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O Really wrote:Obvious answers for a white guy, Seth. But since you can't seem to relate to the difference in people of other races/ethnicity very well, and since you like dogs (or at least your dog), let's try another analogy.

A dog that's been treated well all its life, and has no reason to see humans as anything other than food trucks with auto belly rubs might even come willingly to a dogcatcher or a dognapper. Surely would approach people in the park without a growl. Dogs that have received harsh treatment all their lives have earned their trust issues, and it's hard to them them to come to you even if you have food in your hand. For dogs, as well as people, it's not just the conditions of right now that determine how they act, it's the conditions of their lives.
But, what does O Really know?
Mass. High Court Says Black Men May Have Legitimate Reason To Flee Police

Black men who try to avoid an encounter with Boston police by fleeing may have a legitimate reason to do so — and should not be deemed suspicious — according to a ruling by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.

Citing Boston police data and a 2014 report by the ACLU of Massachusetts that found blacks were disproportionately stopped by the city's police, the state’s highest court on Tuesday threw out the gun conviction of Jimmy Warren....

"Lacking any information about facial features, hairstyles, skin tone, height, weight, or other physical characteristics, the victim's description 'contribute[d] nothing to the officers' ability to distinguish the defendant from any other black male' wearing dark clothes and a 'hoodie' in Roxbury."

On the second point, the court noted that state law gives individuals the right to not speak to police and even walk away if they aren’t charged with anything. The court said when an individual does flee, the action doesn't necessarily mean the person is guilty. And when it comes to black men, the BPD and ACLU reports “documenting a pattern of racial profiling of black males in the city of Boston” must be taken into consideration, the court said.

"We do not eliminate flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion analysis whenever a black male is the subject of an investigatory stop. However, in such circumstances, flight is not necessarily probative of a suspect's state of mind or consciousness of guilt. Rather, the finding that black males in Boston are disproportionately and repeatedly targeted for FIO [Field Interrogation and Observation] encounters suggests a reason for flight totally unrelated to consciousness of guilt. Such an individual, when approached by the police, might just as easily be motivated by the desire to avoid the recurring indignity of being racially profiled as by the desire to hide criminal activity. Given this reality for black males in the city of Boston, a judge should, in appropriate cases, consider the report's findings in weighing flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion calculus."

... The ACLU's report found that between 2007 and 2010, 63 percent of Boston police encounters were with blacks, though at that time the city's black population was just 24 percent. Notably, the report said that taking into account high-crime neighborhoods did not explain the disparity....
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Maybe the cop should have politely asked the kid if that was a real gun; ya think?

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Seth Milner wrote:Maybe the cop should have politely asked the kid if that was a real gun; ya think?

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Those cops at least had a better argument than usual. There had been a robbery or burglary, there was a description of the perps and since all black kids look alike, the three matched the description. Apparently one did pull a realistic looking gun. Of course, on the news tonight was a guy running from the cops on a bridge, they surrounded him, he pulled out some kind of long object and pointed it at them, they waited to see what it was, then tackled him and hauled him off relatively unharmed. Of course he was white, what did you expect? And shortly after that was a video of cops tasing a guy who was already in custody, facing a wall with his hands behind his back.Of course he was black, what did you expect?

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O Really wrote:.... on the news tonight was a guy running from the cops on a bridge, they surrounded him, he pulled out some kind of long object and pointed it at them, they waited to see what it was, then tackled him and hauled him off relatively unharmed. Of course he was white, what did you expect? And shortly after that was a video of cops tasing a guy who was already in custody, facing a wall with his hands behind his back.Of course he was black, what did you expect?
Police Killed 5 White People The Same Day As Keith Scott

But what did you expect? . . . it's only Black lives that matter
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Interesting list. Did you read it, and did you notice anything about the victims? Here's what I noticed: All but one of the victims actually committed a crime. All but one of the victims were, without dispute, armed with guns. The one who was sitting in his car, not being chased or suspected of a crime, and still got killed was the black one. Nice try, though.

