Race, lets make this serious! It is nearly 2013.

[neoplacebo]

Redneckism is not a genetic condition. It's a socioeconomic condition.
Genes cannot be removed from the gene pool without killing the people who carry those genes, or at minimum, rendering them sterile.

I believe that sterilization was the primary method to be used by our very own "scientists" and maybe a Kellogg or two.

Wikipedia
"Three International Eugenics Conferences presented a global venue for eugenists with meetings in 1912 in London, and in 1921 and 1932 in New York City. Eugenic policies in the United States were first implemented in the early 1900s.[30] It also took root in France, Germany, and Great Britain.[31] Later, in the 1920s and 1930s, the eugenic policy of sterilizing certain mental patients was implemented in other countries including Belgium,[32] Brazil,[33] Canada,[34] Japan and Sweden. Frederick Osborn's 1937 journal article "Development of a Eugenic Philosophy" framed it as a social philosophy—a philosophy with implications for social order.[35] That definition is not universally accepted. Osborn advocated for higher rates of sexual reproduction among people with desired traits ("positive eugenics") or reduced rates of sexual reproduction or sterilization of people with less-desired or undesired traits ("negative eugenics")."

Yeah, sterilization was how they intended to implement the policy. I've always thought that mental and even physical "deficiencies" (as defined by what is considered "normal" versus "inferior") are nothing more than evolution in action. A person with impaired mental ability, as defined by society, may actually have a very analytical mind or possess some other obscure mental ability that is not present in "normal" people and because of that, those possibly unique abilities go unrecognized. After all, wasn't Beethoven deaf? And The Who famously wrote about that deaf, dumb, and blind kid that sure played a mean pinball.

I remember from college, so this could just be libural doctrinations, something about most or many geniuses have at least one parent who is mentally deficient.

Damn, we must have gotten the same liberal socialist indoctrination while we attended socialist public school and recited the Pledge of Allegiance every morning. At the time, I thought "shit, we should only do this once a week, not every goddamn day."

[Vrede too]

In theory, redneckery could be engineered out of the gene pool without killing any living rednecks. So, (Useless) bigot, you're possibly safe from eugenicist O Really's scheme.

So considering that, eugenics is not genocide, as I stated earlier that it was.

One could make that case - How can it be genocide if there are no murders? However, idk. If there was an organized program that, say, engineered Blacks out of the gene pool without killing any living Blacks, would that not still be genocide against the Black race?

Then, if no one misses the rednecks besides other rednecks, however they're disposed of, is it really still genocide?

By rednecks, do you mean republicans or farmers?

It's actually O Really's fantasy, so better to ask him. My own definition is definitely not farmers. I'd go with poorly educated and/or voluntarily ignorant bigots. This would often be a subset of Repugs, but there are still some holdover Dixiecrats, too.

Forced sterilization would be the currently available non-murdering mechanism for a redneck-free America, if a genetic cause could be isolated. However, I read O Really's "gene splice" solution as being more in the realm of credible science fiction. Maybe a water treatment or aerial spray could be developed that genetically prevented the offspring of even hardcore rednecks from growing up redneck.

Tbh, though, I think the odds are greater that a future govt will engineer liberalism away.

[O Really]

In theory, redneckery could be engineered out of the gene pool without killing any living rednecks. So, (Useless) bigot, you're possibly safe from eugenicist O Really's scheme.

So considering that, eugenics is not genocide, as I stated earlier that it was.

One could make that case - How can it be genocide if there are no murders? However, idk. If there was an organized program that, say, engineered Blacks out of the gene pool without killing any living Blacks, would that not still be genocide against the Black race?

Then, if no one misses the rednecks besides other rednecks, however they're disposed of, is it really still genocide?

By rednecks, do you mean republicans or farmers?

It's actually O Really's fantasy, so better to ask him. ...

Nope, there are undoubtedly some farmers who are rednecks, but redneckery isn't inherent in the occupation. And redneckery is related to socioeconomic status, but being poor or even poorly educated doesn't cause redneckery. Redneckery is curable, but unfortunately one of the symptoms is pride in being redneck. YeeeHaw, hold my beer, Bubba.

[neoplacebo]

So, if the willing participants in a massive system that knowingly and intentionally slaughtered millions and destroyed entire cultures don't FEEL like it's their fault we should cut them some slack, right? I guess I'm just not as sympathetic as y'all are.

In other words, I reject your insistence that we get into the heads of the slave owners and traders and try to UNDERSTAND where their vile acts were coming from. To me, it's sufficient to look at the results in Africa, the Caribbean and Brasil. And even here it's not like slavers allowed African religion and culture, even the slaves' actual names, to continue to exist - that's genocide.

