The Religion Thread

[Mr.B]

"There are plenty who would point at your hatred and bigotry say the same thing."
To that I am certain....provided it was "hatred and bigotry".

Let's see....let's make sure we're on the same page here......my beliefs and my being a Christian inspire my belief that the homosexual lifestyle is unrighteous and the very act of homosexuality goes against nature; therefore my beliefs, and the centuries old Bible that condemns the act, is nothing more than hatred and bigotry- but yet, the spewing and gnashing you're presenting here is not hatred and bigotry? If you say no, why not?

These very words, "hatred and bigotry" you, Vrede, and other radical liberal thinkers love to throw at anyone who disagrees with you on this matter only became popular within the last two decades.....namely when the liberal media proclaimed there is no condemning God, and that homosexuality is acceptable as any other lifestyle. That leads me to this question.....

If homosexuality is perfectly normal among humans and base animals, why did homosexuals hide their orientation over the centuries; why do many still hide it?
Because they knew/still know that the act is shameful and disgusting, and because it is a shameful and disgusting act, they were embarrassed to tell family or friends; the act was also illegal in the eyes of the law before the current age of "enlightenment". Now that the age of "enlightenment" is here, and the almighty dollar has spoken, they want us to be forced to accept their lifestyle or face prosecution and /or fines.


"Those Christians - they obviously consider themselves Christians - outnumber you 8000 to one."
I'm sure they do......lots of people in this world that "call" themselves Christians.

"They're a better representation of "what is a Christian" than you are."
How so? What do you define as a "better representation" of a Christian? One who turns a blind eye to Biblical teachings? One who "goes with flow"?
Maybe one whose opinion is "if it feels good, do it"? btw....what part of "I don't hate anyone" that I've said many times, are you having difficulty in understanding?

"You've simply cherry-picked your hatreds from the Bible a little differently."
Most definitely; my "hatred"-induced cherry pickings are much different than your "hatred"-induced cherry pickings.

[Mr.B]

"Don't get too excited..."

No excitement.......you have comprehension skills that the others don't.

[neoplacebo]

Homosexuality has historically been a stigma in American society; nobody's saying it's "normal", just that it's a reality. As for why homosexuals hid their sexual preferences, well, it's because it was a stigma.....like being mentally retarded was and still is a stigma. But nobody would advocate denying benefits or rights to the mentally challenged. The sexual aspect, as far as I'm concerned, is incidental. I'm more obsessed with all the sex people are not having and why they're not having it.

[Mr.B]

"I'm more obsessed with all the sex people are not having and why they're not having it."

You had me going there for a moment...

I thought you were saying "I'm more obsessed with all the sex other people are having and why I'm not having it."

[Mr.B]

"...they want us to be forced to accept their lifestyle or face prosecution and /or fines..."

"No one is forcing you to accept anything"

So if I own a business, (let's say a bakery) and someone came in wanting to order a cake that dealt with homosexuality, Satanism, or something I didn't believe in, I don't have to give in to their demands? Did your Mama drop you on your head during or after birth?

"Because of widespread hatred and bigotry like yours"---------"You remain intrigued by and obsessed with the sex that gays have"

Awwwwww gee...ain't that cute! Seriously, are you ever going to expand your vocabulary? You sound like a broken record. (You do know what a record is, don't you?)
Run down to that Co-op you tout and get yourself a life, I'm sure they're on sale and you can afford one....maybe two, you may need a spare.

[Mr.B]

"No one is forcing you to accept anything"

"If I own a business (let's say a bakery) and you come in wanting to order a cake I cannot discriminate against you because you are white, straight (in many states), Christian, male and/or old. Period. This should not be such a difficult concept for you."

Duh.....This is such a difficult concept for you.

The baker was prosecuted for refusing to make a special cake that promoted what his religious beliefs deemed sinful. He was sued under the guise of "discrimination", so in essence, he was forced to accept the homosexuals' demands....this country is being forced to accept homosexuality as an 'alternate lifestyle'; to hell with anyone's religious beliefs or personal convictions; or as you so lovingly call it, "hate and bigotry".

Do you really think that your posting all those news banners from your soapbox concerning different factions "accepting homosexuality" is going to magically change people's minds overnight? No. There are many, many, many who see the sin and perversion for what it is; it's even prophesied in the Bible; you know, that book of "hate and bigotry"...... Your attempts to whitewash and sugar-coat the subject under the guise of "equality, tolerance and human rights" is useless.

