Seth Milner wrote:
It's not only drunks that are mouthy. Mouthiness is a trait that's no longer a discipline issue at home.
Wha-tever.
I rest my case. That attitude comes to mind.
I think "Wha-tever" is an appropriate response to your red herring. It doesn't matter why the mouthing occurred, drunk, poor breeding, general assholedness, anything. Cops should be trained, prepared, and mentally capable of handling it or they should find another occupation.
Maybe it's that blind, ovine, obeisance to abusive authority is a trait that's no longer a mandate in every home. We can attribute some of that to the destructive, costly and failed War on Drugs. Plenty of folks do still bend over, though.
Looks to me like the woman did the best job she could with an autistic kid having a meltdown in public. Happens a lot, unfortunately. Beating has never as far as I know been prescribed as a cure by any medical professional. The person posting that should have to walk a while in her shoes. Might develop a little empathy.
O Really wrote:... Beating has never as far as I know been prescribed as a cure by any medical professional....
Nor any psychological nor child development professional even with non-autistic kids. It just teaches them that inflicting violence on those weaker than them is an acceptable practice, and this has been known for decades at least. I'd guess it's even less successful for autistic kids. But, that doesn't stop the child abuse by the ignorant and cruel, nor those who cheerlead for it.
Here's one source. Seems credible, but I didn't spend much time looking.
I hear and agree with what you're saying. Autism was mentioned as a possibly in the comments section; however, autistic kids aren't stupid. Like any kid with normal behavior, they learn quickly, starting in infancy, what they can and cannot get by with. A whack across the rear-end does wonders as a learning tool. I know I will incur the wrath of the "what-evers" here with that statement; their citing "physical violence, beatings, abuse, etc."
Y'all's turn.
Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive
No wrath, Seth. You're right, a whack in the behind does teach lessons. Among others, it teaches that a person the child should be able to trust is willing to hurt them. But most unfortunately, it teaches that hitting people is an acceptable way to get them to do what you want, or to express your anger toward them. And a lot - apparently you - carry that learning into adulthood and pass it along to their kids.
But as to treating autistic kids with violence - that's just cruel.
Vrede too wrote:Hey, what do the unanimous experts in the field know anyhow, right?
Nothing, really. Certainly not compared to anecdotal "evidence" that "my daddy spanked me and it didn't do me no harm so I'm gonna spank my kid."
There are some for whom myths will always trump science.
I've often been amazed at how people can compartmentalize their thoughts to the total exclusion of reason. Most people think hitting a spouse is wrong, and is in fact generally illegal. Most people think hitting a neighbor, co-worker, or stranger on the street is wrong and is also generally illegal. But hitting a little kid - the same kid you could be arrested some places for leaving him watching TV while you go for groceries - is OK. Does using the term "spanking" change the actual action? Does cowshit not stink if you call it "organic fertilizer"? Is it, or is it not hitting, with a hand or object, with the intent to cause discomfort? Apply that rather generous definition anywhere else, in any other context - really including your dog - and everyone will say "bad, bad." But they can say, apparently with a straight face, "Although it is a bad thing to hit people in any other context, it's a good and positive thing to hit my kid with my hand or object with the intent of causing him discomfort. I know that hitting him hurts him, and I find that a good thing."
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O Really wrote:No wrath, Seth. You're right, a whack in the behind does teach lessons. And a time out in the bedroom or corner does?
Among others, it teaches that a person the child should be able to trust is willing to hurt them. But most unfortunately, it teaches that hitting people is an acceptable way to get them to do what you want, or to express your anger toward them. And allowing them to curse and spit at you is a way to show them that "sticks and stones, yada, yada" is the way to gain their respect towards you?
And a lot - apparently you - carry that learning into adulthood and pass it along to their kids. And the kids that are cursing and spitting at you don't carry those traits they're allowed to get by with into adulthood and pass it on to their kids? Go back to the cops, or teachers, or anyone in authority; when you were growing up, did you ever spew hatred and venom, or try to fight anyone in authority? If not, why?
But as to treating autistic kids with violence - that's just cruel. Again, the possibility of that boy being autistic was mentioned in the comments.
Allowing children to talk to their parents or persons in authority in such a manner is cruelty. Our society has gotten the notion that calling people names, cursing and screaming, or fighting is perfectly normal behavior. Now, where do you think these notions come from?
Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive
Vrede too wrote:Hey, what do the unanimous experts in the field know anyhow, right?
Such as yourself?
One doesn't have to be an expert to express an expert opinion. Some people actually read.
Oh yeah, how could I have forgotten about all the great minds who turn out "expert" advice and opinions as rapidly as rabbits reproduce? For every "expert" on a given subject, there's three more who know more than the first on any given subject. You ever read the news articles on the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or any other website? Why, there's "experts" to tell you you're preparing your bowl of cereal all wrong, cooking your eggs wrong, wiping your ass wrong . . . the list goes on and on. Yep, them "experts" are all-knowing, alright!
Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive
O Really wrote:... But as to treating autistic kids with violence - that's just cruel.
Maybe if I take Seth Milner's apparent advice and smack my patients around some they'll stop whining so much.
You'll get to retire before January.
Your comparison is absolutely stupid and downright ignorant; but it doesn't surprise me that you would think such. It's apparent you didn't get your ass smacked when you were growing up, or you would have been a better person than what you turned out to be, i.e. a condescending, narcissist asshole.
Own it, you earned it.
Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive
