The homophobic thread :>

[O Really]

Well, I wouldn't necessarily try to find the term "zombie" in the Bible, but they are the "undead" which is what an entity would be if it had physically died and then brought back to some form of life so as to be judged, right? And at that point, the entity would not be a physical person, because that form had already died and rotted. And in spirit form, it wouldn't be part of a physical existence in which the fire - if it's literal - still exists. All I'm saying is that the "lake of fire" must by definition be metaphoric. Same thing with "streets of gold" in that an entity who had passed the judging and been rewarded with eternal, but not physical, life would have no use for physical gold - or streets. And even if it did, if gold was so plentiful as to use it for paving, it would have no more value than earthly asphalt. Metaphor. NTTAWWT.

[indago]

Dang, it's almost here, just 30 months after the dinosaurs took their last crap on the NC Constitution. It's still sinking in for me, I'm not used to winning.

You mean, you and your partner are finally going to get married?

[indago]

Nevada - How fast will the first gay-themed drive thru chapel open up in Vegas? I see some fabulous weddings happening before long.

(NC) AG Cooper to counties: Get ready for gay marriage

Dang, it's almost here, just 30 months after the dinosaurs took their last crap on the NC Constitution. It's still sinking in for me, I'm not used to winning.

You mean, you and your partner are finally going to get married?

Less than an hour earlier:

...Mr.B...

"obsessing with (me)" is what you and indago just did today in speculating on my orientation. Own it...

Does that mean that you and your partner are NOT going to get married?

[Mr.B]

"Well, Mr.B, all the whiny attack kinda makes it sleazy, but you did apologize which was an unasked for and unexpected bonus - thanks.
All I wanted was an acknowledgment....... "
You're welcome......"You take the slightest jab at you personal....."

"condescending nature" - Ummm, you think you're better than millions of people just because of who they love, want them treated as less than equal in law and policy, and think that Almighty God is standing at your shoulder because of it. Doesn't get any more condescending than that."
I have never said that I thought, or that I was any better than anyone else; nor have I indicated that God was backing me up; however I have quoted scripture in my beliefs and opinions.

"Funny, it's kinda hard to do my job with "no people skills, i.e., in interacting with others". I'll tell my boss your opinion, maybe I'll get to retire early."
"People skills" meaning how to converse with others without presenting an air of arrogance and superiority.

"Besides, we were adversarial buddies until I rejected your beer invitation and you became so, so obsessed with gays this summer. Remember?"
I didn't really think there was any change other than your inclusion of my wife. I didn't expect the beer invitation to be accepted anyway because of our differing personalities and opinions. I don't discuss opinions, beliefs, and/or religion every waking moment.

My making comments in this thread is what you labeled as an "obsession with gays"; you labeled me "obsessed" because I disagree with homosexuality on a religious stance and a belief that's it's an unnatural trait brought on by a perverse nature.

"obsessing with (me)" is what you and indago just did today in speculating on my orientation. Own it.
I could care less about your orientation; let alone obsess over it. My asking a question is hardly an obsession..You take the slightest jab at you personal.

"I know I'm weird....."
Boy Howdy!

[O Really]

Some may remember my comments back when Amendment One was voted in - that while I was disappointed it passed, I wasn't particularly concerned about it because (a) it didn't really change anything since marriage equality was already illegal in NC; and (b) it wouldn't last long before being overturned. Amirite or what?

[O Really]

Would you have predicted just 2 1/2 years? I sure didn't. I'm still not sure I'll believe it until I see a gay marriage in Hendersonville.

I don't remember - but I think I thought fewer than 5. The only question would have been how long it would take a case covering NC to get to the Supremes and not whether it would be overturned. I would not have guessed they'd punt on the cases, though.

[O Really]

In theory, SSM could soon be nationwide without SCOTUS doing a thing.

In probability, actually. But the 5th could toss a monkey wrench into unanimity. Even then, all that would happen is the Supremes would overturn them. There are no different legal arguments there, just same ol' same ol'.

