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neoplacebo wrote:
Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:31 pm
I would say the scale of bullshit and superstition in the Bible is off the fucking charts. That's why it's so popular. These things happen.
I don't argue that.

However, I stand by my statement: if it's in the Bible, it's a biblical story.

Simple.

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Vrede too wrote:
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Vrede too wrote:
Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:58 am
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:49 am
But wait... it IS biblical! ...
:roll: The Code of Hammurabi PREDATES the Bible by 1500 years or so. You're crediting plagiarists with originality.

Seriously, why didn't you think to look this up before spouting off, especially when foolishly challenging O Really?
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Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:14 am
Who knew the Bible writers read Hammurabi? Wonder what else they stole without proper credit.
Simple.

If it's in the Bible, it's biblical.
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I guess the season is officially open.
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US is past the tipping point on gun- and other violence. Not that anyone is going to try it, but if you mobilized the army and sent them out to collect all the guns they could find, it would only result in chaos. Any law passed now won't matter because there are already too many guns easily available so that even if no new guns ever got sold, guns would remain readily available as a black market commodity. And if by some fluke there were fewer guns, the hate-culture has grown to the point that mass killings aren't ending.
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US is past the tipping point on gun- and other violence. Not that anyone is going to try it, but if you mobilized the army and sent them out to collect all the guns they could find, it would only result in chaos. Any law passed now won't matter because there are already too many guns easily available so that even if no new guns ever got sold, guns would remain readily available as a black market commodity. And if by some fluke there were fewer guns, the hate-culture has grown to the point that mass killings aren't ending.
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There's over 300 million guns in the country. We are and have been way past that point.
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GoCubsGo wrote:
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O Really wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 12:42 pm
US is past the tipping point on gun- and other violence. Not that anyone is going to try it, but if you mobilized the army and sent them out to collect all the guns they could find, it would only result in chaos. Any law passed now won't matter because there are already too many guns easily available so that even if no new guns ever got sold, guns would remain readily available as a black market commodity. And if by some fluke there were fewer guns, the hate-culture has grown to the point that mass killings aren't ending.
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There's over 300 million guns in the country. We are and have been way past that point.
Yes, and it's time to admit it. Stop expecting anybody to "do something." Stop walking around with "Never Again" signs. Stop claiming shooters are somehow "mentally disturbed." Some of them might be, but most are not. Admit that "this is our life."

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O Really wrote:
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Yes, and it's time to admit it. Stop expecting anybody to "do something." Stop walking around with "Never Again" signs. Stop claiming shooters are somehow "mentally disturbed." Some of them might be, but most are not. Admit that "this is our life."
Not that I'm optimistic at all, but what was done in Australia actually worked.

It'll take a sea change here and complete Republican implosion to boot. We won't be around to see it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_of_Australia
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Edit: GoCubsGo barely beat me to it. Great minds . . .

Australia did it, with great success. If we could ever get the laws passed I could see buybacks and strict limits discouraging many owners and scaring others into never bringing their guns out of hiding. We have to start somewhere. Imagine the difference it would have made if we'd begun when we were young.
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Oh, right, Mate. But ya' may have noticed that the US is nothing whatsoever like Australia except for using a bastardized crude version of the the Queens(land) English. For starters, the population of the entire continent - continent - is about the same as Southern California. For another, there is no pesky "Second Amendment" that would have to be disposed of or severely altered before anything meaningful could occur. And Australians may use guns but they don't have the cultural cult-like adoration of anything gun that is prevalent in the US. And they didn't have an NRA that for years owned or rented a majority of Congress.

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The first three words of the second amendment are "a well regulated" so why is there a rabid effort to ignore that? I recognize that the follow on language refers to militia and how the right of the people to be armed shall not be infringed. But at the time that was written, there was no local police department or sheriff so folks had to defend themselves. None of this should be hard to understand. Hell, if Republicans had their way, you'd be able to buy 50 caliber machine guns and mounts adaptable to existing fifth wheel rigs. In fact, I expect it.