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O Really wrote:Interesting list. Did you read it, and did you notice anything about the victims? Here's what I noticed: All but one of the victims actually committed a crime. All but one of the victims were, without dispute, armed with guns. The one who was sitting in his car, not being chased or suspected of a crime, and still got killed was the black one. Nice try, though.
I wasn't really 'trying' anything, O Really; other than to show that whites die at the hands of the law as well as Blacks. My point was the liberal media fans the flames of racism and hate by dwelling on and gleaning every bit of the life out of these incidents involving Black shootings. I was watching the Asheville ABC station the other night; they still had two reporters out scouring the streets of Charlotte looking for something that even closely resembled a protest they could report on.
No riots and unrest = no dramatic news stories. Here's another take:

Charlotte rioters don’t care if shooting was justified
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O Really wrote:Interesting list. Did you read it, and did you notice anything about the victims? Here's what I noticed: All but one of the victims actually committed a crime. All but one of the victims were, without dispute, armed with guns. The one who was sitting in his car, not being chased or suspected of a crime, and still got killed was the black one. Nice try, though.
There's also the counter-argument: The recent concern over police killing unarmed blacks has much to do with the rise of cell phone cameras and dash-cams leading the public to discover that unarmed whites are ALSO being killed. "Wait; I thought it was just THEM!"

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Of course whites get killed by cops, too. Nobody said they didn't. But not nearly at the same rate, and not usually for some of the same actions. Your list of dead white guys doesn't include any teenagers standing in a park by themselves. It doesn't include anybody stopped for a "routine" traffic stop. You can be sure there are lots of other black people and hispanic people that cops shoot that don't get much press because the circumstances appear on the face to be a reasonable use of force. Finding five or a hundred or a thousand cases that aren't like the ones being protested doesn't refute the validity of cause.

And you can't be serious that it's the "liberal media" (whatever that is) that fans the flames of racism, unless you include Fox, InfoWars, and Breitbart as part of the "liberal media." Now if you want to say that most media loves them some "if it bleeds it leads" stories and they drool over the prospect of being able to spread fear and a sense of danger and discord, then sure, I'll agree with you. A good ol' riot will be better news every day than a garden club report. While we're at it, let's bash the weather people too, for giving more coverage to a hurricane than a sunny day. Florida weather chicks can get a week's worth of excitement out of some little storm 200 miles off coast as long as it has a name.

Stirring up crap is human nature. Doesn't mean the problem isn't real.

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In Charlotte, as in so many other places, it was riot first, and ask questions later.
For only a subset of people. You know, just like only a subset of police are shooting first and asking questions later.

The REALLY ugly truth is that it's only once the riots started over the killings that the press has focused on the issue and the government has taken it seriously.

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The author and no doubt Seth Milner, aided by a media that drools "over the prospect of being able to spread fear and a sense of danger and discord", intend to smear all activists with the small numbers of rioters. You won't find them writing or posting about the much larger numbers of protests and participants that have been nonviolent.
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Cities and the general public follows a pattern common in many companies - ignore a problem or complaint and hope that it or the complainer goes away before you have to fix it. I've seen it often:
1. Guy goes to human resources, says he's pretty sure he should have gotten overtime for some work;
2. HR gives him some "we'll look into it" answer and does little if anything;
3. Guy goes back to HR, says where's my OT;
4. HR brushes him off with some mumbo jumbo
5. Guy says he's not working any more OT without getting paid for it;
6. Guy gets fired for bad attitude;
7. Company gets notice from DOL or plaintiff attorney;
8. Company blames "disgruntled employee" who is just mad over his soundly justified termination
9. Company gets ass handed to them and ends up paying back pay and penalties to the guy and a lot of other "similarly situated" employees in the company. (as well as adding substantially and needlessly to their own lawyer's boat/Europe trip fund)

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Yo, Seth... Explain this one away with "liberal media" "quick decision" "fear for life" yada...

http://www.businessinsider.com/black-17 ... him-2016-9

"One of my favorite students had his car stolen last night. He's a 17 year old black male. Thought it would be a good idea to call the cops.

Groceries in hand he checks his LoJack app first and can see that its moving down the road. Cops arrive and immediately frisk him.

They ask him if he's on drugs. He tries to tell them that he just wants his car back.

He shows them on his phone exactly where his car is. They don't believe him so they put him in the squad car and take him in. They process him and take his fingerprints.

He gets to call his mom and she raises hell. After a long time they let him go."

