Veteran Day

[rstrong]

ESAD and keep your counsel to those who prefer the safety of the bench since you and your country know that position better then any country in the western hemisphere.

If you never get in the game you never get hurt.

We took part in places like Bosnea and Libya, and in Afghanistan did the heavy lifting in the south and Kandahar where other NATO countries refused to go. We were in WWI from the beginning, while America showed up as it was winding down. We were in WWII from the beginning in 1939, while America didn't join in earnest until March of 1941.

So we didn't share in your glory in Vietnam. That ain't bench warming.

[rstrong]

This thread is about US Vets, not yours.

When it was about Vietnam, I posted about Vietnam. When it turned to Cuba, I posted about Cuba. When you turned it to your expertise on being spit on, I posted on that too.

YOU then brought up Canada.

Checked your military hardware lately? Where did it come from?

Some from the US. Some from Europe. And of course much of it from Canada. Canada's Stryker armored fighting vehicles have become rather popular with American troops, since the Humvee turned out to be not as bullet-proof as advertised.

(Weirdness: There are now at least three manufacturers in China producing Humvees. One of them with AM General's help.)

[Supsalemgr]

Billy's right; Vietnam was lost by everyone except the Vietnamese. One of my good friends, a Vietnam vet, shot himself in the head on his daughters birthday. This was more than ten years after the war. Who killed him?

lotta blame to go around over that war. it was very close to me in many ways, I reckon that's why hearing a little punk like tag spewing those same old lies about that war that are being used to get more kids killed in this war gets me going -

that said, my vote for who caused the death of your friend goes to Ike for starting the damn thing, mccarthy for the whole red scare bs, johnson for escalating it and kissinger for endlessly promoting it

I also applaud the thousands and thousands who went to canada and protested and resisted the war in many ways, they and the exposure of that piece of shit lt. calley got us out of that war and saved many more thousands

Fish head please show me where I have lied about the Vietnam war. I lost quite a few friends during that conflict and resent the hell out of you saying I did anything to disparage the efforts of the folks who went to Vietnam.

[Reality]

So BP applauds those who ran away. Figures.

Of course BP thinks all of those who went next door to la la land were protesting the war. I'm thinking most went because they were, still are, chicken sh**!

[k9nanny]

Are there any lefties on this forum that have any Vietnam skin in the game?

If not? STFU!!!

We all had skin in the game. Those of us who hurt for damaged friends and loved ones still do.

[Reality]

Vred, all you know about the US Military is what you read in a book. Were you everywhere when the Vietnam Protest were going on? Were you in all the ports of entry when those that survived came home? I passed through San Francisco on my way home in Septemebr 1966. Were you there? Probably before your time but I'm sure as a child you kept abreast of world events.

In Bungalow's world the US has never done anything correctly. I just cannot figure out why he elects to stay in such an imperialist nation.

BTW Bungalow, have you ever been anywhere other than Disney World?

Vred, did you vote for Bill Clinton?

[homerfobe]

Reality wrote: Are there any lefties on this forum that have any Vietnam skin in the game? If not? STFU!!!

That's what I'm saying. It seems that every one of you lefties have all the lowdown on how or why returning Vietnam vets were treated. My question is, how many of you got off the planes/ships and experienced the welcoming committees first-hand?
If you are commenting on what you read somewhere in the liberal or conservative news, and weren't fortunate enough to be be there in person---STFU!

Our veterans deserve better than what you assholes here, especially you non-vets, are raving about.

[rstrong]

But, it's exceedingly rare to find a chicken sh** who was as publicly pro-war yet too chicken sh** to go as the guy you proudly just voted for.

How about George aWol Bush?

Or Dick "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service" Cheney, who applied for and received five draft deferments?

Slate.com: How Dick Cheney Is Like Dan Quayle

Of course, Bill Clinton hasn't expressed much regret either about avoiding military service during the Vietnam era. But Clinton, it should be remembered, opposed the war. Cheney and Quayle, on the other hand, did not oppose the war. They just didn't want to fight it.

In Cheney's defence this story was written in 2000, so it could be considered dishonest: They had no way of knowing that the chairman and CEO of Halliburton would continue to own stock in the military contractor and would profit enormously from any wars while in office. For all they knew, once in office, Cheney could have been anti-war.