I missed the reference cite about the "...knowingly and intentionally slaughtered millions and destroyed entire cultures..."

Which of the assertions are you challenging, the certainty of the millions that died or the undeniable effect of these deaths on West African culture and of the repression of historical Black culture on those that survived as slaves?

Atlantic slave trade: Human toll

The transatlantic slave trade resulted in a vast and as yet unknown loss of life for African captives both in and outside the Americas. "More than a million people are thought to have died" during their transport to the New World according to a BBC report. More died soon after their arrival. The number of lives lost in the procurement of slaves remains a mystery but may equal or exceed the number who survived to be enslaved.

The trade led to the destruction of individuals and cultures....

... Manning estimates that 4 million died inside Africa after capture, and many more died young....

African conflicts
(lengthy discussion of how African society was forever altered)

Effect on the economy of West Africa
(huge impacts)

Legacy of racism

Walter Rodney states:

The role of slavery in promoting racist prejudice and ideology has been carefully studied in certain situations, especially in the USA. The simple fact is that no people can enslave another for four centuries without coming out with a notion of superiority, and when the colour and other physical traits of those peoples were quite different it was inevitable that the prejudice should take a racist form.

Eric Williams argued that "A racial twist [was] given to what is basically an economic phenomenon. Slavery was not born of racism: rather, racism was the consequence of slavery."

Similarly, John Darwin writes "The rapid conversion from white indentured labour to black slavery... made the English Caribbean a frontier of civility where English (later British) ideas about race and slave labour were ruthlessly adapted to local self-interest...Indeed, the root justification for the system of slavery and the savage apparatus of coercion on which its preservation depended was the ineradicable barbarism of the slave population, a product, it was argued, of its African origins".

Hasn't someone argued that, "you can make a very good case for Black genocide during Jim Crow and the eugenics experiments"? They don't exist without Black enslavement.

I don't think of the institution of slavery in the US as genocide. To me, genocide is the intentional elimination of a group of people because of their race or religion or some other reason. Actually, slavery in the US was pretty much the opposite of genocide; after the abolition of the slave trade in the US in 1807, slave owners encouraged their slaves to marry and have children (the opposite of genocide). In fact, the slave population in the US doubled every 26 years just from natural reproduction. I happen to be re reading "Battle Cry of Freedom - The Civil War Era" by James McPherson. For the above population doubling, the author references Philip D. Curtin "The Atlantic Slave Trade: A Census (Madison, 1969) and C. Vann Woodward "Southern Slaves in the World of Thomas Malthus" (American Counterpoint: Slavery and Racism in the North-South Dialogue. Boston, 1971). Granted that slaves taken from Africa were stripped of their language, culture, and customs once they became slaves, that doesn't meet the definition of genocide to me. Additionally, from about the 1970's onward black citizens began naming their children traditional African names or derivatives of those names. This trend continues today. That fact in itself belies the notion of equating slavery with genocide. I am not an advocate or apologist for slavery; I just don't think it's genocide.

[O Really]

Well if the slavers attempted to commit genocide upon their African merchandise, they were clearly unsuccessful.

[O Really]

Then, if no one misses the rednecks besides other rednecks, however they're disposed of, is it really still genocide?

"...disposed of" has a good ring to it. Could we just give them one-way tickets to any of the 'stan countries?

[Vrede too]

I don't think of the institution of slavery in the US as genocide. To me, genocide is the intentional elimination of a group of people because of their race or religion or some other reason. Actually, slavery in the US was pretty much the opposite of genocide; after the abolition of the slave trade in the US in 1807, slave owners encouraged their slaves to marry and have children (the opposite of genocide)....

I accept that perspective. However, my contention all along has been that it was murderous genocide in Africa, the Caribbean and Brasil, and that we cannot separate Black slaves in America (there were Indian, Inuit and Aleut ones, too) from the genocide that brought them here. Plus, I see the deliberate suppression of traditional Black practices and beliefs here, even extending to banning their African names, as cultural genocide.

Fwiw, slave smuggling continued after 1808, largely but not entirely ending in 1821.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_i ... lave_trade
The last slave ship came to the Mobile River in 1860. It was burned and scuttled after arrival and was just found in 2019.
viewtopic.php?p=156762#p156762

[GoCubsGo]

South Carolina steps back in time.

[Vrede too]

South Carolina steps back in time.

I celebrate defeated and dead slavers and traitors, too.

