Syria/Iraq

[bannination]

[O Really]

Here's one for you, billy.p "This is Why They Hate Us"

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/18/this_is ... _tell_you/

[Vrede too]

Interesting analysis:

Why Congress won’t vote on the war against the Islamic State

... Clinton said that she sided with Obama in believing that the president has all of the legal authority he needs in the AUMF passed in response to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks — but also that she “would like to see” the AUMF updated....

Looks like we achieved Orwell's perpetual war 14 years ago.

[O Really]

Looks like we achieved Orwell's perpetual war 14 years ago.

Yeppers. Including ...

"Since about that time, war had been literally continuous, though strictly speaking it had not always been the same war. For several months during his childhood there had been confused street fighting in London itself, some of which he remembered vividly. But to trace out the history of the whole period, to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge, which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible. (1.3.16)"

[Vrede too]

We created Islamic extremism: Those blaming Islam for ISIS would have supported Osama bin Laden in the ’80s
Jingoists conveniently forget the West's Cold War strategy was to arm the Islamic extremists that became al-Qaida

Our terrorism double standard: After Paris, let’s stop blaming Muslims and take a hard look at ourselves
We must mourn all victims. But until we look honestly at the violence we export, nothing will ever change

Speaking of terrorism:

We must pay attention to Yemen: Weddings bombed, civilians killed — with U.S. help

[billy.pilgrim]

Imagine if they didn't have oil, we weren't so gluttonous and that didn't lead us to flood the region with weaponry and to occasionally invade.

Imagine if we had listened to president Carter

[Vrede too]

CNN Suspends Correspondent After Tweet On House Vote Affecting Syrian Refugees

Elise Labott
@eliselabottcnn

House passes bill that could limit Syrian refugees. Statue of Liberty bows head in anguish @CNNPolitics http://cnn.it/1O5IS6b
2:32 PM - 19 Nov 2015

Dozens of NC Sheriffs Say They Do Not Want Syrian Refugees In Their Counties

[O Really]

And yet, of the 68 people indicted for being ISIS members or sympathizers in the US, 44 were born here and 15 or so others were citizens. None of them were from Syria.

[O Really]

So Trump wants to register into a database American Muslims and give them an ID card... http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... &ocid=iehp

I wonder if any of the Christians supporting this craziness ever think of:
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
...
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

[Vrede too]

ID cards are too subtle.

[rstrong]

And yet, of the 68 people indicted for being ISIS members or sympathizers in the US, 44 were born here and 15 or so others were citizens. None of them were from Syria.

Even then you have to wonder how many of them truly had anything to do with ISIS.

Here in Canada we had two fatal "terrorist attacks" by "ISIS sympathizers" last year. But in both cases the terrorist was best described as "some local loser with no ISIS connections who latched on to the ISIS cause because it was in the press, converted to Islam, and launched his own attack."

Likewise when "New World Order" and "North American Union" conspiracy claims were in fashion, we had a couple similar losers latch on to the cause, launch similar attacks and martyr themselves the same way. ISIS, anti-NWO, it's just a matter of what blog they read first.

[Vrede too]

... it's just a matter of what blog they read first.

I am inspired, thanks.

[rstrong]

I definitely get the fleeing, I'm just not sure that fleeing so far to North America is best in the long run.

... Any "eventual rebuilding" is a couple generations off, not that anyone will fund it....

That's depressing.

Huh. It turns out there *might* be some hope - and money - after all.

CBC: There is a plan to end the war in Syria — and it might even work

Such is the desire to solve the Syria problem that diplomats are already speculating on the massive Marshall plan-type program to come, to be financed largely by Western powers and Gulf States.

But with Russia and Iran involved in the deal, US Republicans will likely oppose it.

[Vrede too]

With Kerry and Obama involved in the deal, US Republicans will likely oppose it.
With peace involved in the deal, US merchants of death will likely oppose it.

[Wneglia]

And yet, of the 68 people indicted for being ISIS members or sympathizers in the US, 44 were born here and 15 or so others were citizens. None of them were from Syria.

Even then you have to wonder how many of them truly had anything to do with ISIS.

Here in Canada we had two fatal "terrorist attacks" by "ISIS sympathizers" last year. But in both cases the terrorist was best described as "some local loser with no ISIS connections who latched on to the ISIS cause because it was in the press, converted to Islam, and launched his own attack."

Likewise when "New World Order" and "North American Union" conspiracy claims were in fashion, we had a couple similar losers latch on to the cause, launch similar attacks and martyr themselves the same way. ISIS, anti-NWO, it's just a matter of what blog they read first.

Canada's No Single Syrian Men Resettlement Plan

[Vrede too]

... it's just a matter of what blog they read first.

I am inspired, thanks.

Shooting in New Orleans' Bunny Friend Playground

It was not me, can't say about rstrong.

[Vrede too]

Canada's No Single Syrian Men Resettlement Plan

Are Canadian men afraid of the competition or are they just fed up with Canadian women?

[Wneglia]

... it's just a matter of what blog they read first.

I am inspired, thanks.

Shooting in New Orleans' Bunny Friend Playground

It was not me, can't say about rstrong.

Black Bunnies Matter

[Vrede too]

I'll say!

[rstrong]

Canada's No Single Syrian Men Resettlement Plan

Keep in mind that that's not official, and even in your story the health minister is calling the leaked information was “outdated.” Another claim is that it's true, but only for the first month. As in "women and children and families first."

We'll probably know tomorrow.