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O Really wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:39 pm
Ah yes, California taxes:
... California has the highest state sales tax rate (7.25%) in the nation, but taxes few services compared to other states....
neoplacebo wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:52 pm
CA state sales tax is NOT the highest in the country. Here in TN it's around 9% but TN has no state income tax.
You are both correct. :-|| :-||
States With Highest and Lowest Sales Tax Rates

... California has the highest statewide sales tax, at 7.25 percent, but comes in ninth when you combine state and local sales tax, according to newly released 2020 data from the Tax Foundation, an independent tax policy think tank. Tennessee leads the pack, at 9.53 percent combined taxes — 7 percent state sales tax and 2.53 percent average local sales tax. The Volunteer State has no statewide income tax....

Oregon, Montana, New Hampshire, Delaware and Alaska have no statewide sales taxes. The five states with the lowest average combined state and local rates are Alaska (1.76 percent), Hawaii (4.44 percent), Wyoming (5.34 percent), Wisconsin (5.46 percent) and Maine (5.5 percent).

How High are Sales Taxes in Your State?
Combined state and average local sales tax rates, January 1, 2020

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Opps! I am wrong; TN state sales tax is 7% but county tax pushes the total to between 8.5% to over 9%. trump would never admit being wrong like this.

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neoplacebo wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:21 pm
Opps! I am wrong; TN state sales tax is 7% but county tax pushes the total to between 8.5% to over 9%. trump would never admit being wrong like this.
Damn, I just lost my long detailed post. Short version:
Ala is not #4 @ 9.22% as the map shows
Ala is one of the lowest at 4% but cities and counties are free to go crazy.
Mobile county adds 1.5 for a reasonable total of 5.5%
The city of Mobile adds another 4.5 for an insane total of 10%
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It makes a lot of difference in overall expense if groceries are included for the sales tax, as well as other items exempted.

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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:37 pm
Damn, I just lost my long detailed post. Short version:
Ala is not #4 @ 9.22% as the map shows
Ala is one of the lowest at 4% but cities and counties are free to go crazy.
Mobile county adds 1.5 for a reasonable total of 5.5%
The city of Mobile adds another 4.5 for an insane total of 10%
... Louisiana, which has a combined state and local sales tax of 9.52 percent, has the second-highest rate, followed by Arkansas (9.47 percent), Alabama (9.22 percent) and Washington (9.21 percent)....
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It makes a lot of difference in overall expense if groceries are included for the sales tax, as well as other items exempted.
The Tax Foundation averages local taxes and weights them by the number of people who pay them....

State sales taxes tend to be quirky.... (many quirks listed)
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O Really wrote:
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It makes a lot of difference in overall expense if groceries are included for the sales tax, as well as other items exempted.
Florida doesn't tax groceries. Only Alabama, Mississippi, and South Dakota still tax groceries at the full state sales tax rate.
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O Really wrote:
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It makes a lot of difference in overall expense if groceries are included for the sales tax, as well as other items exempted.
Here in TN sales tax is a little lower on food than it is on alcohol and tobacco. If the state started to tax ignorance and gullibility, they would collect trillions even at a rate of 0.0005%

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billy.pilgrim wrote:
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O Really wrote:
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It makes a lot of difference in overall expense if groceries are included for the sales tax, as well as other items exempted.
Florida doesn't tax groceries. Only Alabama, Mississippi, and South Dakota still tax groceries at the full state sales tax rate.
I thought there were more than that. Seems either Florida or NC used to tax groceries, but maybe not.

From a 2008 article, so I guess some have dropped it...
States that tax groceries (rate if not fully taxed): Alabama, Arkansas (3%), Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois (1%), Kansas, Mississippi, Missouri (1.225%), Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee (5.5%), Utah (1.75%), Virginia (1.5% + 1% local option tax), and West Virginia (5%).