[Whack9]

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne ... 702170002/

Georgia state police pull over a charter bus full of lacrosse players from Delaware, most of whom are black, so it's being pegged as a race thing, and proceeded to search for drugs.

I can't comment on that, but what I do want to ask is when cops say "if you don't tell me and fess up I can't help you" they are full of shit right?

If you get pulled over and a cop tells you that if you come clean you'll be better off vs then finding your weed stash, they are full of shit and both outcomes would be the same?

[O Really]

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne ... 702170002/

Georgia state police pull over a charter bus full of lacrosse players from Delaware, most of whom are black, so it's being pegged as a race thing, and proceeded to search for drugs.

I can't comment on that, but what I do want to ask is when cops say "if you don't tell me and fess up I can't help you" they are full of shit right?

If you get pulled over and a cop tells you that if you come clean you'll be better off vs then finding your weed stash, they are full of shit and both outcomes would be the same?

That is true.
Sheriff Buford is gonna be in some trouble over this one. Maybe not if they had found something, but from the article, it looks like there's no real probable cause to pull them over, none to search. Not that the cops themselves will suffer real consequences, but the state will get some well-deserved trashing.

[GoCubsGo]

This stinks to high heaven.

Can't believe there's no video.

[Vrede too]

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne ... 702170002/

Georgia state police pull over a charter bus full of lacrosse players from Delaware, most of whom are black, so it's being pegged as a race thing, and proceeded to search for drugs.

I can't comment on that, but what I do want to ask is when cops say "if you don't tell me and fess up I can't help you" they are full of shit right?

If you get pulled over and a cop tells you that if you come clean you'll be better off vs then finding your weed stash, they are full of shit and both outcomes would be the same?

Cops habitually lie and you're worse off in the former instance. If you admit and consent you're screwed. If you refuse to consent the search may later be found to be illegal.

Back to the article, the White Liberty County Sheriff’s Office deputies are assholes and need to be sued. The driver supposedly “improperly traveling in the left lane” is not probable cause to search the Black players' gear. Even the traffic violation is suspect:

... The driver of the bus was never issued a ticket.

They just decided to harass the busload of out of state Blacks that dared to travel through "their" county. Too bad they can't be beaten by girls with lacrosse sticks.

Same incident, no AdBlock block:
https://www.theroot.com/delaware-state- ... 1848906034

[Vrede too]

This stinks to high heaven.

Can't believe there's no video.

There is, linked in my article:


Racism in the South

I'll bet there's longer video out there.

[Vrede too]

All that said, if the driver really was driving too slow in the left lane they should have shot her/him . Maybe s/he is White.

[Vrede too]

Cops habitually lie ...

Sheriff falsely claims deputies didn’t search luggage during HBCU lacrosse bus stop in Georgia

The Liberty County, Georgia, sheriff defended deputies that stopped the Delaware State University women’s lacrosse team bus last month.

But body camera footage released from that stop contradicts the claims that Sheriff William Bowman made....

Bowman addressed the issue on Tuesday afternoon, and said that “no personal items on the bus or persons were searched.” Based on both body camera footage and footage from a DSU player, that is false.

A Liberty County Sheriff’s Office deputy announced on the bus that deputies were going to search players’ luggage and wanted players to tell them ahead of time if they had any marijuana. The deputies involved were white, and the majority of players on the bus were Black.

“We're gonna check ya'll's luggage," the deputy said in a video posted by a player. "If there is anything in y’all’s luggage, we’re probably gonna find it, OK. I’m not looking for a little bit of marijuana but I’m pretty sure you guys’ chaperones are probably gonna be disappointed in you if we find any. ...

"If there is something in there that is questionable, please tell me now. Because if we find it, guess what. We're not gonna be able to help you."

Deputies also reportedly used a drug-sniffing dog, and opened an unwrapped graduation gift that a player’s family had given her on the road trip.

Body camera footage obtained by the Wilmington News Journal also backed this up, and specifically showed deputies searching through backpacks and bags — which Bowman claimed never happened.



... The driver, who is also Black, was not cited for anything in the end and the bus was allowed to leave.

“Say this was Duke and they came on and saw Coach K, do you think they would have been checking our bags with dogs?” sophomore Mica Lambert said. “We’re a bus full of girls of color. A Black bus driver. I’m not surprised it went down this way at all. Frustrated, yes, but not surprised.” ...


The Delaware State women's lacrosse team. (DSU Athletics)

On the positive side the filthy lying Liberty County, Georgia, sheriff is admitting that he knows that the search was illegal, and you can bet that the plaintiffs' lawyers will use this admission at trial.

