Education thread

[O Really]

Sure there are differences in being a participant and being a meeting (class) leader, and differences in making a presentation vs. conducting a class for 30-something people, many/most maybe knowing more tech than you. I just got the impression, perhaps incorrectly, that this particular system was giving what seemed to be remedial instruction.

Idk enough to agree or disagree with you. I was just sharing the very little bit that my brother mentioned since it is relevant.

Fwiw, given my age and profession I have never put together a PowerPoint.

OK, maybe it's just so common in business-y settings that it seems ubiquitous. Early versions of PowerPoint came out somewhere around 90ish, and while the software was pretty straightforward, the projectors necessary for showing them were huge and expensive. But since at least early 2000's, they've been very portable and cheap. And flat-screens have gotten larger and cheaper. PowerPoint's immediate ancestors were the overhead projector and the slide projector, which hopefully are not still being used in the schools.

Anyway, I should probably pay more attention to the article/report before jumping on the soap box (something else that doesn't exist anymore)

[Vrede too]

OK, maybe it's just so common in business-y settings that it seems ubiquitous. Early versions of PowerPoint came out somewhere around 90ish, and while the software was pretty straightforward, the projectors necessary for showing them were huge and expensive. But since at least early 2000's, they've been very portable and cheap. And flat-screens have gotten larger and cheaper. PowerPoint's immediate ancestors were the overhead projector and the slide projector, which hopefully are not still being used in the schools.

Anyway, I should probably pay more attention to the article/report before jumping on the soap box (something else that doesn't exist anymore)

No worries about projectors. With remote learning the PowerPoint should go directly from teachers' computers to home screens.

Again, completely out of my wheelhouse. Some guesses:

There are teachers that are so ignorant that they should not be teaching.
Younger teachers probably should be familiar with PowerPoint or be able to easily figure it out. Older teachers maybe not.
Some teachers, especially of very young students, may have had no exposure to anything like remote learning tools. Even for the ones that have, I'll bet it's a challenge to figure out how to keep 20 remote 7 year-olds simultaneously engaged.
The teachers I've seen on TV are lamenting the lost daily 1-on-1 time that's in addition to their mass education.
Hopefully, the district/s that you read about and the webinars that I was emailed about are helping with strategies beyond just PowerPoint. That said, they probably are "remedial" for some. If so, sad but it's gotta be done so that the kids can can keep learning.
Maybe poor and unprepared teachers will be IDed or will self ID so that they can be made better down the road or pursue another field. Let's hope so.

[neoplacebo]

OK, maybe it's just so common in business-y settings that it seems ubiquitous. Early versions of PowerPoint came out somewhere around 90ish, and while the software was pretty straightforward, the projectors necessary for showing them were huge and expensive. But since at least early 2000's, they've been very portable and cheap. And flat-screens have gotten larger and cheaper. PowerPoint's immediate ancestors were the overhead projector and the slide projector, which hopefully are not still being used in the schools.

Anyway, I should probably pay more attention to the article/report before jumping on the soap box (something else that doesn't exist anymore)

No worries about projectors. With remote learning the PowerPoint should go directly from teachers' computers to home screens.

Again, completely out of my wheelhouse. Some guesses:

There are teachers that are so ignorant that they should not be teaching.
Younger teachers probably should be familiar with PowerPoint or be able to easily figure it out. Older teachers maybe not.
Some teachers, especially of very young students, may have had no exposure to anything like remote learning tools. Even for the ones that have, I'll bet it's a challenge to figure out how to keep 20 remote 7 year-olds simultaneously engaged.
The teachers I've seen on TV are lamenting the lost daily 1-on-1 time that's in addition to their mass education.
Hopefully, the district/s that you read about and the webinars that I was emailed about are helping with strategies beyond just PowerPoint. That said, they probably are "remedial" for some. If so, sad but it's gotta be done so that the kids can can keep learning.
Maybe poor and unprepared teachers will be IDed or will self ID so that they can be made better down the road or pursue another field. Let's hope so.

The cat pan's latest pet saying that he attributes to Rahm Emanuel ("never let a crisis go to waste") is actually from a quote by Paul Romer, 2018 Nobel Prize in Economics, who said in 2004 "a crisis is a terrible thing to waste." He was talking about the rapidly increasing gap between the general education level of US students and those in other countries....other countries are beating the US in education. The cat pan represents a demonstrable case that this is true. But he's so dumb he'll never know it.

[billy.pilgrim]

OK, maybe it's just so common in business-y settings that it seems ubiquitous. Early versions of PowerPoint came out somewhere around 90ish, and while the software was pretty straightforward, the projectors necessary for showing them were huge and expensive. But since at least early 2000's, they've been very portable and cheap. And flat-screens have gotten larger and cheaper. PowerPoint's immediate ancestors were the overhead projector and the slide projector, which hopefully are not still being used in the schools.

Anyway, I should probably pay more attention to the article/report before jumping on the soap box (something else that doesn't exist anymore)

No worries about projectors. With remote learning the PowerPoint should go directly from teachers' computers to home screens.

Again, completely out of my wheelhouse. Some guesses:

There are teachers that are so ignorant that they should not be teaching.
Younger teachers probably should be familiar with PowerPoint or be able to easily figure it out. Older teachers maybe not.
Some teachers, especially of very young students, may have had no exposure to anything like remote learning tools. Even for the ones that have, I'll bet it's a challenge to figure out how to keep 20 remote 7 year-olds simultaneously engaged.
The teachers I've seen on TV are lamenting the lost daily 1-on-1 time that's in addition to their mass education.
Hopefully, the district/s that you read about and the webinars that I was emailed about are helping with strategies beyond just PowerPoint. That said, they probably are "remedial" for some. If so, sad but it's gotta be done so that the kids can can keep learning.
Maybe poor and unprepared teachers will be IDed or will self ID so that they can be made better down the road or pursue another field. Let's hope so.

