Gun Legislation

[neoplacebo]

I'll go with national gun registry. It can be put right there with the national crime registry. Then each state can print it out and have their state's own gun registry. Easy.

[neoplacebo]

Here's a couple of "good guys" with concealed permits... http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/pair ... 67661.html

I thought somebody said concealed carry holders are good shots. These guys must have found their permits in expired boxes of Cap'n Krunch.

[O Really]

Here's a couple of "good guys" with concealed permits... http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/pair ... 67661.html

I thought somebody said concealed carry holders are good shots. These guys must have found their permits in expired boxes of Cap'n Krunch.

Nobody said they were good shots - just that their holding a CCP meant they were "proficient."

At least he wasn't texting...
"that's when Adamany began emptying the magazine of his gun, shooting out the window with his left hand while driving and using the phone with his right hand, he told police."

[O Really]

"Piemonte was struck by a .38-caliber bullet fired from a .357-caliber five-shot revolver, according to the sheriff's department report, which described the shooting as an accident."

See, that's what drives me nuts. How can it be an "accident" when an instructor, whose first words out of his mouth includes some variation of "make sure it's unloaded...don't point at anything you don't intend to shoot..."? It's negligence resulting in bodily injury. Why does the "opps" defense work when it's a gun, but wouldn't work if he had run over him because he didn't look behind while backing?

[neoplacebo]

I agree, but confess gun ignorance. Isn't the 32 or 38 or 45 referring to the diameter of the bullet? And if so, how can a 38 round be fired from a 357 gun? Wouldn't it be a big opps? stuck bullet? big bang? I give up.

[neoplacebo]

I believe everything, and I mean everything, is open to interpretation.

[Roland Deschain]

I agree, but confess gun ignorance. Isn't the 32 or 38 or 45 referring to the diameter of the bullet? And if so, how can a 38 round be fired from a 357 gun? Wouldn't it be a big opps? stuck bullet? big bang? I give up.

That is one of the ones I've never understood why the names are what they are. The only difference between the 357 magnum and the 38 special is case length. The 357 magnum is the longer of the two. Both of them use a .357" diameter bullet and the shorter 38 special will chamber and fire in the 357 cylinder. It is not uncommon for 357 owners to shoot 38 special rounds out of their guns for two reason.....38 rounds are cheaper and there is a significant reduction in recoil for practicing. The way this article is written makes me think it was a 38 special round in a 357 magnum handgun.

[neoplacebo]

Ok, thanks. I thought the designations were relative to bullet diameter, so didn't understand how the 38 could fit the 357 (a diameter difference of 23 thousandths of an inch, which approaches 1/32 of an inch....a significant difference with regard to the bore of a barrel). What is the actual clearance (difference) between the bullet diameter and the bore diameter? I would think it's just a few thousandths of an inch.....

[Boatrocker]

...I believe the Second Amendment is not open to interpretation, it plainly says that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed...

It says more than that, didn't you know? Granted, the meaning of "Militia" in it is a matter of some dispute but there can be no confusion over the "well regulated" that you and the NRA oppose.

Gun humpers view "infringed" as the only word therein not subject to interpretation.

[rstrong]

...I believe the Second Amendment is not open to interpretation, it plainly says that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed...

It says more than that, didn't you know? Granted, the meaning of "Militia" in it is a matter of some dispute but there can be no confusion over the "well regulated" that you and the NRA oppose.

In the 2008 case of District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to own guns for personal use, unconnected with service in a militia.

The Second Amendment's "well-regulated militia" bit is about early American antifederalist fears that the Federal Government would disarm their citizens’ militias, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. It's meant to protect the citizens' right to a well-organized militia, not to take away their rights outside of a militia.

[O Really]

Good reason to support "take your guns to work" laws...
http://www.christianpost.com/news/walma ... to-102319/

[Boatrocker]

Good reason to support "take your guns to work" laws...
http://www.christianpost.com/news/walma ... to-102319/

"The incident reportedly took place in the Walmart store's liquor section . . . ."