Notes: Idaho’s income tax provides a $20 credit per person that is designed to partially offset the impact of taxing groceries. Also, our source for this data, CCH, cites a Kansas law that allows for a “limited tax refund available to disabled, elderly, and low-income households.”

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I just cut and pasted. Note that my reference says, "Only Alabama, Mississippi, and South Dakota still tax groceries at the full state sales tax rate."
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
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I just cut and pasted. Note that my reference says, "Only Alabama, Mississippi, and South Dakota still tax groceries at the full state sales tax rate."
You did indeed say that.

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I wonder how our tourist taxes factor in. Escambia is already at 7.5 but is about to raise the bed sales tax from 4 to 5 = 12.5%.
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Trump administration blocks California wildfire relief

Hundreds of California Repug candidates commented: "Aww shit!"
Trump Backs Off Denying Disaster Aid To Fire-Scorched California

:---P Too late, voters in marginal districts will remember what PINO did before changing his mind, or they already voted.
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Fuel tanker blast at Afghan-Iran border causes massive fire

... Iran’s semi-official ISNA news agency quoted truck drivers as saying more than 500 trucks carrying natural gas and fuel had burned....
500 :!:
It's up to more than 60 injured, possibly many dead yet to be found in the rubble of the vehicles and customs house. :(


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TV news: The #1 cause of death for firefighters is not:

fire/explosions
crashes/struck by vehicle
falls
structural collapse
sudden cardiac death or stroke
asphyxia, including smoke inhalation
suicide

It is:
Spoiler:
COVID 19 :(
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Vrede too wrote:
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TV news: The #1 cause of death for firefighters is not:

fire/explosions
crashes/struck by vehicle
falls
structural collapse
sudden cardiac death or stroke
asphyxia, including smoke inhalation
suicide

It is:
Spoiler:
COVID 19 :(
Thanks, 45SHOLE.
This tells me that firefighters are inherently careless, or otherwise fucked up. What was the most common cause of firefighters' deaths before the pandemic? I've not noticed an epidemic of fires anywhere lately, but I can fix that.

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neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:21 pm
This tells me that firefighters are inherently careless, or otherwise fucked up.

Could be, but they're also
Spoiler:
essential workers with (often ill) public contact and part time dormitory-style living.

What was the most common cause of firefighters' deaths before the pandemic?

Heart Attacks
or Cancer
or Poor Leadership
or "Activities related to an emergency incident" followed closely by Heart Attacks

I've not noticed an epidemic of fires anywhere lately,

Idk, other than western wildfires.

but I can fix that.

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neoplacebo wrote:
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I've not noticed an epidemic of fires anywhere lately, but I can fix that.
9,639 in California in 2020, plus a bunch in Oregon and Washington. And that was the wildfires. Not counting the normal buildings, cars, fried turkeys, etc.

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O Really wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:01 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:21 pm
I've not noticed an epidemic of fires anywhere lately, but I can fix that.
9,639 in California in 2020, plus a bunch in Oregon and Washington. And that was the wildfires. Not counting the normal buildings, cars, fried turkeys, etc.
Ahem, when I wrote of fires, I had in mind fires in houses or buildings like they have in a city like where I live. That's my impression of fires and firefighters....not prison inmates fighting fires in wilderness areas or state firefighters doing the same. And I am aware that they live, while on duty, in fire houses, and are in close proximity to each other. Historically, covid, nor any other infectious disease, has not been the main, or even on the list, of causes for death of firemen or women.

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neoplacebo wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:52 pm
Ahem, when I wrote of fires, I had in mind fires in houses or buildings like they have in a city like where I live. That's my impression of fires and firefighters....not prison inmates fighting fires in wilderness areas or state firefighters doing the same. And I am aware that they live, while on duty, in fire houses, and are in close proximity to each other. Historically, covid, nor any other infectious disease, has not been the main, or even on the list, of causes for death of firemen or women.
I suspect that the death data is for all firefighters, not just those based in station houses, but idk. You are correct that the majority cause of death has shifted dramatically, tragic.
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