[Vrede too]

Fort Bragg to be renamed Fort Liberty among Army bases losing Confederate names: Exclusive
Congress and the defense secretary must approve the nine naming recommendations.

A blue-ribbon commission has recommended new names for nine Army bases named after Confederate leaders, including Fort Bragg, which will be recommended to be renamed Fort Liberty, according to a U.S. official, ABC News learned exclusively Tuesday.

Later Tuesday, the commission was expected to formally disclose its recommended names for the bases named after Confederate generals.

Last year, Congress passed legislation that required the renaming of U.S. military installations named after Confederate leaders by 2023.

Congress and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin must approve the nine naming recommendations.

Fort Bragg in North Carolina is currently named after Gen. Braxton Bragg, a senior Confederate Army general. It would be renamed as Fort Liberty, the only one of the bases named after a concept, with eight others being renamed mostly after individuals with ties to Army history.

Good for North Carolina.

The other bases to be renamed are Fort Hood in Texas, Fort Rucker in Alabama, Fort Polk in Louisiana, Fort Benning and Fort Gordon in Georgia and Fort A.P. Hill, Fort Lee and Fort Pickett in Virginia.

The panel has recommended that Fort Hood, Texas, be renamed after Richard E. Cavazos, the first Latino to reach the rank of a four-star general in the Army.

Fort Lee, Virginia, will be named after two individuals: Arthur Gregg, a former three-star general involved in logistics -- the only living individual for whom a base will be named -- and Charity Adams, the first African-American woman to be an officer in the Women's Army Auxiliary Corps.

Fort Pickett, Virginia, will be named after Van Barfoot, who received the Medal of Honor for his heroism during World War II and is of Native American descent.

Fort A.P. Hill, Virginia, will be renamed after Dr. Mary Walker, a (Union) physician and women's rights activist who received the Medal of Honor for her service during the Civil War.

Mary Edwards Walker - helluva life.

... Fort Polk, Louisiana, will be renamed after William Henry Johnson, a (Black) soldier whose heroism in World War Two One was not honored with the Medal of Honor until 2015.

Henry Johnson (World War I soldier) - Hero, recognized way way too late . . . except by France .

[Vrede too]

Comedian Stunned After Asking Man In Confederate Flag Shirt If He’s Pro-Slavery
Jason Selvig of the comedy duo Good Liars said he was so perplexed that he asked the question three times, hoping for a direct answer.

An interview that was intended to be funny quickly turned disturbing.

The Good Liars — a progressive comedy duo that typically plays pranks on conservatives and interviews people at far-right political rallies — went to the National Rifle Association’s annual convention last weekend in Houston....



... The man’s argument that the flag represents his Southern heritage is nothing new. The Confederate flag is thought by some to be a tribute to the “Lost Cause” — the belief that Confederacy fought not to uphold slavery but to protect states’ rights and preserve a genteel way of life for white landowners — was created by white Southerns shortly after their 1865 defeat in the Civil War. It was an attempt to give the South’s role, and the thousands of Confederate soldiers who died, a more positive light, according to National Geographic.

And although some states in the South view the flag as an emblem of pride, it didn’t become popular until “the 1940s and 1950s as part of a massive resistance campaign against the civil rights movement,” Matthew Guterl, a professor of Africana and American studies at Brown University, told The Washington Post in 2015.

“It wouldn’t exist in our national popular culture without this moment,” Guterl said. “When African Americans fought for their equality … the battle flag was recovered and redeployed as a symbol of opposition to it.”

He added: “What was once a very blatant, full-throated defense of white supremacy has now become this gesture to heritage and history that is presented as though it has nothing to do with the civil rights movement. But it has everything to do with the civil rights movement.”

That's how ammosexual Whites are, pro-slavery or neutral on it.

I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it. If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. -- LBJ

BuT iTs MuH hurrrrtage! Yeah, and he’s pro-slavery.

Well to be fair, that was a pretty tough question

They’re so dumb

Which state is he the @GOP
front-runner in?

When “no comment” speaks volumes. Good grief.

They have so much unresolved hate in their hearts that's why they grip their guns so tight, out of guilt and fear.

Black Man To Be Retried After All-White Jury Used Room With Confederate Decor
A room used by the jury in the Giles County Courthouse in Pulaski, Tennessee, featured Confederate flags and framed portraits of Confederate officials.

Black man convicted of aggravated assault by an all-white jury that deliberated in a room featuring Confederate symbols and memorabilia will get a new trial, a Tennessee appeals court has ruled.

