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Vrede wrote:
O Really wrote:Interesting article about Hitler and guns...
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_ta ... ut_hitler/
Darn, I searched "Hitler", "Nazi", "Germany" and "German" and can't find the gullible fool that repeated the lie here recently.

Oh well, I'm sure he'll man-up after he reads your article. :lol:
I'm so sure.
Brings up an interesting question, though - given the weapons available in Europe in 1930ish, what sort of arsenal would a private citizen Jew (or a group of them) need to have to sucessfully defend against the SS?

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Here's an excellent article on the constitutionality of gun legislation and EO's - from an unexpected source of reasonable commentary - Juan Williams at Faux.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/ ... n-control/

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Are you sure that's really an Anonymous vid? I count several factual errors in the text and first 2 minutes.

What everybody needs to know about our Constitution and gun control

The Hitler gun control lie

The Surprising Unknown History of the NRA: For most of its history, the NRA supported gun control laws and did not see government as the enemy.

Anonymous is usually not that sloppy and supporting gun nuts seems out of character for it. If I am correct that you were duped, TheGunslingerChannel is messing with the wrong folks.
Maybe it is a copycat Anonymous. Maybe we should ask \V/.

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Obama's Executive Orders:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

Doesn't look like much to me.

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The 2nd. Amendment gives us the right to bear arms (own guns) for self preservation.

It does not guarantee us the right to own weapons capable of mass destruction, nor does it guarantee us the right to own an arsenal.

Anyone of you even stared at the business end of an automatic weapon? I have. It ain't no picnic.
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Vrede wrote:
Wneglia wrote:Maybe it is a copycat Anonymous...
It wasn't even posted to an Anonymous channel. What's your guess now that you've thought about it, and what's your feeling about folks that would lie that way?
Clever but dishonest.

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Vrede wrote:
Wneglia wrote:
Vrede wrote:
Wneglia wrote:Maybe it is a copycat Anonymous...
It wasn't even posted to an Anonymous channel. What's your guess now that you've thought about it, and what's your feeling about folks that would lie that way?
Clever but dishonest.
Define "Clever". My doubts were instant. :P
Clever in a deceptive sort of way. Misdirection.

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I think Obama's list of orders represents (1) a list of things that would be easily publicly supported and will also support the idea that he's doing something; (2) a good faith effort to take some reasonable steps in matters not requiring Congress. Of the list, however, I think only 14 is significant. Of course, 12 might keep some other old crazy ladies with lighters and drunk guys on their stoops holding beer cans from getting shot.

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Vrede wrote:Not that I know enough to disagree, but why don't you think all the background check items are significant?
I guess collectively they are. I just have doubts as to the accuracy or relevance with which data will be input. Also the criteria that would get someone excluded.

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So I'm reading Republican responses to Obama's proposals and orders, and I see that Rubio says, "Rolling back responsible citizens' rights is not the proper response to tragedies committed by criminals and the mentally ill."

I think they have a point. Laws against drinking while driving and open containers don't stop drunk driving. They just make it harder on responsible citizens who have a couple of drinks and drive home.

The gun ummm, "enthusiasts" are correct that banning stuff hardly ever works, but increases the black market and the crime related to that black market. If they were using the so-called "war on drugs" as an example of how not to do it, I might even be on their side. But since a lot of the ones claiming the "only outlaws would have guns" are the same ones supporting the "drug war" as well as banning Mexicans, their argument why they are so frightened of their life they need a Newtown type firearm is a bit lame.

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Varies by area of the country, but overall average an armed security guard will earn between $12-15/hour, say average $27,000 a year. Buncombe County has 41 schools, plus another 9 in Asheville. That's 50 schools at $27K a year (not counting benefits or OT) or $1,350,000 - just in one fairly small county. But there are 100 counties in NC. If they all average 35 schools (probably a low estimate) we've got $945 million - almost a billion dollars - per year! In just one state. If you used real cops ("resource officers"), it would probably be at least another 30-40% more.

Now I'm not going to argue about whether it's worth the money to provide protection for the kids, but I would wonder if the money could be spent more effectively on things other than Barney sitting in the hallway being a first-in-line target for the loonies.

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It's ironic that the NRA board -- dominated by the GOP/Tea Party's conservative "small government" wing (e.g., Grover Norquist) which normally insists the Federal government can't do anything right -- is demanding a new "big government" Federal program...
Kinda like TSA people with guns, eh?

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Vrede wrote:It's often the government-fearing con Rx for complex problems - more armed police or military. Weird.
Kinda like giving firemen flamethrowers to put out fires.
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The NRA was not always the radical, extremist, John-Birch-Society-far-right fringe group it is today.
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Funny, I can't find a single line in The Constitution that says "the right to an abortion shall not be infringed" Even funnier, is that fact that those who are crowing the loudest about limiting guns to "save the children" are also the ones who will crow the loudest about not limiting abortions. On the day that 20 children were so tragically murdered in Newtown, CT there were also over 1,000 killed by doctors nationwide. Where is the outrage to "save" those children????? :wtf:

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