Obama_Clinton_Murder_Cover-Up_Why

[Tertius]

What does burning a Quran/Koran have to do with cowardice? This whole line of thought is simply ridiculous. the man has his right to do whatever he wants with their bible just as you iberals do with Christian symbols.

Let's look at reality, what good has Islam actually ever done in its life as a religion? How does subjegation of women and murdering of non practicing muslims qualify in liberals minds as something to crow about?

Islam is a terrible cult which should be eradicated from the face of the earth.

It's funny that the hokiewoodchucks and lessthantolerants of the world are always yapping and trying to get other people to burn the Qurans etc...knowing full well that they themselves have no intention at all of doing the deed themselves, because of their cowardice and the fear of possible repercussions. It's probably why "Neil" hasn't answered the post yet, because, just putting his name and burning the Quran in the same post has him hiding under his bed as we speak.

Funny how you phrased your question ("Let's look at reality, what good has Islam actually ever done in its life "as a religion"?) "As a religion", about the same as other religions, as a people group, the list would be too long to mention.

Unlike LT, Hokiewoodchuck can't afford one to buy. But, your point is still valid.

[blackfoot]

Unlike LT, Hokiewoodchuck can't afford one to buy. But, your point is still valid.

If Hokiewoodchuck had a million dollars, he wouldn't go near a Quran burning.

[Stinger]

There was never a cut to funding us military, DSS, or CIA protection. The funding cuts were to proposed increases to outside contractors of the native countries. You keep repeating the same lie.

There are thousands of troops on, or in the vicinity of the east coast of Africa. The President is free to assign any military units to any State Department location he pleases. Customarily that has been Marines specifically trained for that mission. It is the Obama administration that chose to pull military protection and replace that protection with Chevrolet Volts.

You lie. There was no military protection. There was no request for Marines. There were no Marines. There never had been any Marines. If the request for security for the embassy in Tripoli had been granted, there still would have been no Marines. Marines were never a part of the picture.

None of this is a cabinet-level or an administration-level decision.

The request was to keep about a dozen diplomatic security workers at the embassy in Tripoli. Even if they had stayed in Tripoli, they wouldn't have done the Benghazi outpost any good. By the state department's own admission, if the Tripoli security had gone to Benghazi, they still wouldn't have been able to stop that attack.

Why don't you guys take your tin foil hats off and ease you way back into reality.

how can you be both this ignorant and this lazy. Read for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Security_Guard

How can you be both this ignorant and lazy? And so consistently?

The fact that there is such a thing as a Marine Security Guard -- as evidenced by the Wiki article -- does not mean that there was a request for Marines in Libya. That's just fool-logic. You actually have to go read the facts and the congressional testimony.

The request was to keep about a sixteen-member team of diplomatic security forces in the U.S. embassy IN TRIPOLI. These were not Marines. No one requested Marines. The Marines were never in play. LINK

The requests were to extend the tours of a Mobile Security Detachments [MSD] and the Site Security Team [SST] at the U.S. embassy in Tripoli, which are teams of military personnel, not Marines, who can help protect an embassy and its personnel.

LINK

Just because Paul Ryan said it, that doesn't make it true.

Making assumptions that just because there are Marine Security Guards -- whose major purpose is securing classified information, not defending the ambassador -- that they are automatically involved in ALL embassy security is foolish.

Don't just glean the Wiki. Read the facts. Try to keep up.

Guess who the ignorant and lazy one is.

[Tertius]

You lie. There was no military protection. There was no request for Marines. There were no Marines. There never had been any Marines.

The Marines have been a long standing part of diplomatic security. Someone in the Obama administration decided to reduce that security to $4.00 an hour Muslims. You said there "never" has been Marines.

Since 1948 the SOP was to have Marines. The size depended on the wishes of the State Department.

Some fool in the Obama administration decided no Marines. Some fool in the Obama administration decided to say no to the availability of a DC-3 to move security quickly around Libya.