Yeah. The thought of a liquor section in a Walmart is disquieting enough. Once you'uns is a-bringin yer guns to work, the only damn thing missing is likker! Yeee-Haaawww!
I sometimes wonder if ol' Sam is spinning in his grave.

[O Really]

Wisconsin doesn't actually have a "take your guns to work" law - yet - but apparently Wal-Mart only prohibits employees to take firearms into the store. Ease of access certainly can facilitate problems, though. Of course, if the other employee had brought in her gun, too, maybe they could have just darwined each other and let somebody else have their jobs.

[homerfobe]

Yeah. The thought of a liquor section in a Walmart is disquieting enough. I sometimes wonder if ol' Sam is spinning in his grave.

Walmart would sell used rubbers if they thought they could make a few extra bucks or run someone else out of business.
Greediest bastards on planet Earth. Ol' Sam was no exception.

[Boatrocker]

Ol' Sam was a saint next to that cadaverous old woman and the greedy rabble surrounding her.

[neoplacebo]

When I go to Wal Mart I wear a cape and have a 44 tucked in the back of my pants. I generally go early in the morning because I like to run full speed with a buggy so my cape flows magestically in my wake. The staff has never been other than gracious to me.

[O Really]

New Jersey governor vetoes proposed ban on .50 caliber rifles

Not too smart, it's probably the only gun that can bag him.

Yeppers - just the kind of equipment all the "Jersey Shore" people ought to have:

http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-rifle ... tac-50.php

"As an anti-materiel rifle, the TAC-50 can precisely disable enemy assets from long range for a relatively low cost. Various military armor-piercing, incendiary and explosive ammunition for the 50 BMG provides an inexpensive means of neutralizing lightly armored targets. For example, one well placed round in an engine block will stop a vehicle. The rifle is also effective against radar equipment, communications equipment, crew-served weapons, mechanical targets and similar targets. The 50 BMG will penetrate most commercial brick or concrete walls."

[rstrong]

"As an anti-materiel rifle, the TAC-50 can precisely disable enemy assets from long range for a relatively low cost. Various military armor-piercing, incendiary and explosive ammunition for the 50 BMG provides an inexpensive means of neutralizing lightly armored targets. For example, one well placed round in an engine block will stop a vehicle. The rifle is also effective against radar equipment, communications equipment, crew-served weapons, mechanical targets and similar targets. The 50 BMG will penetrate most commercial brick or concrete walls."

In other words you can protect yourself in a home invasion. Stand your ground.

[billy.pilgrim]

...I believe the Second Amendment is not open to interpretation, it plainly says that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed...

It says more than that, didn't you know? Granted, the meaning of "Militia" in it is a matter of some dispute but there can be no confusion over the "well regulated" that you and the NRA oppose.

Gun humpers view "infringed" as the only word therein not subject to interpretation.

so why won't anyone on the pro gun side of this great molehill debate explain to me why I can't go out and buy a M65 280mm atomic cannon.

simple question that deserves an answer from those who read the Constitution so simply

splain it to me tag

[Roland Deschain]

Ok, thanks. I thought the designations were relative to bullet diameter, so didn't understand how the 38 could fit the 357 (a diameter difference of 23 thousandths of an inch, which approaches 1/32 of an inch....a significant difference with regard to the bore of a barrel). What is the actual clearance (difference) between the bullet diameter and the bore diameter? I would think it's just a few thousandths of an inch.....

For all rights and purposes there is no difference. The inside of any rifled barrel actually has two different measurements.....the high points of the rifling (lands) and the low points (grooves). Take a 30 caliber bore (.308), the grooves will measure .308 while the lands will measure a few thousands smaller such as .302. This allows the lands to cut into the bullet and give it the spinning spiral flight while the grooves provide a precise seal for the gases produced by the powder charge for propulsion of the bullet.