A Florida Man...

[Vrede too]

We can hope, but as they say RFK Jr is a heartbeat away from being the leading Dem candidate.

Anyone else besides Jolting Joe running?

My point. That said, Gavin has been serious about his understudy duties.

[GoCubsGo]

We can hope, but as they say RFK Jr is a heartbeat away from being the leading Dem candidate.

Anyone else besides Jolting Joe running?

My point. That said, Gavin has been serious about his understudy duties.

The void would be filled.

[Vrede too]

The void would be filled.

Knock on wood, if it comes late in the primaries or after the nomination I think the DNC would have no choice other than Kamala, for better or worse.

[GoCubsGo]

The void would be filled.

Knock on wood, if it comes late in the primaries or after the nomination I think the DNC would have no choice other than Kamala, for better or worse.

There's probably the rules about that.

[billy.pilgrim]

The void would be filled.

Knock on wood, if it comes late in the primaries or after the nomination I think the DNC would have no choice other than Kamala, for better or worse.

I'd just as soon throw my vote away on a write in for Al Franken as Kamala.

[Vrede too]

The void would be filled.

Knock on wood, if it comes late in the primaries or after the nomination I think the DNC would have no choice other than Kamala, for better or worse.

There's probably the rules about that.

I'm not sure. Regardless, dumping her when she has the nomination or is very close to it will alienate a bunch of Blacks and women that the Dems can't afford to lose.

I'd just as soon throw my vote away on a write in for Al Franken as Kamala.

It would not please me either, but here in purple NC I would hold my nose and vote for her. If enough lefties in critical states agree with you the POTUS will be GQP.

Maybe Jill should get out there more, just in case.

[O Really]

Here's some scenarios -
If Joe should become totally incapacitated, then Kamala would be Pres and ostensibly be running as the incumbent, subject to primary challenge.

If Joe could continue as Pres, but decide not to run any longer, Kamala would have no automatic route to the nomination. Gavin could step up and say, "I'll do it."

If Joe got the nomination, and then crashed out, Kamala would be Pres, but would still not automatically inherit the nomination for 2024.

If they suspect that for whatever reason, Joe isn't going to make it to the 2024 election, they could decide to challenge in primaries which might work or might be a big backfire

I hope the people directly involved in all of this know what they're doing and giving it a lot of though. But they're Dems, so I'm not feeling real confident about that.

[Vrede too]

Here's some scenarios -
If Joe should become totally incapacitated, then Kamala would be Pres and ostensibly be running as the incumbent, subject to primary challenge.

Agreed.

If Joe could continue as Pres, but decide not to run any longer, Kamala would have no automatic route to the nomination. Gavin could step up and say, "I'll do it."

Agreed, if it's early enough.

If Joe got the nomination, and then crashed out, Kamala would be Pres, but would still not automatically inherit the nomination for 2024.

Disagree. For the DNC to hand it someone else would be a huge slap in the face to Black women and their allies. If enough of them stay home the Dems lose. I think this is also true if something happens to Joe late in the primary season. It would be very offensive for a brokered convention to broker out a Black woman, even if Kamala is no Michelle . . . Saaay, Michelle might be the one person that could get away with replacing Kamala.

If they suspect that for whatever reason, Joe isn't going to make it to the 2024 election, they could decide to challenge in primaries which might work or might be a big backfire

Agreed, that would be the time and method.

I hope the people directly involved in all of this know what they're doing and giving it a lot of thought. But they're Dems, so I'm not feeling real confident about that.

To be fair, just discussing the options will piss off one group or another, maybe all groups. I agree that there should be preparation, but the Dems doing so will have to tread carefully.

[GoCubsGo]

Here's some scenarios -
If Joe should become totally incapacitated, then Kamala would be Pres and ostensibly be running as the incumbent, subject to primary challenge.

Agreed.

If Joe could continue as Pres, but decide not to run any longer, Kamala would have no automatic route to the nomination. Gavin could step up and say, "I'll do it."

Agreed, if it's early enough.

If Joe got the nomination, and then crashed out, Kamala would be Pres, but would still not automatically inherit the nomination for 2024.