Some fool in the Obama administration decided to hang Ambassador Stevens out to dry and they used the fact that he was gay to do it. Now you and Hokiewoodchuck may think that is OK just because the man was gay. I do not. You may think just because Obama is a Democrat, a black man, a closet Muslim, etc. what was done to our diplomats is OK. I do not.

No matter what you say until this President security at all our diplomatic instillation was a high priority. Such a high priority that the State Department was one of if not the only civilian chain of command links to be civilian below the President and Sec. Of Defense.

[Stinger]

You lie. There was no military protection. There was no request for Marines. There were no Marines. There never had been any Marines.

The Marines have been a long standing part of diplomatic security.

And? We were talking about Tripoli, Libya, not Paris, France, or Havana, Cuba. There never were any Marines in the picture at Tripoli.

Someone in the Obama administration decided to reduce that security to $4.00 an hour Muslims.

Wrong again. Someone in the State Department decided to follow State Department protocol and remove a sixteen-man security contingent from the embassy at Tripoli. Done by mid-level staffers. Testified to and common knowledge to those who have been paying attention.

You said there "never" has been Marines.

In reference to the embassy at Tripoli and the consulate in Benghazi, which is the only two places under discussion. There was never a Marine force in the picture there.

News flash! We weren't discussing security at every embassy in the world.

Since 1948 the SOP was to have Marines. The size depended on the wishes of the State Department.

But not at every embassy in the world. They are only stationed at 150 sites around the world.

Some fool in the Obama administration decided no Marines.

Or some fool is just making a FWAG on an anonymous forum without the slightest bit of proof. Congressional testimony, common sense, and all other evidence points to the contrary.

But do continue with your delusions.

Some fool in the Obama administration decided to say no to the availability of a DC-3 to move security quickly around Libya.

Or some fool on a forum is making meaningless statements to try to cover up the fact that he doesn't know what he's talking about. A DC-3?

Some fool in the Obama administration decided to hang Ambassador Stevens out to dry and they used the fact that he was gay to do it.



Another stupid statement with no factual basis. Keep 'em coming.

Now you and Hokiewoodchuck may think that is OK just because the man was gay. I do not. You may think just because Obama is a Democrat, a black man, a closet Muslim, etc. what was done to our diplomats is OK. I do not.

No, I just think you've lost your tether to reality and gone completely off the deep end. I do hope it's drug induced -- in that case there's a slight chance you may make it back to the realm of the rational and intelligent.

How do you guys dream this stuff up without the slightest shred of evidence?

I bet you were a Birfer First Class. Still are, I bet.

No matter what you say until this President security at all our diplomatic instillation was a high priority.

Such a high priority that the State Department was one of if not the only civilian chain of command links to be civilian below the President and Sec. Of Defense.

So that's why the Republicans proudly voted to cut embassy security funding. Yes, they voted in 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012 to cut embassy security funding, including funds for diplomatic security officers. The 2013 House appropriation is cuts another few hundred million off the Obama administration's requests, just as they did the past several years.

The Ryan budget lops another 20% off of embassy security.

Clinton warned last year that the cuts were "detrimental to embassy security," but the Pubs blew her off. LINK

So, you're a hypocrite, too.

[Bungalow Bill]

"Some fool in the Obama administration decided to hang Ambassador Stevens out to dry and they
used the fact that he was gay to do it. Now you and Hokiewoodchuck may think that is OK just
because the man was gay. I do not. You may think just because Obama is a Democrat, a black
man, a closet Muslim, etc. what was done to our diplomats is OK. I do not."

Where do you people come up with this conspiracy nonsense? You keep spewing forth this idiocy
without any evidence as if everybody was going to swallow it whole without any further proof.
Wingnuts=Hilarious.

[Stinger]

Where do you people come up with this conspiracy nonsense? You keep spewing forth this idiocy
without any evidence as if everybody was going to swallow it whole without any further proof.
Wingnuts=Hilarious.

Because they're stupid and gullible enough to swallow this crap without a nanosecond's critical judgment. They've built a whole cottage industry, starting with Rush Limbaugh, predicated on the gullibility of those willing to believe anything without the slightest interference of common sense or the slightest shred of proof.