They then allow him to go get his car and the window is broken in. It was exactly where the app said."

This never would have happened to me because I'm white. He called the cops asking for help and got treated like a criminal.

Just because he's black and could afford a fancy car."

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Are there times when you wish you were a tort lawyer?
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Vrede too wrote:Are there times when you wish you were a tort lawyer?
It does sound like fun sometimes. I'm thinking this kid is going to have no trouble finding representation. :lol:

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WTF? COPS SHOT A WHITE MAN IN MARYLAND AND NOBODY LOOTED WALMART!!
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Last week black rioters in Charlotte, NC tore the city up to protest the “racism” of a black cop shooting an armed black man. On Monday in Howard County Maryland, cops shot an armed white man and so far there have been no reports of rioting. The WalMart hasn’t been looted and roving gangs of white people aren't beating up random blacks. What the hell is going on? Don’t white people understand how racism and state oppression work?In Charlotte, 43-year-old Keith Scott was shot and killed when he brandished a handgun and refused police commands to drop the weapon. In a similar case in Maryland, an unnamed 40-year-old white man was shot when he brandished a firearm and refused commands to drop the weapon.

WJLA reports that Howard County police were alerted to a man with a gun who may be headed to a home to kill his family and then himself. The officers caught up with the man in his Jeep Cherokee and a 40-minute stand-off began. At various times he put the gun to his head but didn’t pull the trigger. The police have speculated the man was trying to commit “suicide by cop.”

Eventually the man got out of his vehicle and pointed the gun at officers. The police shot the man one time in the torso, dropping him immediately. A special tactical medical response team was on hand and the man was airlifted to a hospital where he is listed in critical condition. This man is white. There is no word on the race of the officer who shot him.

I did some digging but I couldn't find any reports of white protesters gathering in front of the police station demanding justice. Howard County is 75% white, but so far none of this racial majority appears to be outraged. There have been no reports of white gangs beating innocent black people to protest this shooting.


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Seth Milner wrote:WTF? COPS SHOT A WHITE MAN IN MARYLAND AND NOBODY LOOTED WALMART!![/size]
WTF? RACIST DOUCHEBAG CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE A WHITE MAN POINTING A GUN AT COPS AND UNARMED BLACK MEN!!

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Seth Milner wrote:WTF? COPS SHOT A WHITE MAN IN MARYLAND AND NOBODY LOOTED WALMART!!
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Last week black rioters in Charlotte, NC tore the city up to protest the “racism” of a black cop shooting an armed black man. On Monday in Howard County Maryland, cops shot an armed white man and so far there have been no reports of rioting. The WalMart hasn’t been looted and roving gangs of white people aren't beating up random blacks. What the hell is going on? Don’t white people understand how racism and state oppression work?In Charlotte, 43-year-old Keith Scott was shot and killed when he brandished a handgun and refused police commands to drop the weapon. In a similar case in Maryland, an unnamed 40-year-old white man was shot when he brandished a firearm and refused commands to drop the weapon.

WJLA reports that Howard County police were alerted to a man with a gun who may be headed to a home to kill his family and then himself. The officers caught up with the man in his Jeep Cherokee and a 40-minute stand-off began. At various times he put the gun to his head but didn’t pull the trigger. The police have speculated the man was trying to commit “suicide by cop.”

Eventually the man got out of his vehicle and pointed the gun at officers. The police shot the man one time in the torso, dropping him immediately. A special tactical medical response team was on hand and the man was airlifted to a hospital where he is listed in critical condition. This man is white. There is no word on the race of the officer who shot him.

I did some digging but I couldn't find any reports of white protesters gathering in front of the police station demanding justice. Howard County is 75% white, but so far none of this racial majority appears to be outraged. There have been no reports of white gangs beating innocent black people to protest this shooting.


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WTF? COPS SHOT A WHITE MAN IN MARYLAND AND NOBODY LOOTED WALMART
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Seth, is this Downtrend crap something you use


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No wonder you didn't attribute the author
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billy.pilgrim wrote:Yeah, ol Brian is a maroon
Or far worse. Check out his Twitter feed. No wonder Seth quotes him.

The site the "article" comes from shows up on lists of hoax web sites.

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