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"--Mark 8:36

[Mr.B]

"Dang, you're stupid in your bigotry.

No one is forced to "accept" anything, they just can't practice discrimination. The baker no longer makes wedding cakes.

In your ideal "religious" world:

Jews could refuse to provide goods and services to Christians.
Muslims could refuse to provide goods and services to women.
Anyone could refuse to provide goods and services to old farts like you.
Whites could refuse to provide goods and services to blacks.

Sorry, this was all settled when "good" Christian whites were stopped from excluding blacks from lunch counters and public transportation. You haters lost then and you're losing now. Get used to it. Your utter cowardice is keeping your bigoted mouth shut at work has not made you any less straight or Christian.

People's minds changed faster than I or most anyone else would have ever predicted, Mr.B Phelps. Haven't you noticed? Mature, decent, compassionate and even religious folk just aren't as obsessed with the consensual sex that others have as you are.

I have never posted that the Bible is a book of "hate and bigotry". Rather, I've said that you cherry pick parts of it to justify your own hate and bigotry. Why do you keep lying about such things when the Bible condemns false witness far more than it does homosexuality? Repent, you perverted sinner with a corrupted soul."

ExLax will help you here too.

[Mr.B]

"Childish and cowardly response to your demonstrated whiny paranoia, lies, ignorance, obsession and bigotry."

Constipation's a bi*ch, ain't it.

[Mr.B]

"I wouldn't know but it can't be as big a bitch as a childish, whiny, paranoid, lying, ignorant, gay obsessed bigot is."

Don't know any of them either......you have weird tastes in people you hang around with!

[Mr.B]

childish: "ExLax"
whiny: "forced to accept"
paranoid: "to hell with anyone's religious beliefs or personal convictions"
lying: "Bible; you know, that book of 'hate and bigotry'"
ignorant: You miss Jim Crow's "religious" bigotry
gay obsessed: page after page
bigot: Why are you too cowardly to admit it?"
Yeppers....the ExLax worketh. You spewed out a mouth full (ewww) that time. Don't that hurt?

"Now, about your obsession with bowel movements? Is it linked to your obsession with the sex that gays have?"
I'm afraid you'll have to clue me in concerning gay-sex and bowel movements.....are they connected somehow?

[JTA]

Guys, it is Friday. A time to rejoice and eat pizza.

Amen.

[bannination]

Guys, it is Friday. A time to rejoice and eat pizza.

Amen.

Had pizza last night :-)

[JTA]

Guys, it is Friday. A time to rejoice and eat pizza.

Amen.

Had pizza last night :-)

Tearing through some pizza as we speak. If it ain't white it ain't right this Friday.

[JTA]

Guys, it is Friday. A time to rejoice and eat pizza.

Amen.

Had pizza last night :-)

Tearing through some pizza as we speak. If it ain't white it ain't right this Friday.

Oh sweet baby Jesus! I forgot about my sweet tart jelly beans I stashed away in my glove box some time ago.

Is it luck?!

[rstrong]

my beliefs and my being a Christian inspire my belief that the homosexual lifestyle is unrighteous and the very act of homosexuality goes against nature;

You're entitled to your belief, just like the rest of us are entitled to ours. Of course that means that if you express your belief, the rest of us can express what we think of it.

But you are not entitled to force your beliefs on others. That includes everything from Sunday shopping laws to same-sex marriage bans. If you don't want to open your business on Sunday, no-one is forcing you to. If you don't want to be in a same-sex marriage or have them in your church, no-one is forcing you to. Those outside your religion would be happy to leave you alone.

But when your religion won't leave others alone, well, your persecution complex is based on your religion's persecution of others, and finding that it's not working as well as it used to.

...namely when the liberal media proclaimed there is no condemning God, and that homosexuality is acceptable as any other lifestyle...

We got rid of the hate. We examined the ethics of the situation. Get over it.

I'm sure you blame the end of slavery on "the liberal media."

If homosexuality is perfectly normal among humans and base animals, why did homosexuals hide their orientation over the centuries; why do many still hide it?

Seriously? You deny the persecution of homosexuals over the centuries?

Shall we group this with your denial of the evil of slavery, "because Christians treated their slaves like brothers?"

...and the almighty dollar has spoken...

Gee. Another goddamned stupid cop-out to avoid the civil right issue.

...they want us to be forced to accept their lifestyle or face prosecution and /or fines...

You just wrote, "Because they knew/still know that the act is shameful and disgusting, and because it is a shameful and disgusting act, they were embarrassed to tell family or friends..."