They spew it because it makes them appear "intelligent" and "clever" among their single-digit-IQ brethren.

[blackfoot]

Hawking's statement "illusion of knowledge" would be a good tagline for you Stinger.

[perspctv]

Hawking's statement "illusion of knowledge" would be a good tagline for you Stinger.

So you are rubber and he is glue? Wicked, rapier wit.

Just say'n ... if you're gonna go for the put down at least toss in a modicum of effort.

[blackfoot]

Just say'n ... if you're gonna go for the put down at least toss in a modicum of effort.

Doesn't take much effort.

[perspctv]

Just say'n ... if you're gonna go for the put down at least toss in a modicum of effort.

Doesn't take much effort.

As is evident with the, "Uh uh, you are!" snappy comebacks.

Not quite interesting enough to be boring. Just forum fluff and filler.

[Tertius]

Securing Our Embassies Overseas

The Secretary of State, and by extension, the Chief of Mission (COM), are responsible for developing and implementing security policies and programs that provide for the protection of all U.S. Government personnel (including accompanying dependents) on official duty abroad. This mission is executed through the Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS). Personal and facility protection are the most critical elements of the DS mission abroad as they directly impact upon the Department’s ability to carry out its foreign policy. With terrorist organizations and coalitions operating across international borders, the threat of terrorism against U.S. interests remains great. Therefore, any U.S. mission overseas can be a target even if identified as being in a low-threat environment.

As a result, DS is more dedicated than ever to its mission of providing a secure living and working environment for our Foreign Service colleagues as they implement foreign policy and promote U.S. interests around the world. Nearly 800 DS special agents serve in regional security offices at over 250 posts worldwide. The DS special agents, also called regional security officers (RSOs) when serving abroad, manage security programs and also provide the first line of defense for our personnel, their families, U.S. diplomatic missions, and national security information. RSOs serve as the primary advisor to the COM on all security matters by developing and implementing security programs that shield U.S. missions and residences overseas from physical and technical attack.

RSOs, in concert with other U.S. Government agencies represented at post, formulate plans to deal with various emergency contingencies, including defining emergency management responsibilities for incidents ranging from hostage taking to evacuations. Often, in times of crisis and political instability, RSOs rely on the U.S. military for assistance. Unified commands have the capability to supply post with combat-equipped troops, e.g., Fleet Anti-Terrorism Security Teams (FAST), to augment post security requirements.

RSOs are the primary liaison with foreign police and security services overseas in support of U.S. law enforcement initiatives and investigations. Much of the investigative and law enforcement liaison work accomplished by RSOs abroad is on behalf of other federal, state, and local agencies. DS has achieved noteworthy success in locating and apprehending hundreds of wanted fugitives who have fled the United States.

RSOs also provide unclassified security briefings and other professional security advice to U.S. businesses, academia, faith-based groups, and non-governmental organizations as part of the Overseas Security Advisory Council (OSAC) Country Program, which has as its primary goal an effective security communication network.

RSOs face a tremendous challenge in implementing a mission’s security program, and it cannot be handled alone. In the challenge to safeguard our personnel and sensitive information overseas, DS security engineering officers (SEOs) augment the efforts of the security office. SEOs are the primary developers and implementers of technical security policy and regulations. They design or develop, implement, and manage security equipment programs at our missions abroad. In a constantly evolving technical environment, SEOs are responsible for detecting and preventing loss of sensitive information from technical espionage.

In addition to SEOs, RSOs depend upon Marine Security Guards, U.S. Navy Seabees, surveillance detection teams, local guards, cleared American guards, local investigators, host government officials, and other DS elements domestically and abroad to provide assistance in combating criminal, intelligence, and terrorist threats against U.S. interests worldwide. These entities play a crucial role in the DS security efforts overseas.