[billy.pilgrim]

cuba and viet nam could have been recognized, but for some reason we seem too insecure with our capitalism to have relations with thoses who choose other methods

seems to me our positive influence on their economy is the quickest and surest way to defeat communism

the only capitalism either country knew was the heavy handed rule by the rich and their exploitation of the poor. castro was an improvement over puppet batista

kennedy blew it when he refused to engage in talks offered by che
ike blew it when he refused to accept offers by ho

With a $900 million net worth at the expense of his people, Fidel is a real humanitarian.

exactly why we should have engaged him diplomatically after he took over and was so full of idealism, but we are so damn scared of putting our system up against some piss-ant communist economy that we try to destroy them any way we can.

let them try, who knows, we may be able to glean some good from their system while we show them that overall ours can work better

batista and his American enablers still make the current castro look like a pauper. what castro did in the revolution needed doing, what castro has done since - some good - some bad - some the fault of our embargo - some the fault of casrto's alliance with the soviets

as for the soviets, che tried to negotiate with us first. we refused and tried to destroy them financially. what choice did they have?

[billy.pilgrim]

Dunno PBO, who killed your friend; on his daughter's b'day?

Pil, you appear to be the Vietnam War expert. Are you taking a poll of who got spit on? Ask me!

Are there any lefties on this forum that have any Vietnam skin in the game?

If not? STFU!!!

liar


the only vets who were spit on, were spit on by right wing punks who were too stupid to understand why American soldiers were protesting the viet nam war

metaphorically speaking, the same way you, faux news, bush's oil buddies from texas and lil bush spit of combat veteran John Kerry in 2004 by editing what he said to congress and your swift boat lies

[billy.pilgrim]

Piss on you Canuck.

This thread is about US Vets, not yours.

Checked your military hardware lately? Where did it come from? Toys r us?

As for getting help. You and your country men are experts at that.

atalossforreality appears to be another who never served in combat

[billy.pilgrim]

ESAD and keep your counsel to those who prefer the safety of the bench since you and your country know that position better then any country in the western hemisphere.

If you never get in the game you never get hurt.

We took part in places like Bosnea and Libya, and in Afghanistan did the heavy lifting in the south and Kandahar where other NATO countries refused to go. We were in WWI from the beginning, while America showed up as it was winding down. We were in WWII from the beginning in 1939, while America didn't join in earnest until March of 1941.

So we didn't share in your glory in Vietnam. That ain't bench warming.

still amazes me that the right is so wrong about history almost ever time. many on the right supported hitler (as did some on the left), the right was instrumental in preventing our earlier involvement. the right didn't lift a finger when france was invaded and occupied.

yet now all they remember is some bullshit lie about saving france and the lie that france was too gutless to help us in iraq after we saved their country

many good Americans died in the Canadian military while fighting hitler

[billy.pilgrim]

This thread is about US Vets, not yours.

When it was about Vietnam, I posted about Vietnam. When it turned to Cuba, I posted about Cuba. When you turned it to your expertise on being spit on, I posted on that too.

YOU then brought up Canada.

Checked your military hardware lately? Where did it come from?

Some from the US. Some from Europe. And of course much of it from Canada. Canada's Stryker armored fighting vehicles have become rather popular with American troops, since the Humvee turned out to be not as bullet-proof as advertised.

(Weirdness: There are now at least three manufacturers in China producing Humvees. One of them with AM General's help.)

aren't the army's boots made in china

[billy.pilgrim]

Billy's right; Vietnam was lost by everyone except the Vietnamese. One of my good friends, a Vietnam vet, shot himself in the head on his daughters birthday. This was more than ten years after the war. Who killed him?

lotta blame to go around over that war. it was very close to me in many ways, I reckon that's why hearing a little punk like tag spewing those same old lies about that war that are being used to get more kids killed in this war gets me going -

that said, my vote for who caused the death of your friend goes to Ike for starting the damn thing, mccarthy for the whole red scare bs, johnson for escalating it and kissinger for endlessly promoting it

I also applaud the thousands and thousands who went to canada and protested and resisted the war in many ways, they and the exposure of that piece of shit lt. calley got us out of that war and saved many more thousands

Fish head please show me where I have lied about the Vietnam war. I lost quite a few friends during that conflict and resent the hell out of you saying I did anything to disparage the efforts of the folks who went to Vietnam.

tag, strange that you would respond to my response to your other bs comment by injecting it into this post. it's almost as if you want to present the idea that I called you a liar about something you said about viet nam (admittedly, I may have called you a liar about the constant stream of faux limbo bs, especially when you spew it again after having it totally debunked, but not here). Could it be that you are lying about my comment to you to bolster your idiotic right wing bs about the poor treatment of viet nam vets
as you said in your post, “Supsalemgr wrote:
What a wonderful message. I am grateful our country better understands what these service people do now. It is a shame how our Vietnam veterans were treated for their service.”

