Guns, race, religion, terror, wingnut thread

[JTA]

Point rstrong for getting to you enough that you're this desperate get back at him.

Proofread much? Getting to me? Hardly! I'm enjoying hell out of this.
I'm sure he's happy that you're standing by his side, though. Twins do that you know.

Hahaha not this gif again haha

[Seth Milner]

Hahaha not this gif again haha

Admittedly, it is getting old; however it suits those two to a tee.
One can't post without the other parroting his words, or chiming in to throw in his two cents worth . . . as evidenced below:

Aw, Seth Milner still can't comprehend more than one person disagreeing with his bigotry and delusions.

Not much to agree or disagree about, it was just a whiny and dumb Seth Milner tangent.

BTW . . . Mr. strong still has to prove that I've posted anything that was bigoted, homophobic, etc. that he has accused me of.
Proof positive he's blowing smoke out his ass.

[O Really]

BTW . . . Mr. strong still has to prove that I've posted anything that was bigoted, homophobic, etc. that he has accused me of.
Proof positive he's blowing smoke out his ass.

Oh, puh-leeze, Seth. You may not have posted anything original that specifically expressed bigoted...etc. views, but much of what you throw up as memes or cut/pastes fall without question into what most normal people would consider bigoted...etc. And you do it just to yank chains. Whether that means you share the views of what you post may be up for discussion, but not that you post bigoted...etc. stuff. Own it.

[Seth Milner]

BTW . . . Mr. strong still has to prove that I've posted anything that was bigoted, homophobic, etc. that he has accused me of.
Proof positive he's blowing smoke out his ass.

Oh, puh-leeze, Seth. You may not have posted anything original that specifically expressed bigoted...etc. views, but much of what you throw up as memes or cut/pastes fall without question into what most normal people would consider bigoted...etc. And you do it just to yank chains. Whether that means you share the views of what you post may be up for discussion, but not that you post bigoted...etc. stuff. Own it.

Well, yeah . . . I post . Not because I believe in the message they convey; I'm pretty much out & out neutral on most subjects; I don't support or condemn homosexuality or transgenitalism, so since I don't support either, according to the "huggers" here, that means I'm bigoted & homophobic. I've never expressed dislike toward women & blacks or their rights issues, so according to the rights huggers, I'm bigoted.

All I've done is challenged the Canadian blowhard to back up his claims to the names he's called me.

I post memes because they're funny, even if joking isn't permitted.

[O Really]

I post memes because they're funny, even if joking isn't permitted.

Joking is permitted, but tell me, what sort of a person finds Auschwitz jokes funny? Racist type jokes? Joked demeaning to women?

[Vrede too]

A hateful, bigoted, old but immature, hetero white male Christian without the stones to admit what he is, of course. Thankfully, their despicable ilk is reforming or dying out.

[Vrede too]

Judge refuses to free Oregon standoff leaders before trial

Awwww.

[GoCubsGo]

Judge refuses to free Oregon standoff leaders before trial

Awwww.

In Ryan Bundy's cell, jail personnel found a rope made with multiple sheets tied together, additional strips of torn sheets, extra pillow cases, towels, clothing and food," the judge wrote. "I reject his excuse that he was practicing braiding."

[Seth Milner]

I post memes because they're funny, even if joking isn't permitted.

Joking is permitted, but tell me, what sort of a person finds Auschwitz jokes funny?
Who posted one?

Racist type jokes?
Example(s)?

Jokes demeaning to women?
Example(s)?

People from all walks of life, occupations, life styles, looks, races, sexual orientation, etc. have, at one time or the other, been the butt of a joke at some point in their life. It's been a part of human nature for centuries; It's only in the last few years that the attitude of "that offends me" has come the new buzz words or phrase causing the market for soapboxes to proliferate.

A hateful, bigoted, old but immature, hetero white male Christian without the stones to admit what he is, of course. Thankfully, their despicable ilk is reforming or dying out.

See what I mean? Even Vrede can find humor in his hateful, bigoted, old, and immature heart.
(Apparently he doesn't fill the bill when it comes to Christian or a hetero with stones (literally).
But if I said that, then that would be making a joke about him, and in this age of "that offends me", . . . opps!

[O Really]

People from all walks of life, occupations, life styles, looks, races, sexual orientation, etc. have, at one time or the other, been the butt of a joke at some point in their life. It's been a part of human nature for centuries; It's only in the last few years that the attitude of "that offends me" has come the new buzz words or phrase causing the market for soapboxes to proliferate. [/color]

Probably true, but are you really going to argue that just because something has occurred for many centuries that it automatically becomes OK? In what way is recognition of offense - and opportunity to express offense - not a good thing? Do you suppose people who were the butt of jokes many years ago were not offended? Or just afraid to express it. Is there anything positive at all in making someone a butt of a joke - particularly one that is based on their differences from the "joker.' And particularly if the "joke" is basically cruel. Jokes in poor taste are like the old comment about pornography - you may not be able to define it, but you can recognize it when you see it.

[Seth Milner]

My point is: Why do people get their shorts out of sorts because of a few jokes, puns, finger-pointing, etc. Like I said, it's happened for centuries, it's going to happen a few more centuries. It's human nature. Do you really think this world will evolve into a mindless society; a people who will be afraid to look at someone else when they walk down the street, because they are afraid of offending the other person by some lord know what all reason?