Disagree. For the DNC to hand it someone else would be a huge slap in the face to Black women and their allies. If enough of them stay home the Dems lose. I think this is also true if something happens to Joe late in the primary season. It would be very offensive for a brokered convention to broker out a Black woman, even if Kamala is no Michelle . . . Saaay, Michelle might be the one person that could get away with replacing Kamala.

If they suspect that for whatever reason, Joe isn't going to make it to the 2024 election, they could decide to challenge in primaries which might work or might be a big backfire

Agreed, that would be the time and method.

I hope the people directly involved in all of this know what they're doing and giving it a lot of thought. But they're Dems, so I'm not feeling real confident about that.

To be fair, just discussing the options will piss off one group or another, maybe all groups. I agree that there should be preparation, but the Dems doing so will have to tread carefully.

Nah, here's the real plan.

Great minds.

[Vrede too]

... Saaay, Michelle might be the one person that could get away with replacing Kamala.

Nah, here's the real plan.

Great minds.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/stat ... 1121384660

One or both of us are broken clocks.

[O Really]

Michelle was very popular among everybody but birther-types. But she hasn't maintained enough of a public political presence to now run for President. Hillary had the right strategy - get elected to the Senate in a major state and get a Cabinet job, but unfortunately the Hillary-haters weren't having it.

[GoCubsGo]

Michelle was very popular among everybody but birther-types. But she hasn't maintained enough of a public political presence to now run for President. Hillary had the right strategy - get elected to the Senate in a major state and get a Cabinet job, but unfortunately the Hillary-haters weren't having it.

She wants nothing to do with it.

[Vrede too]

Michelle was very popular among everybody but birther-types. But she hasn't maintained enough of a public political presence to now run for President. Hillary had the right strategy - get elected to the Senate in a major state and get a Cabinet job, but unfortunately the Hillary-haters weren't having it.

She wants nothing to do with it.

I'm not saying that it will happen. I'm just opining that Michelle is the only person that could push Kamala aside at a brokered convention or afterwards without causing the certain loss of the general.

[O Really]

I'm not saying that it will happen. I'm just opining that Michelle is the only person that could push Kamala aside at a brokered convention or afterwards without causing the certain loss of the general.

Nobody would publicly push Kamala aside. She'd announce that for (whatever) reason, she has decided not to run.

[Vrede too]

Nobody would publicly push Kamala aside. She'd announce that for (whatever) reason, she has decided not to run.

A Black woman running for VP suddenly deciding that she doesn't want to be POTUS, absent a major, proven medical event with her or close family, seems unlikely to me. It wouldn't be just about her, it would also be about who and what she represents.

[O Really]

Nobody would publicly push Kamala aside. She'd announce that for (whatever) reason, she has decided not to run.

A barely Blackish woman running for VP suddenly deciding that she doesn't want to be POTUS, absent a major, proven medical event with her or close family, seems unlikely to me. It wouldn't be just about her, it would also be about who and what she represents.

FTFY

[Vrede too]

Nobody would publicly push Kamala aside. She'd announce that for (whatever) reason, she has decided not to run.

A barely Blackish woman running for VP suddenly deciding that she doesn't want to be POTUS, absent a major, proven medical event with her or close family, seems unlikely to me. It wouldn't be just about her, it would also be about who and what she represents.

FTFY

That's not how Black women and their allies will see it in "one drop" America, and that's what will matter at the polls.

[billy.pilgrim]

Nobody would publicly push Kamala aside. She'd announce that for (whatever) reason, she has decided not to run.

A barely Blackish woman running for VP suddenly deciding that she doesn't want to be POTUS, absent a major, proven medical event with her or close family, seems unlikely to me. It wouldn't be just about her, it would also be about who and what she represents.

FTFY

That's not how Black women and their allies will see it in "one drop" America, and that's what will matter at the polls.

Isn't that one drop bullshit from English Law?

[Vrede too]

That's not how Black women and their allies will see it in "one drop" America, and that's what will matter at the polls.

Isn't that one drop bullshit from English Law?

, but it's carried tremendous weight in Amerikkka.

[billy.pilgrim]

That's not how Black women and their allies will see it in "one drop" America, and that's what will matter at the polls.

Isn't that one drop bullshit from English Law?

, but it's carried tremendous weight in Amerikkka.

I'm not familiar with the one drop bs here. I am familiar with "any" being a qualifer.
To whichever or whatever I say, So what? People are people.