Why $7-Per-Gallon Milk Looms Once Again

[Roland Deschain]

When an engine designed to operate on unblended gasoline is operating on unblended gasoline it is NOT operating on an "improper fuel" . . . whereas . . . an engine designed to operate on unblended gasoline attempting to operate on a gasoline/ethanol blend is clearly operating on an "improper fuel". . .Q.E.D. . .

You confusion appears to lie in your need to mislabel the product else your question would have been.. "please inform us as to how a gasoline engine, running on a gasoline/ethanol blend, is using an "improper fuel"."

OK....then please explain why the EPA has mandated that engines designed to operate on unblended gasoline have to operate on "improper fuel"...or else be lucky enough to find the rare station with unblended fuel.

[Crock Hunter]

..then please explain why the EPA has mandated that engines designed to operate on unblended gasoline have to operate on "improper fuel"...

There is no mandate.. You know better than that (or at least you should) ..

or else be lucky enough to find the rare station with unblended fuel.

Perhaps if enough people ask for that sort of product your local guy will carry it ?? You are a Free Market kind'a guy aren't you?

Fact is today most engines small*,**,*** and large are designed to operate on blended gasoline..

* - Gasoline with up to 10% ethanol (gasohol) or up to 15% MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether), is acceptable.
Briggs & Stratton FAQ

** - Although all major manufacturers of outboard motors reports their engines run just fine on E10 fuel -

*** - Ethanol blended fuels (E10) are common throughout much of the United States. After the transition period from non-ethanol fuel, E10 may actually be a superior marine fuel, as it tends to keep low levels of water moving through the fuel system, keeping the system “dry”. For over a decade, marine engines have been engineered to handle E10 gasoline. However, all types of fuels should be treated if they won’t be used in a few weeks


Again..you're whining about a perceived inconvenience to you and not an actual problem. it's one of those things that simply runs counter to your worldview and being a right-winger you can't help but see it solely in such selfish terms..

[Roland Deschain]

..then please explain why the EPA has mandated that engines designed to operate on unblended gasoline have to operate on "improper fuel"...

There is no mandate.. You know better than that (or at least you should) ..

or else be lucky enough to find the rare station with unblended fuel.

Perhaps if enough people ask for that sort of product your local guy will carry it ?? You are a Free Market kind'a guy aren't you?

Fact is today most engines small*,**,*** and large are designed to operate on blended gasoline..

* - Gasoline with up to 10% ethanol (gasohol) or up to 15% MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether), is acceptable.
Briggs & Stratton FAQ

** - Although all major manufacturers of outboard motors reports their engines run just fine on E10 fuel -

*** - Ethanol blended fuels (E10) are common throughout much of the United States. After the transition period from non-ethanol fuel, E10 may actually be a superior marine fuel, as it tends to keep low levels of water moving through the fuel system, keeping the system “dry”. For over a decade, marine engines have been engineered to handle E10 gasoline. However, all types of fuels should be treated if they won’t be used in a few weeks


Again..you're whining about a perceived inconvenience to you and not an actual problem. it's one of those things that simply runs counter to your worldview and being a right-winger you can't help but see it solely in such selfish terms..

I'd suggest hanging out in a small engine shop before posting something from the internet as fact...especially something that says running water through the fuel system of an internal combustion engine is a good thing. Either way, you still have not posted anything in regard to older engines.

[O Really]

The Briggs and Stratton FAQ was a bit off, based on my personal experience. (* - Gasoline with up to 10% ethanol (gasohol) or up to 15% MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether), is acceptable.) Bought a mower with a B&S engine, ran it on 10% gas, from the "regular" gas pump at probably an Ingle's or somewhere, and after about a month and a half or so it quit starting. Repair guy put in fuel stabilizer, got it started, got it cleaned out, and said to either (a) run it on non-ethanol gas; or (b) always mix the gas with the fuel stabilizer. Haven't had any trouble since.

[bannination]

..then please explain why the EPA has mandated that engines designed to operate on unblended gasoline have to operate on "improper fuel"...

