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O Really wrote:
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No idea if it's accurate, but this newspaper's banner is impressive:
War in Ukraine. Total approximate losses of the enemy for day 68
"1048+22
Tanks"

Bunch of interesting articles, too.

Russian troops stole $5M worth of farm vehicles from a John Deere dealership, which remotely locked the thieves out of the equipment

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Well, actually, there is a train of thought that one of Hitler's ancestors was in fact Jewish, but it's never been substantiated, AFAIK.

I'd have to go through my books on the subject to offer more details.

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OK, didn't find it in the first two books in my collection, but Google did result in some debatable finds. Please note that I think it's all bullshit. Hitler was perhaps the most evil person in history. If he had a Jewish grandparent, so the fuck what? He was still a monster.

Study Suggests Adolf Hitler Had Jewish and African Ancestors
In the decades since Adolf Hitler’s death, the Nazi leader’s ancestry has been a subject of rampant speculation and intense controversy. Some have suggested that his father, Alois, born to an unwed woman named Maria Schickelgruber, was the illegitimate child of Leopold Frankenberger, a young Jewish man whose family employed her as a maid. (She subsequently married Johann Georg Hiedler–later spelled “Hitler”–whose surname her son adopted.) Others have claimed that Alois’ biological father was also the grandfather of Hitler’s mother, Klara Pözl, making Adolf the product of an incestuous marriage.

To unravel the mystery of the Fuhrer’s roots, the Belgian journalist Jean-Paul Mulders teamed up with Marc Vermeeren, a historian who has written extensively about Hitler and his ancestors. The duo collected saliva samples from 39 of the infamous dictator’s living relatives, including a great-nephew, Alexander Stuart-Houston, who lives in New York, and an Austrian cousin identified only as “Norbert H.” Tests were then conducted to reveal the samples’ principal haplogroups, which are sets of chromosomes that geneticists use to define specific populations.

Writing in the Flemish-language magazine Knack, Mulders reported that the relatives’ most dominant haplogroup, known as E1b1b, is rare in Western Europeans but common among North Africans, and particularly the Berber tribes of Morocco, Algeria, Libya and Tunisia. It is also one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population, present in 18 to 20 percent of Ashkenazi Jews and 8.6 to 30 percent of Sephardic Jews. In other words, Hitler’s family tree may have included Jewish and African ancestors.

The tragic irony of the discovery, of course, is that Hitler’s Nazi regime systematically wiped out an estimated two-thirds of Europe’s Jewish population between 1933 and 1945. People of African descent were also considered enemies of the Aryans, whose supposed racial purity and superiority were central to the “Mein Kampf” author’s lethal rhetoric. As Mulders put it in the Knack article, “One can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised.”

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The Jewish Heritage of Adolf Hitler

Hans Frank revealed Adolf Hitler’s Jewish heritage
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In a memoir, “Im Angesicht des Galgens,” Hans Frank wrote about Hitler’s Jewish heritage. Hans Frank was a Nazi politician and the governor general of occupied Poland.

Before 1933, Hans was the personal lawyer of Adolf Hitler and a member of his Nazi party. He was prosecuted for crimes against humanity in Nuremberg in 1946. Hans' memoir was published in 1953, seven years after his execution.

Hans wrote that in 1930, Adolf Hitler’s nephew, William Hitler, sent him a letter. In the letter, William threatened to reveal information about Hitler’s Jewish grandfather to the public. Adolf became outraged and ordered Hans to look into his Jewish heritage. He discovered that Hitler’s paternal grandfather was Jewish.

Adolf’s grandmother, Maria Schicklgruber, worked as a maid for a Jewish family in Gratz, Austria. Maria became intimate with Leopold Frankenberger while working for him and was impregnated by him. She gave birth to his child out of wedlock.

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1889-1936: Hubris
By IAN KERSHAW

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The third possibility is that Adolf Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Rumours to that effect circulated in Munich cafes in the early 1920s, and were fostered by sensationalist journalism of the foreign press during the 1930s. It was suggested that the name `Huttler' was Jewish, `revealed' that he could be traced to a Jewish family called Hitler in Bucharest, and even claimed that his father had been sired by Baron Rothschild, in whose house in Vienna his grandmother had allegedly spent some time as a servant. But the most serious speculation about Hitler's supposed Jewish background has occurred since the Second World War, and is directly traceable to the memoirs of the leading Nazi lawyer and Governor General of Poland, Hans Frank, dictated in his Nuremberg cell while awaiting the hangman.