You're spewing hatred, and yet you don't face prosecution and /or fines. All you face is someone expressing their opinion too.

It's only when you start infringing on the rights of others that you face penalties.

I'm sure they do......lots of people in this world that "call" themselves Christians.

They most certainly do, just like you do. You've merely cherry-picked your bits from the Bible to support a different set of hatreds. With 8000 to your one, they do indeed represent a far more credible representation of Christianity. Especially with your personal rejection of the entire Old Testament which very few Christians indeed would agree with. (In addition to your rejecting selected bits of the sequel.)

Of course that's not fair to Christianity. You're in the same group as the 8000, your difference in petty hatreds being of little if any significance.

An increasing number of Christian denominations have been brave enough to openly support and perform same-sex marriages. Everyone from the largest Protestant denomination in my country, to the Quakers. Sure, the Catholic Church is currently against it, after performing same-sex unions for a thousand years from roughly 500AD to 1500AD. But they've made plenty of changes over the last 60 years. Give them another generation.

What do you define as a "better representation" of a Christian? One who turns a blind eye to Biblical teachings?

YOU turn a blind eye to Biblical teachings when it suits YOU to "go with flow." Letting women speak in church for example. Just as thoroughly forbidden - by the same writer - as your citation forbidding homosexuality.

[rstrong]

"Dang, you're stupid in your bigotry.

No one is forced to "accept" anything, they just can't practice discrimination. The baker no longer makes wedding cakes.

In your ideal "religious" world:

Jews could refuse to provide goods and services to Christians.
Muslims could refuse to provide goods and services to women.
Anyone could refuse to provide goods and services to old farts like you.
Whites could refuse to provide goods and services to blacks.

Sorry, this was all settled when "good" Christian whites were stopped from excluding blacks from lunch counters and public transportation. You haters lost then and you're losing now. Get used to it. Your utter cowardice is keeping your bigoted mouth shut at work has not made you any less straight or Christian.

ExLax will help you here too.

Cop-out, as expected.

[Mr.B]

geeze....you again? I thought you'd still have your tongue stuck to that frozen flag pole.

Vrede must have called you and asked for your help.

"But you are not entitled to force your beliefs on others."

But homosexuals are entitled to force us to accept their perversions as "alternate lifestyles."....got it.

[rstrong]

geeze....you again? I thought you'd still have your tongue stuck to that frozen flag pole.

I have a life. You wouldn't understand.

"But you are not entitled to force your beliefs on others."

But homosexuals are entitled to force us to accept their perversions as "alternate lifestyles."....got it.

They're not trying to dictate whether YOU should be allowed to marry.

I tend to be rather libertarian. The basis of law is that your actions can affect others. When someone's actions don't affect others, there shouldn't be a law stopping those actions. The bottom line is that a couple down the street having a same-sex marriage, doesn't affect you.

Your little persecution complex is base on your finding that YOUR persecution of others isn't working so well any more.

[Mr.B]

"I don't have much hope for clueing you in."
You're correct, there's not much hope for you. Unlike your obsession with it, I wasn't really interested in the subject anyway.
Your vast knowledge of all gay-sex related subjects are overwhelming.

"You still think there's a religious right to discriminate in retail goods and services despite the death of Jim Crow 50 years ago."
Awww, good-gosh-golly-darn-gee-whiz, you really know how to hurt a guy, don't you?
(in which of the Indian wars did Jim Crow die?)

[Mr.B]

"Cop-out, as expected."

And that pizzes you off big time.

All your "educated and enlightened" knowledge doesn't alter the fact that homosexuality is a perverse, un-natural act that is Biblically condemned; that's all I'm saying.

Now....if they want to marry, that's their business, not mine; they have rights under our laws the same as I; I'm saying it's a perverse, un-natural act that is Biblically condemned under God's law; that's all I'm saying. Of course you and your ilk don't believe in God, so that means nothing to you.

Your throwing your silly "churches approve of homosexuality" rhetoric at me means nothing; the Bible tells us how to recognize the tree that produces good fruit as opposed to the one that doesn't; the same applies to churches....they're dead in their sins, however, lots of people in this world "call" themselves Christians.

Also the almighty dollar is the driving force behind the acceptance of perversion in our society...call it a lie if you want to; that's the usual response from the deniers. If businesses stated any form of dislike for homosexuality, guess what would happen to their bottom line? Didn't take you long to guess, did it?