Big Brother is Watching You

[O Really]

Yes, he was accurately quoted. But if you'd like to see the actual speech in the context it was presented instead of a blog quoting The Guardian, here it is...
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/event/222717

[Ombudsman]

Yes, he was accurately quoted. But if you'd like to see the actual speech in the context it was presented instead of a blog quoting The Guardian, here it is...
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/event/222717

That's definitely worth a watch.

[bannination]

Protecting America's electric grid from cyber attack?

Um... don't have our power grid hooked up the internet in any way, shape, or form. This is sooo reactive, instead of improving our security so that it doesn't happen they are more concerned about who did it.

Those in private industry should have and do have security experts just like everyone else. They are responsible for securing their own data, not the government, not anyone else. It is just a hand out.

When private industry wants to protect their physical presence they hire security guards, buy cameras, etc. They don't bring in government employee's on our dime. Everything Haden says is such bullshit.

[O Really]

Protecting America's electric grid from cyber attack?

Um... don't have our power grid hooked up the internet in any way, shape, or form. This is sooo reactive, instead of improving our security so that it doesn't happen they are more concerned about who did it.

Those in private industry should have and do have security experts just like everyone else. They are responsible for securing their own data, not the government, not anyone else. It is just a hand out.

When private industry wants to protect their physical presence they hire security guards, buy cameras, etc. They don't bring in government employee's on our dime. Everything Haden says is such bullshit.

Some, such as this article in CNet, appear to disagree. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10216702-83.html

[bannination]

Protecting America's electric grid from cyber attack?

Um... don't have our power grid hooked up the internet in any way, shape, or form. This is sooo reactive, instead of improving our security so that it doesn't happen they are more concerned about who did it.

Those in private industry should have and do have security experts just like everyone else. They are responsible for securing their own data, not the government, not anyone else. It is just a hand out.

When private industry wants to protect their physical presence they hire security guards, buy cameras, etc. They don't bring in government employee's on our dime. Everything Haden says is such bullshit.

Some, such as this article in CNet, appear to disagree. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10216702-83.html

I'm not disagreeing that there are issues, but the issues are caused by the companies themselves.

utilities increasingly rely on the public Internet,

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.
BIG NO!! I see this as a case of CEO's ignoring their employee's..... buuuut the internet is cheaper!!!!

[Ombudsman]

Less than a month after it was identified as the email service that Edward Snowden used to leak NSA documents, LavaBit has suddenly and mysteriously shuttered.
The service’s creator, Ladar Levison, cited pending legal woes for the shutdown. Although he remained vague about the details, it’s likely to have something to do with the June scandal that rocked the nation:

”I feel you deserve to know what’s going on–the First Amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this. Unfortunately, Congress has passed laws that say otherwise. As things currently stand, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests.”

The privacy-minded email service had plenty of features that make it more secure than your typical email service — particularly asymmetrical encryption, which encrypts a message on Lavabit’s servers, requiring a password for anyone to read it. Lavabit’s focus on privacy means that not even the platform could read or analyze messages as they were transmitted, although that doesn’t seem to have stopped the site from being criminally implicated.

Levinson wrote that Lavabit has filed the proper papers to take the case to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, where a favorable verdict could put the website back online. But he said the experience has significantly weakened his trust in the U.S. as a place to do business.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/gig ... ?hpt=hp_t2

[O Really]

The Chrome browser will gladly give up your passwords it has stored.

It really is possible, at least in theory, for a hacker to use your webcam to get pics of you or your house.

Your car's computer-controlled parts can be hacked, along with your "smart" house.

RFID skimmers can steal your credit card number out of your pocket.

A box of I-9 forms is a treasure trove of identity theft opportunities.

You use "1234" for a PIN and password on everything.

Facebook accidentally exposed six million users’ phone numbers and e-mail addresses to unauthorized viewers over the last year.

Eastern European computer programmers hacked into the servers of 12 American companies and stole 160 million credit card numbers, plus got into Nasdaq.

Your phone can be taken over through a security flaw in the SIM card.

Etc.
But we wring our hands because the damgummint is "Big Brother."

[Boatrocker]

. . . Facebook accidentally exposed six million users’ phone numbers and e-mail addresses to unauthorized viewers over the last year . . . .

Yeah, I'm sure that was an accident.

[Troll Patrol]

O Really, your assertion that the fact that corporations, which do not have the incentive to look for the things government does nor the ability to exact the consequences government does, intruding on our privacy somehow makes government intrusion on our privacy peachy keen makes no sense to me. It's just another version of 'two wrongs make a right'. In contrast, I'm in favor of limitations on both corporations and government, and I do what I can to limit corporate intrusion - for example not doing all the online finance stuff that you do - but there's little I can personally do about government abuses.

Holy S---! I agree Vrede. Corporations would only use this info to try and sell you their stuff. OTH, the governennt can really F--- with someone with all this info and what they already control. Plus, the government has the FBI, IRS and military to enforce their will. Last time I checked no corporation has this kind of power.