Frank claimed that he had been called in by Hitler towards the end of 1930 and shown a letter from his nephew William Patrick Hitler (the son of his half-brother Alois, who had been briefly married to an Irish woman) threatening, in connection with the press stories circulating about Hitler's background, to expose the fact that Hitler had Jewish blood flowing in his veins. Allegedly commissioned by Hitler to look into his family history, Frank reportedly discovered that Maria Anna Schicklgruber had given birth to her child while serving as a cook in the home of a Jewish family called Frankenberger in Graz. Not only that: Frankenberger senior had reputedly paid regular instalments to support the child on behalf of his son, around nineteen years old at the birth, until the child's fourteenth birthday. Letters were allegedly exchanged for years between Maria Anna Schicklgruber and the Frankenbergers. According to Frank, Hitler declared that he knew, from what his father and grandmother had said, that his grandfather was not the Jew from Graz, but because his grandmother and her subsequent husband were so poor they had conned the Jew into believing he was the father and into paying for the boy's support.

Frank's story gained wide circulation in the 1950s. But it simply does not stand up. There was no Jewish family called Frankenberger in Graz during the 1830s. In fact, there were no Jews at all in the whole of Styria at the time, since Jews were not permitted in that part of Austria until the 1860s. A family named Frankenreiter did live there, but was not Jewish. There is no evidence that Maria Anna was ever in Graz, let alone was employed by the butcher Leopold Frankenreiter. No correspondence between Maria Anna and a family called Frankenberg or Frankenreiter has ever turned up. The son of Leopold Frankenreiter and alleged father of the baby (according to Frank's story and accepting that he had merely confused names) for whom Frankenreiter was seemingly prepared to pay child support for thirteen years was ten years old at the time of Alois's birth. The Frankenreiter family had moreover hit upon such hard times that payment of any support to Maria Anna Schicklgruber would have been inconceivable. Equally lacking in credibility is Frank's comment that Hitler had learnt from his grandmother that there was no truth in the Graz story: his grandmother had been dead for over forty years at the time of Hitler's birth. And whether in fact Hitler received a blackmail letter from his nephew in 1930 is also doubtful. If such was the case, then Patrick -- who repeatedly made a nuisance of himself by scrounging from his famous uncle -- was lucky to survive the next few years which he spent for the most part in Germany, and to be able to leave the country for good in December 1938. His `revelations', when they came in a Paris journal in August 1939, contained nothing about the Graz story. Nor did a number of different Gestapo inquiries into Hitler's family background in the 1930s and 1940s contain any reference to the alleged Graz background. Indeed they discovered no new skeletons in the cupboard. Hans Frank's memoirs, dictated at a time when he was waiting for the hangman and plainly undergoing a psychological crisis, are full of inaccuracies and have to be used with caution. With regard to the story of Hitler's alleged Jewish grandfather, they are valueless. Hitler's grandfather, whoever he was, was not a Jew from Graz.

The only serious contenders for the paternity of Hitler's father remain, therefore, Johann Georg Hiedler and Johann Nepomuk Hiedler (or Huttler). The official version always declared Johann Georg to be Adolf's grandfather. The evidence is insufficient to know. And perhaps Adolf did not know, though there is no firm reason to believe that he doubted that it was Johann Georg Hiedler. In any case, as regards Adolf the only significance is that, were Nepomuk his grandfather, the family descent would have been even more incestuous than if his grandfather had been Johann Georg: for Nepomuk was also the grandfather of Adolf's mother.

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And, finally, the last book I checked is a somewhat unique tome I've had for decades. Titled, "The Psychopathic God Adolf Hitler", it's by Robert G.L. Waite. In it I found the following remarks:
"A Jewish Grandfather?

"One day toward the end of 1930, Adolf Hitler called in his private lawyer, Hans Frank, for urgent personal consultation. Hitler had sent for him because he was about to be blackmailed by a relative who claimed to have special information the the Fuhrer had a Jewish grandfather...

"The evidence Has Frank produced must have been quite impressive; it was good enough to force Hitler to admit the possibility that a Jew had been very much involved with his own grandmother. But the evidence has never surfaced...

"The more important question is a different one; did Hitler think he might have Jewish blood? The answer to this question is yes, he did... "

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Second Russian Warship Struck by Ukraine: Reports

Another Russian naval ship in the Black Sea was hit and left burning by the Ukrainian military, according to unconfirmed reports.

The Admiral Makarov, a 409-foot Russian frigate, was sailing close to Snake Island in the Black Sea, off the coast of the Ukrainian port city of Odessa, when it was reportedly hit by an R-360 Neptune anti-ship missile fired from the Ukrainian mainland....

Several Twitter accounts that monitor open-source flight data gathered from satellites and transponders reported that known Russian rescue vessels and aircraft had rushed to the area, shortly after reports emerged that the Makarov had been struck with a missile.

... Photos of a ship burning, claimed to be the Makarov by users, were circulating on social media, though these have been unconfirmed.



The strike on the Makarov comes just three weeks after the Ukrainian military sunk the Moskova, the Russian navy’s flagship in the maritime blockade of Ukraine. That ship was also hit by a Neptune missile, an indigenously developed system.

Henry Hendrix, a retired U.S. Navy Captain and maritime strategist told National Review that the strike was a “significant blow” to Russia.

The Makarov, an Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate, is one of Russia’s newest naval ships, having been commissioned in 2017, and is described as one of the most powerful ships in the Black Sea....
That's a big ship. The Makarov (about 200 crew) is somewhat smaller than the Moskova was, but the Makarov is 30 years more modern.