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Poorly constructed, grammatically awkward, and so very much trouble it's caused. Interestingly, the gun nuts think they get to keep their guns to protect against the government, but the most logical interpretation of the amendment would be, "We (the government) might need to go round up some civilians to fight against some enemy (a militia), so everybody has a right to keep a suitable firearm. They really should have had somebody grammar-check that thing before it got approved.

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Saw this post on another forum on this topic, thought it was pretty good.
You can't talk about the Constitution without talking about the culture that produced it. The Founders were terrified that one of them was going to rile up people, centralize power in the United States and away from the states, and replace the republic with a despotic monarchy. At the time of the Constitution, there was no federal armed forces; the military power of the United States was concentrated in the militias of the several states themselves.

There was a lot of concern that a member of the elite would create a federal army, then use it to destroy the state militias and install himself as King. So the Second Amendment reaffirmed the right of the people to keep and bear arms so that no tyrant could overthrow the state militias en route to crowning himself King. The Second Amendment's wording is famously bizarre, but the purpose was clear: keep the federal government mostly reliable on state militias for military power.

That failed almost immediately. State militias are good as self-defense, but they're terrible at conquest. Americans wanted to conquer North America, and they would need to kill a lot of Indians to do it. The state militias were really bad at it, so the federal government got involved. The first federal army was created in 1791: the Legion of the United States.

Today, the state militias are basically dead. The federal armed forces are massive and, so far, no one has used them to crown himself King. The reason for its existence never came to pass. The Second Amendment was never about duck hunting or crime control or individual rights. It was about the distribution of American military power.

For this reason, I don't think firearm ownership (or tank ownership or battleship ownership or howitzer ownership...) counts as a fundamental individual right under the Constitution. This was the law for most of American history.

However, even if firearm ownership is a fundamental right, fundamental rights can be regulated/infringed by the government under the "strict scrutiny" standard. That is, the government can violate a fundamental right if the violation is "narrowly tailored" to a "compelling state interest". When courts apply this standard, they almost always strike the law down, which I think is mostly right, assuming judicial review is good.

But protection of the public is the fundamental compelling state interest. It is the reason governments are formed, according to Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution. When 10,000+ people are being gunned down a year, whether through stochastic terrorist attacks like Buffalo or gang turf wars, the state has a compelling interest to protect the public, and under U.S. law, it should be able to pass gun control to do that.

Unfortunately, given the staggering number of guns already out there and the near-religious devotion to them by conservatives, I am skeptical that the U.S. could enact actually-effective gun control. We could ban things like the AR-15, but that accounts for a small number of murders. Most are committed with handguns, which as that old song says, are made for killing and ain't no good for nothing else. Trying to get rid of them would be a nightmare.


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O Really wrote:
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Poorly constructed, grammatically awkward, and so very much trouble it's caused. Interestingly, the gun nuts think they get to keep their guns to protect against the government, but the most logical interpretation of the amendment would be, "We (the government) might need to go round up some civilians to fight against some enemy (a militia), so everybody has a right to keep a suitable firearm. They really should have had somebody grammar-check that thing before it got approved.
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O Really wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 7:06 pm
Poorly constructed, grammatically awkward, and so very much trouble it's caused. Interestingly, the gun nuts think they get to keep their guns to protect against the government, but the most logical interpretation of the amendment would be, "We (the government) might need to go round up some civilians to fight against some enemy (a militia), so everybody has a right to keep a suitable firearm. They really should have had somebody grammar-check that thing before it got approved.
Sometimes I wonder if the 2nd Amendment was written at the point of a gun.

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billy.pilgrim wrote:
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Keep mrs.pilgrim away from the news!

Here we go again. :cry:

Multiple fatalities, including several children, after 'active shooter' incident at Texas elementary school: Sources
The suspect in the shooting is also dead, according to sources.


Update: 14 children and 1 teacher are dead.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Fyi, Uvalde, TX is 78.46% Hispanic or Latino, and it might be safe to guess that the elementary school proportion is greater. I'll go out on a limb and guess that the 18 year old shooter is Anglo.
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What a sick country we live in.
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