The cat pan's latest pet saying that he attributes to Rahm Emanuel ("never let a crisis go to waste") is actually from a quote by Paul Romer, 2018 Nobel Prize in Economics, who said in 2004 "a crisis is a terrible thing to waste." He was talking about the rapidly increasing gap between the general education level of US students and those in other countries....other countries are beating the US in education. The cat pan represents a demonstrable case that this is true. But he's so dumb he'll never know it.

and deliberately taking the quote out of context in order to alter its meaning, leaves the catmoron open to his own post being quoted with the cat's tail part about Mr. Emanuel left off; which leaves us with a 1CatFan post that clearly can be quoted with 1CATFAN posting, "Never let a crisis go to waste". Yet he clearly thinks that this is a scummy thing to say; therefore, 1CATFAN sees himself as a scummy person.

[neoplacebo]

He's a professional victim of his own design.

[1 CAT FAN]

Rahm Emanuel reprises 'never let a crisis go to waste' catchphrase amid coronavirus pandemic

“Never allow a crisis to go to waste,” Emanuel said. “Start planning for the future. This has to be the last pandemic that creates an economic depression. We're going to have more pandemics, but this has to be the last economic depression.”

Sen. Ted Cruz slammed Senate Democrats Monday, saying they are using Emanuel’s phrase to advance liberal agendas.

The Washington Examiner
March 24, 2020

[billy.pilgrim]

“Never allow a crisis to go to waste, Start planning for the future. This has to be the last pandemic that creates an economic depression. We're going to have more pandemics, but this has to be the last economic depression.”

Sen. Ted Cruz

The Washington Examiner
March 24, 2020

damn, that was easy 1cat. I feel sure that you agree that words don't require context

[1 CAT FAN]

Sen. Ted Cruz slammed Senate Democrats Monday, saying they are using Emanuel’s phrase to advance liberal agendas.

"The same quote from Rahm Emanuel, President Obama's chief of staff: 'Never let a good crisis go to waste.' Sadly, we're seeing the embodiment of that cynical approach right now. Because all the people out of jobs, the Democrats are using to push — what are they pushing for? Changing the emission standards on airplanes," the Texas Republican said.

"Mr. President, what the hell do the emissions standards on airplanes have to do with thousands of people dying and millions of people out of work in the coronavirus epidemic?" he added.

[billy.pilgrim]

Sen. Ted Cruz slammed Senate Monday, saying 'Never let a good crisis go to waste.' Sadly, we're the embodiment of that cynical approach right now. Because all the people out of jobs, Changing the emission standards on airplanes," the Texas Republican said.

"Mr. President, what the hell do the airplanes have to do with thousands of people dying and millions of people out of work?" he added.

out of context meets out of context

[neoplacebo]

Senator Ted Cruz trump whipped even after trump insulted his wife

[billy.pilgrim]

Cruz is one of the few who probably would have been a worse president than Trump.

Oh, I don't know, all the rest of them come to mind.

[O Really]

I really don't see how any of them would be worse than Trump. Early on, I thought that a competent Cruz would get more done and cause more damage, but Trump's damage is not so much in policy, decisions, or whatever. Policies can be changed, agencies rebuilt, laws enforced. But he's wreaked havoc on the relationship between government and people, made corruption seem normal, and engendered a deep dissension that will be years in improving - if ever.

[billy.pilgrim]

I really don't see how any of them would be worse than Trump. Early on, I thought that a competent Cruz would get more done and cause more damage, but Trump's damage is not so much in policy, decisions, or whatever. Policies can be changed, agencies rebuilt, laws enforced. But he's wreaked havoc on the relationship between government and people, made corruption seem normal, and engendered a deep dissension that will be years in improving - if ever.

Don't forget his lasting effects on the courts.

[1 CAT FAN]

He's angered many liberals.

[Vrede too]

I'm thinking it's possible one positive outcome from this mess could be a greater acceptance on remote learning and workplace participation overall. I continue to be aghast seeing little and medium sized kids trudging along with backpacks weighing as much as they do. I don't know what they're carrying, but if it's heavy books, then there's surely a better way.

Maybe an effective movement for affordable universal broadband, and even take-home tablets. That said, I would want it to be an adjunct to school socialization and classroom cooperation, not a replacement for them.

I have very little recent direct experience in primary education, but it seems school administrations are still trying to fit everybody into the same ricky-ticky boxes. A little flexibility in learning practices, places, and methods would probably be a good thing....

Tell Congress: Pass Broadband for All!

[Vrede too]

Probably the case in just about every state:

Subject: Hungry kids

Dear Gov. Cooper, Rep. Chuck McGrady and Sen. Chuck Edwards,

School Nutrition Programs need emergency funding now!
https://www.publicschoolsfirstnc.org/wp ... 6.20-1.pdf

I await your reply.

Thanks,
(Vrede too)

[Vrede too]

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essay/t ... education/'

... The share of Americans saying colleges and universities have a negative effect has increased by 12 percentage points since 2012. The increase in negative views has come almost entirely from Republicans and independents who lean Republican. From 2015 to 2019, the share saying colleges have a negative effect on the country went from 37% to 59% among this group.

Over that same period, the views of Democrats and independents who lean Democratic have remained largely stable and overwhelmingly positive....

[neoplacebo]

Meanwhile, Betsy de Vos, as Secretary of De Education, is doing what she can.

[billy.pilgrim]

Damn universities - don't all of them teach Liberal Arts, what the fuck good does that do?

[Vrede too]

Damn universities - don't all of them teach Liberal Arts, what the fuck good does that do?

It keeps liberal artists from taking jobs from real Murricans.