At our highest threat posts, RSOs may often require further security assistance. In those instances, DS dispatches Mobile Security Teams from Washington to conduct training for embassy personnel, their dependents, and local guards in protective tactics such as attack recognition, self-defense, hostage survival, and defensive driving. These teams also provide emergency security support to overseas posts, including protective security for COMs, surveillance detection operations, and assistance with post evacuations. In cases where the host country is either unable or unwilling to provide necessary security for the conduct of American diplomacy, specially trained DS special agents lead contractor-provided personal protection teams and guard services in areas of ongoing conflict.

Following the bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Dar es Salaam (Tanzania) and Nairobi (Kenya) in 1998, security countermeasures for our U.S. missions overseas took on greater importance, and this continues today.

[Tertius]

After reading the above and looking at this list

http://www.msg-history.com/detachments.html

Your point is the Obama administration never got around to doing in Libya what is customary and State Department policy. You would be right and I agree.

Which is my point all along. The Marines are and were available. In addition to embassy trained Marines there are thousands of other military units that could have secured the area.

You can do all the tin hat name calling you like but Obama did not do for this one ambassador what is being done for all the diplomats in all the locations on the list.


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[Tertius]

Obama got the man killed.

[hokiewoodchuck]

Morons abound these days.

And yes I have burned a Koran and will do so again if need be.

And yes I will write it on any wall I feel I need to do so however my mother has no walls as she is in Heaven as we speak. She died almost two years ago.......Feel better Now?

And this will be the last post directed at you. I do not engage folks like you in a conversation as you don't have enough sense to peel a banana.

My name has been put out there...........What's yours coward.

Now if you can address the topic at hand that will be quite an achievement in your world.

So, we have established by your own statements that you have already burned one Quran, and you will burn another "if need be". What would this "need" be, to make you burn another Quran? If you're really the brave little man that you've always dreamt about being, how about adding a last name to the name "Neil", that Crock Hunter called you, then with your full name, along with your claim of burning a Quran, you will really be the brave little man you claim to be.

But you won't do this, because you Sir are the real coward here. Think before you open your mouth and you won't look as foolish as you do right now.

Ya know Blackfoot, a few of us on here meet for coffee. Why don't you come along. It would be interesting to say the least. You too Crock.

As I said my full name has been placed here but the morons of the world cannot add 2 + 2 and come up with 4.
The invite stands open but there will be few if any at all takers.

BTW....crockhunter has little to no creditability left. He has already shot everything in his arsenal.

It just seems as if you cannot contribute to the meat of the conversation you resort to name calling, etc. Need I point out limp-wrist tertius and his immediate attack when I showed up.

I am sure he had to seek counseling............like shock therapy.

[lessthantolerant]

What does burning a Quran/Koran have to do with cowardice? This whole line of thought is simply ridiculous. the man has his right to do whatever he wants with their bible just as you iberals do with Christian symbols.

Let's look at reality, what good has Islam actually ever done in its life as a religion? How does subjegation of women and murdering of non practicing muslims qualify in liberals minds as something to crow about?

Islam is a terrible cult which should be eradicated from the face of the earth.

It's funny that the hokiewoodchucks and lessthantolerants of the world are always yapping and trying to get other people to burn the Qurans etc...knowing full well that they themselves have no intention at all of doing the deed themselves, because of their cowardice and the fear of possible repercussions. It's probably why "Neil" hasn't answered the post yet, because, just putting his name and burning the Quran in the same post has him hiding under his bed as we speak.

Funny how you phrased your question ("Let's look at reality, what good has Islam actually ever done in its life "as a religion"?) "As a religion", about the same as other religions, as a people group, the list would be too long to mention.

You should speak from the orifice in your head rather than where your brain seems to reside.

My question was simple, one even you should understand, how is burning their Quran an act of cowardice? I could care less if anyone burns the Quran.

You want to compare Christianity to Islam and blame them both equally, which religion stopped their persecution through force centuries ago?

Yapping like a poodle does not make you a big dog.

[lessthantolerant]

What does burning a Quran/Koran have to do with cowardice? This whole line of thought is simply ridiculous. the man has his right to do whatever he wants with their bible just as you iberals do with Christian symbols.