There is no mandate.. You know better than that (or at least you should) ..

or else be lucky enough to find the rare station with unblended fuel.

Perhaps if enough people ask for that sort of product your local guy will carry it ?? You are a Free Market kind'a guy aren't you?

Fact is today most engines small*,**,*** and large are designed to operate on blended gasoline..

* - Gasoline with up to 10% ethanol (gasohol) or up to 15% MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether), is acceptable.
Briggs & Stratton FAQ

** - Although all major manufacturers of outboard motors reports their engines run just fine on E10 fuel -

*** - Ethanol blended fuels (E10) are common throughout much of the United States. After the transition period from non-ethanol fuel, E10 may actually be a superior marine fuel, as it tends to keep low levels of water moving through the fuel system, keeping the system “dry”. For over a decade, marine engines have been engineered to handle E10 gasoline. However, all types of fuels should be treated if they won’t be used in a few weeks


Again..you're whining about a perceived inconvenience to you and not an actual problem. it's one of those things that simply runs counter to your worldview and being a right-winger you can't help but see it solely in such selfish terms..

I'd suggest hanging out in a small engine shop before posting something from the internet as fact...especially something that says running water through the fuel system of an internal combustion engine is a good thing. Either way, you still have not posted anything in regard to older engines.

Yeah, shady mechanics pull the, ethanol is evil, you really need a fuel system cleaning because it gunks up everything......

The reality is that it burns cleaner than gasoline. Ethanol has been used for a long time as an octane booster, everyone was fine with that!

[Roland Deschain]

Yeah, shady mechanics pull the, ethanol is evil, you really need a fuel system cleaning because it gunks up everything......

The reality is that it burns cleaner than gasoline. Ethanol has been used for a long time as an octane booster, everyone was fine with that!

I guess doing 90% of my own engine work makes me a "shady mechanic" huh. I've got nothing to loose or gain..I'm simply speaking the truth...older engines and two strokes do not like it and it does not run well. I'd like to hear the explanation of how a hygroscopic material in a fuel system for an internal combustion engine is good for anything?

[bannination]

Yeah, shady mechanics pull the, ethanol is evil, you really need a fuel system cleaning because it gunks up everything......

The reality is that it burns cleaner than gasoline. Ethanol has been used for a long time as an octane booster, everyone was fine with that!

I guess doing 90% of my own engine work makes me a "shady mechanic" huh. I've got nothing to loose or gain..I'm simply speaking the truth...older engines and two strokes do not like it and it does not run well. I'd like to hear the explanation of how a hygroscopic material in a fuel system for an internal combustion engine is good for anything?

Guess how you get water out of your tank without dropping the tank?..... yeah, you add ethanol or isopropyl alcohol, either one.

.... The more you know....

Fuel system cleaners? ... guess what they're made of.....

[Roland Deschain]

Yeah, shady mechanics pull the, ethanol is evil, you really need a fuel system cleaning because it gunks up everything......

The reality is that it burns cleaner than gasoline. Ethanol has been used for a long time as an octane booster, everyone was fine with that!

I guess doing 90% of my own engine work makes me a "shady mechanic" huh. I've got nothing to loose or gain..I'm simply speaking the truth...older engines and two strokes do not like it and it does not run well. I'd like to hear the explanation of how a hygroscopic material in a fuel system for an internal combustion engine is good for anything?

Guess how you get water out of your tank without dropping the tank?..... yeah, you add ethanol or isopropyl alcohol, either one.

.... The more you know....

Fuel system cleaners? ... guess what they're made of.....

Yep...the cheap stuff that will get you through. The good stuff is hydrocarbon based, works better, and lasts longer. However, the ethanol content in cleaners is a low percentage overall of the product and once you add the entire 16 ounces (give or take) to a 20 gallon fuel tank the percentage of ethanol is miniscule at best. Not quite the same as pumping 2 gallons of ethanol for 20 of gas. I guess my '76 Harley just decides to gum up the pilot jets when I'm forced to use blended fuel for the heck of it but will run just fine on unblended for tank after tank after tank.