[O Really]

I'm making no argument for peachy keen anywhere. I'm talking about risk, perceived risk, and the related angst. I also think the traditional concept of "privacy" isn't very applicable anywhere anymore. Not that that's a good thing, but it is what it is.

[O Really]

I wonder what "F---ing" Troll has in mind for garden variety citizens. Who is "someone" and what might they have done to attract the attention of "the government." Yeah, yeah, somebody trot out the parade of horribles of those falsely accused of something or misuse of power. Then compare it to a list of those apparently accurately accused and a proper use of power.

[O Really]

No problem, compare the tally of those negatively affected by the Red Scare, J. Edgar Hoover, infiltrating the civil rights movement, Nixon's dirty tricks and his enemies list, COINTELPRO, CISPES, provocateurs, drug war, mass surveillance of innocent Muslims, "informants" without which "terror" cells never would have done anything or ever been able to do anything, imprisoning more of our people than anywhere else, and OWS repression vs. the number of so-called terrorists negatively affected by the snooping.

Impressive list of eveel. And if all those events had the same causes, and if those causes were broadbased government repressive malfeasance, you might be frightening. But for purposes of getting me to join you at the baricades, you can't count anything that was illegal when it occurred; you can't count anything that was legal when it occurred just because you disagree with the law allowing it; and you can't count anything that was long ago recognized as wrong, illegal or abusive and has subsequently been fixed to reduce the likelihood of re-occurrence. J. Edgar has left the building.

You also probably shouldn't attribute to malice what can easily be explained by incompetence.

[Ombudsman]

The agency says in the memo that its systems monitor 1.6% of the world's Internet traffic, and its analysts review only .00004% of global traffic.

Published accounts drawn from leaked documents provided by admitted NSA leaker Edward Snowden have portrayed a much broader eavesdropping system under section 702 of the Patriot Act.

Another document from the Justice Department describes the legal basis for collecting the telephone metadata, such as the numbers dialed, the length and time of the calls.
Obama: Snowden was no patriot Obama: 'Mixed success' with Putin
The document also explains why government lawyers say the program carried out under section 215 of the Patriot Act respects constitutional First and Fourth Amendment freedoms, which protect free speech rights and prohibit the government from unreasonable search and seizure.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/09/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t2

[Ombudsman]

that Ombudsman quoted the supposed global number but not the US figure that immediately preceded it.

You're confused, again. I was quoting the facts on internet tracking. You quoted the information on telephone metadata tracking, which has already been known and discussed ad nauseum in this thread.

[Ombudsman]

Nice dodge. The truth is we've discussed both at length and you got caught trying to minimize the issue.

By linking to the entire article? Right. Makes perfect sense.

So, let's just call it a lie when busted, again.

Yes once again you've been busted not comprehending the issue and unwilling to admit such. I linked to an article. If you want to spend several days dissecting it sentence by sentence and projecting your paranoid conspiracies onto it like you do on every single post everyone makes, go for it. That seems to be your only hobby.

[bannination]

Lavabit's closure marks the death of secure cloud computing in the US

Once Edward Snowden's use of the email service was public, it was perhaps a given that Lavabit would be targeted by the US

Unfortunately, as we know from the Verizon leaks that started this whole thing off, you can find out a huge amount about people without ever looking at their actual data. The metadata they leave behind – data about their data – is just as valuable. In Lavabit's case, that almost certainly includes who Snowden has been emailing, and when. Depending on how much data the site stores, and how careful Snowden was when accessing it (he may have taken measures such as accessing the site through anonymisers like Tor, which would limit the damage), they could have details such as when he checked his inbox, what IP address he was checking from, and which browser he was using.

[Ombudsman]

You are confused, again, or pretending to be. It's pathetic how shaky your ego is.
ooping.

LOL - Good god woman you are absolutely certifiable. Yeah it's my ego that's fragile, says the woman still kicking and screaming that I don't find her technically savvy. What a hoot. Next time I post a link it means you can read the whole thing if you want. It doesn't mean I'm hiding anything because I didn't quote the whole fucking thing. It just means I'm adhering to copyright law and narrowing it down to the relevant point.

[Mr.B]

"You are confused, again, or pretending to be. It's pathetic how shaky your ego is."

Missed you while you were gone... ...I see you and Oms are picking up where you left off......

[Ombudsman]

"You are confused, again, or pretending to be. It's pathetic how shaky your ego is."

Missed you while you were gone... ...I see you and Oms are picking up where you left off......

Yep. Back to ignoring her. What a loon. Interesting how many more people became involved in the discussions during her hiatus though huh?

[Mr.B]

"You are confused, again, or pretending to be. It's pathetic how shaky your ego is."

Missed you while you were gone... ...I see you and Oms are picking up where you left off......

"Yep. Back to ignoring her."

You are?