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Really makes you wonder how vulnerable a navy is and is it worth the cost?
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 6:37 pm
Really makes you wonder how vulnerable a navy is and is it worth the cost?
Or any armor.

Russia's most advanced tank in service was obliterated by Ukraine just days after it was deployed, according to reports



Of course, both Russia and the US are good at stomping lesser nations. Ukraine is the most developed country either has fought for many decades and it's had 8 years of constant war fighting. So, bullies can still wield navies and armor.
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Of course, both Russia and the US are good at stomping lesser nations. Ukraine is the most developed country either has fought for many decades and it's had 8 years of constant war fighting. So, bullies can still wield navies and armor.
Russian tanks are notoriously unsafe and they've been that way since ww2.
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Vrede too wrote:
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Of course, both Russia and the US are good at stomping lesser nations. Ukraine is the most developed country either has fought for many decades and it's had 8 years of constant war fighting. So, bullies can still wield navies and armor.
Russian tanks are notoriously unsafe and they've been that way since ww2.
I would not assume that US and other NATO armor is safe from Javelins, drones and other anti-tank munitions. If you can sink a modern warship . . .
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Vrede too wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 6:30 pm
Second Russian Warship Struck by Ukraine: Reports

Another Russian naval ship in the Black Sea was hit and left burning by the Ukrainian military, according to unconfirmed reports.

The Admiral Makarov, a 409-foot Russian frigate, was sailing close to Snake Island in the Black Sea, off the coast of the Ukrainian port city of Odessa, when it was reportedly hit by an R-360 Neptune anti-ship missile fired from the Ukrainian mainland....

Several Twitter accounts that monitor open-source flight data gathered from satellites and transponders reported that known Russian rescue vessels and aircraft had rushed to the area, shortly after reports emerged that the Makarov had been struck with a missile.

... Photos of a ship burning, claimed to be the Makarov by users, were circulating on social media, though these have been unconfirmed.



The strike on the Makarov comes just three weeks after the Ukrainian military sunk the Moskova, the Russian navy’s flagship in the maritime blockade of Ukraine. That ship was also hit by a Neptune missile, an indigenously developed system.

Henry Hendrix, a retired U.S. Navy Captain and maritime strategist told National Review that the strike was a “significant blow” to Russia.

The Makarov, an Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate, is one of Russia’s newest naval ships, having been commissioned in 2017, and is described as one of the most powerful ships in the Black Sea....
That's a big ship. The Makarov (about 200 crew) is somewhat smaller than the Moskova was, but the Makarov is 30 years more modern.

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GoCubsGo wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 6:37 pm
Really makes you wonder how vulnerable a navy is and is it worth the cost?
A different craft:
Ukrainian troops share video of Russian boat near Zmiinyi Island being destroyed

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Ukrainian troops have destroyed a Russian Serna landing boat near Zmiinyi [Snake] Island in the Black Sea.

Source: Pivden [South] Operational Command on Facebook; Serhii Bratchuk, spokesman for Odesa Regional Military Administration, on Telegram; Natalia Humeniuk, Head of Joint Press Centre of the South Ukraine Defence forces, in a commentary for Ukrainska Pravda ...



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It's not small:

Project 11770 Serna fast landing craft
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Shit, if I was Admiral of the Fleet for the Russians I'd be stomping the deck shouting "dad burnit, dad blast it, goddamn it, when I say whoa I mean whoa" and calling for more mushrooms.

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Vrede too wrote:
Sat May 07, 2022 4:50 pm
GoCubsGo wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 6:37 pm
Really makes you wonder how vulnerable a navy is and is it worth the cost?
A different craft:
Ukrainian troops share video of Russian boat near Zmiinyi Island being destroyed

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(perhaps a sister boat)

Ukrainian troops have destroyed a Russian Serna landing boat near Zmiinyi [Snake] Island in the Black Sea.

Source: Pivden [South] Operational Command on Facebook; Serhii Bratchuk, spokesman for Odesa Regional Military Administration, on Telegram; Natalia Humeniuk, Head of Joint Press Centre of the South Ukraine Defence forces, in a commentary for Ukrainska Pravda ...



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By my count that's now at least 6 Russian warships - An Alligator-class landing ship, the Makarov, the Moskova, 2 patrol boats hit by drones a few days ago, and now this Serna landing boat.

How large is the Russian Black Sea fleet, anyhow? Ah, here it is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet
Size
25,000 (including marines)
c. 39-41 surface warships (surface combatants, amphibious, mine warfare) plus support and auxiliaries
7 submarines (of which 2 in the Mediterranean as of March 2022)
6 ships is a dent.
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I stumbled on this thread from back when Russia seized Crimea. I'm not trying to resurrect it, just thought it is interesting. 2014 sucked for Ukraine, but it did give it 8 years to prepare for 2022.
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I miss rstrong.
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