[O Really]

I don't have a lot of faith in the Roberts Court per se, but overall the Supreme Court tends to get more right than wrong, sometimes despite themselves. If the 5th went the other way, and the case went to the Supremes, I don't think you could find anybody who would predict that they'd overturn all the prior cases and uphold the outlier. There's always the possibility that an issue could be framed so narrowly as to be upheld - like the anti-abortion people keep trying to do, but it still wouldn't bring back legal marriage discrimination. In the Louisiana case, Feldman (the judge) ruled from a states' rights basis. Nogonnafly in this issue.

[Boatrocker]

If the 5th went the other way, and the case went to the Supremes, I don't think you could find anybody who would predict that they'd overturn all the prior cases and uphold the outlier.

Maybe not, but I would not be surprised in the least. This is the worst SCoTUS majority in a long, long time.

[O Really]

First one in South Carolina...

A South Carolina court issued a marriage license to a same-sex couple Wednesday despite the state's constitutional ban and the attorney general's pledge to defend it. The couple, Charleston County Councilwoman Colleen Condon and Nichols Bleckley, said they had wanted to wait until same-sex marriages were legal in South Carolina, as opposed to getting married elsewhere, and they planned a wedding celebration next year

[indago]

Journalist Roxana Hegeman wrote for The Associated Press 8 October 2014:
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Officials in some conservative states, where Supreme Court action could clear the way for same-sex weddings, say they won't issue marriage licenses to gay couples until their hands are forced. ...Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt noted that, to date, no court has squarely decided whether the Kansas Constitution's prohibition of same-sex marriage is invalid and that the state will deal with any litigation as it comes. And Republican Gov. Sam Brownback, fighting a close re-election battle in which he needs conservative support, says the state should defend the ban. "The people have spoken on this," Brownback said. "I don't know how much more you can bolster it than to have a vote of the people to put in the constitution that marriage is the union of a man and a woman." Wyoming Gov. Matt Mead said the state's attorney general will also defend its constitution defining marriage between a man and a woman, and that the U.S. Supreme Court's refusal to hear appeals of gay marriage bans had no impact on a state case contesting that definition. South Carolina's attorney general said if a court specifically rules against that state's gay marriage ban, he will then decide how to proceed.

In Kansas' Reno County, Julia and Regina Johnson were given the paperwork Tuesday to apply for a marriage license before a clerk called them hours later to say their application was denied.
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"Officials in some conservative states ...say they won't issue marriage licenses to gay couples until their hands are forced."

I feel the same way: Make me accept the perverted homosexual lifestyle

[bannination]

Journalist Roxana Hegeman wrote for The Associated Press 8 October 2014:
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Officials in some conservative states, where Supreme Court action could clear the way for same-sex weddings, say they won't issue marriage licenses to gay couples until their hands are forced. ...Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt noted that, to date, no court has squarely decided whether the Kansas Constitution's prohibition of same-sex marriage is invalid and that the state will deal with any litigation as it comes. And Republican Gov. Sam Brownback, fighting a close re-election battle in which he needs conservative support, says the state should defend the ban. "The people have spoken on this," Brownback said. "I don't know how much more you can bolster it than to have a vote of the people to put in the constitution that marriage is the union of a man and a woman." Wyoming Gov. Matt Mead said the state's attorney general will also defend its constitution defining marriage between a man and a woman, and that the U.S. Supreme Court's refusal to hear appeals of gay marriage bans had no impact on a state case contesting that definition. South Carolina's attorney general said if a court specifically rules against that state's gay marriage ban, he will then decide how to proceed.

In Kansas' Reno County, Julia and Regina Johnson were given the paperwork Tuesday to apply for a marriage license before a clerk called them hours later to say their application was denied.
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"Officials in some conservative states ...say they won't issue marriage licenses to gay couples until their hands are forced."

I feel the same way: Make me accept the perverted homosexual lifestyle

You make it sound as if you're going gay.