And my response was, “what possesses you to interject your hate and bs into everything positive you try to say

then, as now, the vets were treated fine. it was the wrong war and those who promoted it that was protested

the only shame I've seen towards viet nam vets has come from the right against all vets who protested the war


btw - no one has ever been able to find a vet who was spit on by a war protester but plenty of war protesters were spit on by pro-war demonstrators

and btw - the swift boat liars who trashed Kerry have been proven to be nothing but liars - but I'm sure you didn't hear that on faux

and btw - the clip you have seen of Kerry's testimony to Congress has been edited and the context altered in order to make kerry look bad - but I'm sure you didn't hear that on faux - because they did it”

No calling you a liar. Although I did indicated you stupidity for continuing to absorb and repeat right wing lies about history.

And why didn’t you stand up for Kerry when your heros at faux and lil bush lied about his service
And how about Gore’s service
And what about lil bush and mittens dodging the draft so someone else could die for them

[billy.pilgrim]

So BP applauds those who ran away. Figures.

Of course BP thinks all of those who went next door to la la land were protesting the war. I'm thinking most went because they were, still are, chicken sh**!

it took a lot of courage to leave family and country, to go to prison or even to live life on the run. yes these brave men were protesting the war and yes these brave men did save many lives by bringing the war to an earlier close

but you would know anything about the courage it takes to stand up for your beliefs or to stand against an illegal immoral war


I evaded the draft as most of the middle class did - college deferment

[billy.pilgrim]

Are there any lefties on this forum that have any Vietnam skin in the game?

If not? STFU!!!

We all had skin in the game. Those of us who hurt for damaged friends and loved ones still do.

absolutely

and all the more reason to learn what happened and learn from what happened
to mouth the lies and bs about liberal media, supporting freedom, stopping dominoes, spitting on vets and all the rest that has come out of nam is the shame


and besides, who would want to stop dominoes

[billy.pilgrim]

Vred, all you know about the US Military is what you read in a book. Were you everywhere when the Vietnam Protest were going on? Were you in all the ports of entry when those that survived came home? I passed through San Francisco on my way home in Septemebr 1966. Were you there? Probably before your time but I'm sure as a child you kept abreast of world events.

In Bungalow's world the US has never done anything correctly. I just cannot figure out why he elects to stay in such an imperialist nation.

BTW Bungalow, have you ever been anywhere other than Disney World?

Vred, did you vote for Bill Clinton?

1st lie you were never spit on

2nd lie - yes the US was wrong it viet nam - we supported a dictator over a legitimate democratically elected government

and 3rdly - clinton evaded the draft - sure did - more power to him for disagreeing with the war and refusing to go

but did you vote for draft dodger lil bush and his draft dodger friend cheney over viet nam veteran Gore

and did you vote for draft dodger lil bush and his draft dodger friend cheney over combat viet nam veteran Gore

and did you vote for french loving draft dodger mittens

[billy.pilgrim]

Reality wrote: Are there any lefties on this forum that have any Vietnam skin in the game? If not? STFU!!!

That's what I'm saying. It seems that every one of you lefties have all the lowdown on how or why returning Vietnam vets were treated. My question is, how many of you got off the planes/ships and experienced the welcoming committees first-hand?
If you are commenting on what you read somewhere in the liberal or conservative news, and weren't fortunate enough to be be there in person---STFU!

Our veterans deserve better than what you assholes here, especially you non-vets, are raving about.

viet nam was a wrong war, sorry about the welcoming committees

too bad that almost everything "real" these vets have needed, has been shot down by the right - ptsd wasn't really real, the cancers weren't really verifiable and on and on, but we will gladly throw you a parade or print you a bumper sticker

kma

[billy.pilgrim]

reckon I answered everybody

[Stinger]

Could it be that you are lying about my comment to you to bolster your idiotic right wing bs about the poor treatment of viet nam vets

What about the right's poor treatment of Iraq and Afghanistan vets, what with Bush and McCain voting against increases in VA services even though the number of cases of PTSD and suicides was skyrocketing?

What about the Pub who just a month ago put an anonymous hold on a senate bill to increase the COLA for VA benefits. What about the 40 Pubs, a couple of weeks earlier, who managed to stop a jobs bill for veterans that was completely paid for with cuts from other departments. Veterans pay for the Pubs determination to keep Obama from passing any legislation.