Tim Gilbert, 55, was sentenced to six years in prison following his 2020 trial stemming from a domestic dispute. He has argued that the racist decor inside the Giles County Courthouse in Pulaski violated his constitutional right to a fair trial with an impartial jury, due process and equal protection under the law, according to court documents.

The appeals court unanimously ruled on Friday that prosecutors failed to prove that the room, which is maintained by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, or UDC, was not prejudicial to Gilbert.

“U.D.C. Room” is reportedly painted on the door to the room, and there is a Confederate flag on the door’s window. There is also a framed Confederate battle flag on the wall facing the entrance, as well as portraits of Confederate officials, including Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy. The portrait is labeled “President Jefferson Davis,” according to the court documents....

"all-white jury". "2020 trial"! "The appeals court unanimously ruled".

Who the fuck thought this is okay?

[O Really]

Not to be in violation of Godwin's Rule, but did you ever wonder why Germans of an age of say 20-70 whose fathers/grandfathers/uncles, etc. fought for Nazi Germany don't ever wear a Nazi T-shirt as rightly representative of their "heritage"? Other than it's illegal in Germany, of course, like the traitor/slaver flag should have been in the US since 1866 or so. Sure one can make the argument that their Georgia plantation owner ancestors were gallantly fighting to defend their homes against the evil Sherman, but they can't get out of the fundamental fact that Georgia et.al., were in open armed rebellion against the people and the lawful government of the United States.

[billy.pilgrim]

Comedian Stunned After Asking Man In Confederate Flag Shirt If He’s Pro-Slavery
Jason Selvig of the comedy duo Good Liars said he was so perplexed that he asked the question three times, hoping for a direct answer.

An interview that was intended to be funny quickly turned disturbing.

The Good Liars — a progressive comedy duo that typically plays pranks on conservatives and interviews people at far-right political rallies — went to the National Rifle Association’s annual convention last weekend in Houston....



... The man’s argument that the flag represents his Southern heritage is nothing new. The Confederate flag is thought by some to be a tribute to the “Lost Cause” — the belief that Confederacy fought not to uphold slavery but to protect states’ rights and preserve a genteel way of life for white landowners — was created by white Southerns shortly after their 1865 defeat in the Civil War. It was an attempt to give the South’s role, and the thousands of Confederate soldiers who died, a more positive light, according to National Geographic.

And although some states in the South view the flag as an emblem of pride, it didn’t become popular until “the 1940s and 1950s as part of a massive resistance campaign against the civil rights movement,” Matthew Guterl, a professor of Africana and American studies at Brown University, told The Washington Post in 2015.

“It wouldn’t exist in our national popular culture without this moment,” Guterl said. “When African Americans fought for their equality … the battle flag was recovered and redeployed as a symbol of opposition to it.”

He added: “What was once a very blatant, full-throated defense of white supremacy has now become this gesture to heritage and history that is presented as though it has nothing to do with the civil rights movement. But it has everything to do with the civil rights movement.”

That's how ammosexual Whites are, pro-slavery or neutral on it.

I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it. If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. -- LBJ

BuT iTs MuH hurrrrtage! Yeah, and he’s pro-slavery.

Well to be fair, that was a pretty tough question

They’re so dumb

Which state is he the @GOP
front-runner in?

When “no comment” speaks volumes. Good grief.

They have so much unresolved hate in their hearts that's why they grip their guns so tight, out of guilt and fear.

Black Man To Be Retried After All-White Jury Used Room With Confederate Decor
A room used by the jury in the Giles County Courthouse in Pulaski, Tennessee, featured Confederate flags and framed portraits of Confederate officials.

Black man convicted of aggravated assault by an all-white jury that deliberated in a room featuring Confederate symbols and memorabilia will get a new trial, a Tennessee appeals court has ruled.

Tim Gilbert, 55, was sentenced to six years in prison following his 2020 trial stemming from a domestic dispute. He has argued that the racist decor inside the Giles County Courthouse in Pulaski violated his constitutional right to a fair trial with an impartial jury, due process and equal protection under the law, according to court documents.

The appeals court unanimously ruled on Friday that prosecutors failed to prove that the room, which is maintained by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, or UDC, was not prejudicial to Gilbert.

“U.D.C. Room” is reportedly painted on the door to the room, and there is a Confederate flag on the door’s window. There is also a framed Confederate battle flag on the wall facing the entrance, as well as portraits of Confederate officials, including Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy. The portrait is labeled “President Jefferson Davis,” according to the court documents....

"all-white jury". "2020 trial"! "The appeals court unanimously ruled".

Who the fuck thought this is okay?

To be fair, there are almost no blacks in that area of Tennessee.