Massacre in Connecticut

[Wneglia]

Could video games have contributed?

[Supsalemgr]

Westboro is one organization thet deserves no publicity. They in no way represent the thinking of an overwhelming number of Christians.

[Wneglia]

Westboro is one organization thet deserves no publicity. They in no way represent the thinking of an overwhelming number of Christians.

Hopefully the Patriot Guard Riders will shut them down as they have in the past.

[Stinger]

These are the assholes who need a few bullets

I'm a freedom-of-speecher, but I hope those assholes get seriously hurt if they try any of that bullshit.

[rstrong]

It's too late to take back the guns. They're here to stay.
Still, for the Second Amendment zealots, when that was written, it took time to load a gun to get off a shot.
Now we have a very sick person who blows away a classroom of kindergarten children, most likely, in the time it took our forefathers to load.

The Second Amendment came before rifles/rifling, and were very inaccurate. Between that and the loading times (you wanted a friend to be shooting so that someone didn't run up and stab you while reloading) they were really only effective in a well-organized militia firing in ranks.

[rstrong]

Then let's concentrate on the nuts, not the inanimate object involved...or get busy restricting cars, baseball bats, bathtubs, rocks, knives, rope, plastic bags, all garden tools, electricity, fertilizer, exposure to lightening, carbon monoxide, high places, heavy objects, strong people, gasoline and sharp sticks, et al.

I'm all about gun rights, but your examples are stupid. All those items have a primary use. A gun's primary and only use is to kill.

I remember from the 1980s, a police officer from Northern Ireland being thoroughly shocked about how anyone in North America could buy a whole truck-load of ammonia-based fertilizer with no ID, no questions, no background checks.

[rstrong]

One of the children killed in Connecticut had just moved this year from here in Winnipeg.

Here father, an accomplished jazz saxophone player, composer and band leader, had come to Canada for three years to teach at the University of Manitoba. He also played countless gigs in Winnipeg. His wife taught at the University of Winnipeg.

But once again:

[Leo Lyons]

Now that rstrong has gotten the subject of the thread back on track, I'll add this. The one thing thats particularly irksome about an incident such as this is the influx of the vultures. Newtown has been besieged by the news vultures seeking anything that will garner a story. Case in point: an interview on ABC(?) of a classmate who went to school with Lanzer in the third grade; an interview on another network with some clown who sat on the toilet in the next stall from Lanzer in the fifth grade. (not really, just an absurd example.) There was an on-street interview with someone on some matter, but what struck me; that induced me to write this, was the people scurrying around in the background; reporters with their clipboards being trailed by their cameramen with their cameras propped on their shoulders at the ready for an instant interview with anyone willing to talk.

Lanza's dad was informed of his son's involvement by a reporter, who seeking a story, waited in his driveway for him to get home from work.

The folks in Newtown probably won't get any peace from these glory-seekers even after they've buried their dead.
They're scumbags, just like the WBC crowd.

I'm all about gun rights, but.... A gun's primary and only use is to kill.

That's correct. So now I ask all of you this: What do you have in your home for protection from a break-in?
If someone breaks into your home, by what means do you suggest you should protect your self from harm??

I do believe that assault weapons should be classified as WMD's and should be banned from private ownership; they're illegal to hunt with and are only good for killing other humans. There's no viable reason to own one. So what this boils down to is the old worn out phrase "When Guns Are Outlawed, Only Outlaws Will Have Guns".

I have six fully licensed handguns; and nobody's going to get them from me; short of killing me first.

[Mad American]

I do believe that assault weapons should be classified as WMD's and should be banned from private ownership; they're illegal to hunt with...

Not true. The AR-15 platform is rapidly becoming one of the most widely used sporting arms. It is being used for everything from prairie dogs to bear.

Seeing as how you mentioned them define assualt weapons.

[Leo Lyons]

Seeing as how you mentioned them define assualt weapons.

AR15:



OK, so you can kill a bear or make a prairie dog dissolve with an AR15; what else are they good for? How many people hunt bear and prairie dogs; especialy in heavily populated areas?

[rstrong]

OK, so you can kill a bear or make a prairie dog dissolve with an AR15; what else are they good for? How many people hunt bear and prairie dogs; especialy in heavily populated areas?

Also, how many farmers find it necessary to turn prairie dogs into pink mist rather than just killing them?

[Leo Lyons]

OK, so you can kill a bear or make a prairie dog dissolve with an AR15; what else are they good for? How many people hunt bear and prairie dogs; especialy in heavily populated areas?

Also, how many farmers who hunt prairie dogs, also find it necessary to turn them into pink mist?

(see 'dissolve')

[Mad American]

I said DEFINE not post a picture. What makes those weapons "assault" weapons while a Browning BAR is not?

As I said before, the AR-15 platform is being used for everything FROM prairie dogs to bear....that includes a LOT of game in between. It is a VERY popular platform among wild boar hunters and is rapidly gaining popularity among female deer hunters. In addition it is the CHAMBERING not the weapon that turns a prairie dog into pink mist. Most of your midwestern varmint hunters prefer cartridges with fast velocities that give flatter trajectories. Speed translates to kinetic energy which leads to the terminal ballistics of the bullet when it strikes. So an AR-15 chambered in 22 Hornet will produce the same result as a Ruger 1 chambered the same. Likewise a Remington 700 in .308 will give the same result as an equally chambered AR.

[neoplacebo]

I can only speak for myself, but I wish you'd fondle your guns in private; especially now. Idiot.

[Bungalow Bill]

Looks like the First Amendment will take a bit of a beating, but maybe not. The Motorcycle
Jingoists will apparently not be at the funerals for the children killed in Connecticut as
they were not members of the military or police or firefighters. As far as I know the perp
wasn't known to have serious mental problems, so the arguments about that factor are
irrelevant in this case.

[neoplacebo]

My take is that he was a spoiled rich kid who finally realized he couldn't hack it or make it like his dad did or how his brother did....no amount of gun control laws or lack of them could have even played a role in this situation. The guns were already there; he just decided to use them. He probably even spent weeks evaluating the myriad technical aspects of the weapons and the ammunition, as mud american is wont to do to display his apparent technical expertise.

[Leo Lyons]

The sheer ignorance of some people.
Read on:

Death Threats


Madman, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest as to what is and what isn't an assault weapon. A weapon that can hold more than twelve rounds can be considered an assault weapon. I believe it was told that one of those children's body contained 11 shots; and that's one child out of the 20; is that not an assault?

[Mad American]

Leo, I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest and I think that we will settle out on the same side of the issue for the most part anyway. I'm just trying to point out that the term "assault" weapon is actually one that is based in opinion. With that in mind how can any effective rule be drafted when it is based on a definition formed in opinion. I have an old Mossberg 22 that holds 15 rounds is that an assault weapon?? Your logic says that it takes multiple rounds to be an "assault". Would not a single round to the chest ALSO be considered an assault? Point being is that once you start banning weapons based on an opinion of "assault" weapons you start onto a slippery slope of banning sporting arms because of any of the conditions that might label one as an assault weapon.

[bannination]

We have an "unusually violent" culture and it's been that way for decades, video games are just a more recent part of that.

America has always been backwards on violence vs. sex. We can show all kinds of murderous mutilation on broadcast tv, but god forbid a tit slip out on accident! That demands a full inquiry for the display of natural body parts!!!

[bannination]

Alright, now I'm just getting carried away....