court’s approval rating remains at historic lows.

Ut-oh.

... In the Politico/Ipsos poll, 59% of respondents said Trump should stand trial in Washington in his federal election subversion case before election day....

[O Really]

..."48% of Republicans reject..."
I wonder if the half of repugs who think Trump should have immunity are thinking it's just a Trump thing and whether they would vote the same way if the question were "should Biden have total immunity for anything he does as President including having Trump disappeared"

[GoCubsGo]

..."48% of Republicans reject..."
I wonder if the half of repugs who think Trump should have immunity are thinking it's just a Trump thing and whether they would vote the same way if the question were "should Biden have total immunity for anything he does as President including having Trump disappeared"

Seriously?