[O Really]

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I feel the same way: Make me accept the perverted homosexual lifestyle

Question: Could you explain exactly how it would affect your personal life if the gay couple living in your neighborhood - who you may not even know personally - got married? And how their marriage is "Mak[ing you] accept the perverted homosexual lifestyle"? If any of the gay people who work for your employer got married, exactly how would that affect you personally?

[Mr.B]

"You make it sound as if you're going gay."

Which is an untolerable thing..... right?

You make it sound as though being "gay" is not a situation you'd want yourself to be in. So who are you trying to impress with your feigned "tolerant" postings?

[Mr.B]

"Question: Could you explain exactly how it would affect your personal life if the gay couple living in your neighborhood - who you may not even know personally - got married? And how their marriage is "Mak[ing you] accept the perverted homosexual lifestyle"? If any of the gay people who work for your employer got married, exactly how would that affect you personally?"

Watch it O Really...you're obsessing with "gay sex".

[Mr.B]

"I see. I cut you a lot of slack........"

You're also stubborn and a hard-head.

[bannination]

"You make it sound as if you're going gay."

Which is an untolerable thing..... right?

You make it sound as though being "gay" is not a situation you'd want yourself to be in. So who are you trying to impress with your feigned "tolerant" postings?

I'm not gay, doesn't turn me on, so sure, I don't want to be gay. Don't care what other people do though, that's none of my business. I'm not tolerant or intolerant. They should be treated just like any other human being with the same rights as every other human being.

Surely you can see the difference? .... meh.. won't hold my breath.

[O Really]

"Question: Could you explain exactly how it would affect your personal life if the gay couple living in your neighborhood - who you may not even know personally - got married? And how their marriage is "Mak[ing you] accept the perverted homosexual lifestyle"? If any of the gay people who work for your employer got married, exactly how would that affect you personally?"

Watch it O Really...you're obsessing with "gay sex".

Interesting comment, since I said nothing whatsoever about sexual activity, gay or otherwise. My question was about marriage.
For example, I've got people living in my neighborhood who appear to be straight (male/female couples) and some who appear to be gay (female/female and male/male). I have no idea about the sexual practices, if any, of any of those people. If I invite them over for drinks on the deck, I don't ask about nor discuss their sexual activity. When the male couple borrows my kayaks, I don't ask how their sex life is, and they don't ask or know about mine. But the gay people in my neighborhood don't affect my marriage or my life. They've got a house down the street, live there peaceably as good neighbors, and I don't see how anything would change if they were (or when they beome) married. Maybe indago (or Mr.B) would find his/her life different if the neighbors got married. If so, I just wanted to know how.

[indago]

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I feel the same way: Make me accept the perverted homosexual lifestyle

Question: Could you explain exactly how it would affect your personal life if the gay couple living in your neighborhood - who you may not even know personally - got married? And how their marriage is "Mak[ing you] accept the perverted homosexual lifestyle"? If any of the gay people who work for your employer got married, exactly how would that affect you personally?

Journalist Donald McNeil wrote for The New York Times 27 November 2013:
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Federal health officials are reporting a sharp increase in unprotected sex among gay American men, a development that makes it harder to fight the AIDS epidemic. The same trend has recently been documented among gay men in Canada, Britain, the Netherlands, France and Australia, heightening concerns among public health officials worldwide. ...“It’s like what the Red Queen said to Alice: ‘You have to run faster and faster to stay in the same place,’ ” Dr. Frieden said. “When you go from one million infected to 1.2 million, you have to do better and better just to stay steady.”
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Yes, that's just what we need now in this country: a higher risk of the AIDS epidemic. I wonder how Obamacare would handle that?

[indago]

On March 23, 2010, President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act and set into place an effort that will help ensure Americans have secure, stable, affordable health insurance. Historically, people living with HIV and AIDS have had a difficult time obtaining private health insurance and have been particularly vulnerable to insurance industry abuses. Consistent with the goals of the President’s National HIV/AIDS Strategy, the Affordable Care Act makes considerable strides in addressing these concerns and advancing equality for people living with HIV and AIDS.

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Great! We get to subsidize their lifestyle to a greater extent!