Let's look at reality, what good has Islam actually ever done in its life as a religion? How does subjegation of women and murdering of non practicing muslims qualify in liberals minds as something to crow about?

Islam is a terrible cult which should be eradicated from the face of the earth.

It's funny that the hokiewoodchucks and lessthantolerants of the world are always yapping and trying to get other people to burn the Qurans etc...knowing full well that they themselves have no intention at all of doing the deed themselves, because of their cowardice and the fear of possible repercussions. It's probably why "Neil" hasn't answered the post yet, because, just putting his name and burning the Quran in the same post has him hiding under his bed as we speak.

Funny how you phrased your question ("Let's look at reality, what good has Islam actually ever done in its life "as a religion"?) "As a religion", about the same as other religions, as a people group, the list would be too long to mention.

Unlike LT, Hokiewoodchuck can't afford one to buy. But, your point is still valid.

Folks I own a Quran and a Bible, I have read both and find them polar opposite books and religions. Let's talk reality for a second.

"If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also" Matthew 5.39

"Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first?" Quran 9.13

Now I know many of you athetists will cite similar versions of hatred and such from the Old Testament, feel free, but the two religions are dramatically different as are their followers.

Now I do not preach religon nor do I advocate that anyone has to follow one, that is a personal choice, but for me, the more moderate one makes sense not the cultlike evil rantings of a pedophile chieftain.

Back to burning a book, not in favor of it at all, but if you choose to it is your right here in America as are the consequences of your actions. So if you choose to do it and are aware of the possibilities, I can't see that as cowardice.

Sorry Teritus but I do not fear for my children as you do since I have confidence in the abilities I have taught them and seen them in action since going on their own.

The world is a difficult place, a father should prepare his children to handle it.

Maybe you need some introspective time.

[Stinger]

Hawking's statement "illusion of knowledge" would be a good tagline for you Stinger.

The first time you can debunk anything I post, your puerile attempts to gain credibility might wobble forward a little bit.

Until then, you're just another braying jackass with nothing to say.

[Stinger]

Your point is the Obama administration never got around to doing in Libya what is customary and State Department policy. You would be right and I agree.

No, I never said any such thing, and your attempt to put those words in my mouth is both cowardly and dishonest.

The State Department followed State Department protocol for that country and that region. It never made it to Hillary. It never made it to Obama. As has been testified to in Congress, mid-level State Departments made these decisions.

That you continue to stupidly deny these facts just shows how unhinged and desperate you are in trying to blame everything on Obama.

There are over a thousand government agencies. How many of these is Obama supposed to micromanage? How many of the millions of decisions made by proper chain-of-command is Obama supposed to interfere with on a daily basis?

Is Obama making the decisions for the FBI investigation into Hulk Hogan's sex tapes?

Try if from a military point of view. Is Marine Commandant General James Amos deciding how many guards are on duty at Camp Lejeune at any one time?

Which is my point all along. The Marines are and were available. In addition to embassy trained Marines there are thousands of other military units that could have secured the area.

And State Department policy didn't call for the Marines, and if there had been Marines, they would have been in Tripoli, not Benghazi. No one ever called for Marines. The Marines were never part of the equation. Your ignorant insistence that they should have been is pointless and meaningless. You don't know. You have nothing to do with State Department policies. You're just an ignorant outsider repeating a mantra, "The Marines should have been there. The Marines should have been there."

You can do all the tin hat name calling you like but Obama did not do for this one ambassador what is being done for all the diplomats in all the locations on the list.

You can do all the stupid denial you want, but the fact remains that Obama doesn't make these sort of everyday decisions for the State Department nor any other branch of the U.S. government.

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I believe Obama made the final decision to take out OBL. Was it a Department of the US Government that carried out his decision; a decision that worked out to his benefit.

Likewise, was it Obama that made the early decision to place the blame of the attack in Libya on a reaction to the American made film that mocked Islam? Who spoke first? The SOS or Jay Carney; the White House Press Secretary who speaks for Obama.