A fellow I know got the riot act read to him just for telling a woman she looked nice with her hair style and what she was wearing. She didn't appreciate his thinking he could flirt with her and make comments about her looks. He said "Damn, woman, I was only telling you how nice you looked; had you preferred to hear me muttering under my breath how damn ugly you are?"

So there, in a nutshell, people are going to joke and comment. Whether it's OK or not is questionable, only in the mind of whoever wants to get their shorts out of sorts. Pitifully whining about such is as useless as tits on a boar hog.

[Vrede too]

By Seth Milner's "reasoning", lynching, spousal rape, child molestation, Jew gassing, violent gay bashing, animal cruelty, etc. "jokes" are all things that we should get off of our "soapboxes" and laugh along with him at.

No thanks, I'd rather laugh at how pathetic Seth Milner is.

[O Really]

A fellow I know got the riot act read to him just for telling a woman she looked nice with her hair style and what she was wearing. She didn't appreciate his thinking he could flirt with her and make comments about her looks. He said "Damn, woman, I was only telling you how nice you looked; had you preferred to hear me muttering under my breath how damn ugly you are?"

I suspect she would have preferred that he didn't consider her looks any of his business. I suspect also that he knew her name, and that "damn, woman..." was intended as condescension. Why did he think he was entitled to flirt or comment on her looks (good or bad) anyway? Real question.

[Vrede too]

I'd wonder whether this was witnessed by Seth Milner or whether it's the version he got from the fellow he knows.

[O Really]

I'd wonder whether this was witnessed by Seth Milner or whether it's the version he got from the fellow he knows.

I'm guessing Seth heard only the guy's version.

[Vrede too]

I suppose it could happen, but I've known some pretty strident feminists and I've never seen one read "the riot act" over a gentlemanly compliment about her looks. Maybe it was something cruder or more suggestive?

[O Really]

I've done a bunch of client seminars on harassment (as well as some ummm, "counseling" sessions and riot act readings to miscreants), and I'm amazed as the level of tone-deaf some of these people have (undoubtedly like Seth's friend). They always think a "compliment" should be appreciated, or worse, that women should be interested in his evaluation of their appearance. I generally say that any compliment that would work with both genders is probably OK. Any compliment that has any sexual aspect to it is probably not. So would Seth's friend have commented on Seth's suit or hair? Maybe. Nothing wrong with saying "that's a really nice tie (scarf)." Or "so you shaved your head, Seth - looks good on you." Probably would not have said "Seth,you look really hot in those jeans."

[Vrede too]

If it's a friend of Seth's, we can make some educated guesses as to the level of maturity, thoughtfulness, sensitivity, manners, morality, introspection, respect for women, accountability . . . and honesty when relating the story to Seth.

[Seth Milner]

By Seth Milner's "reasoning", lynching, spousal rape, child molestation, Jew gassing, violent gay bashing, animal cruelty, etc. "jokes" are all things that we should get off of our "soapboxes" and laugh along with him at.
No thanks, I'd rather laugh at how pathetic Seth Milner is.
You're about as stupid as shit with those remarks; but "we" take it in stride. "We" are already laughing at how pathetic you are.

I suspect she would have preferred that he didn't consider her looks any of his business. I suspect also that he knew her name, and that "damn, woman..." was intended as condescension. Why did he think he was entitled to flirt or comment on her looks (good or bad) anyway? Real question.

I'd wonder whether this was witnessed by Seth Milner or whether it's the version he got from the fellow he knows.

I'm guessing Seth heard only the guy's version.

I was with him; and true, she probably didn't think how she looked was any of his business. Paul didn't know her, she was the hostess at an upscale restaurant, and she was dressed very nicely. He wasn't flirting, he began by complimenting the decor of the restaurant that we had never been to before, he than complimented how nicely she was dressed. The "offended" shit then hit the fan. "Entitlement" is a buzz word of the politically correct crowd; therefore he wasn't entitled as he's not a whiner over political correctness.

I've done a bunch of client seminars on harassment (as well as some ummm, "counseling" sessions and riot act readings to miscreants), and I'm amazed as the level of tone-deaf some of these people have (undoubtedly like Seth's friend). They always think a "compliment" should be appreciated, or worse, that women should be interested in his evaluation of their appearance. I generally say that any compliment that would work with both genders is probably OK. Any compliment that has any sexual aspect to it is probably not. So would Seth's friend have commented on Seth's suit or hair? Maybe. Nothing wrong with saying "that's a really nice tie (scarf)."
Nothing wrong with saying how nice someone looks either, nor is it sexual harassment.
I'm guessing this woman has been hit on numerous times and she was on the rag that day and got her thought processes screwed up.

Probably would not have said "Seth,you look really hot in those jeans."
As far as I know, Vrede wasn't there, and I was wearing a coat and tie. Luck smiled on me on both counts.

If it's a friend of Seth's, we can make some educated guesses as to the level of maturity, thoughtfulness, sensitivity, manners, morality, introspection, respect for women, accountability . . . and honesty when relating the story to Seth.
No, "we" don't have to do any guessing; you weren't with me, nor are we friends, that I'm aware of.
Besides, "educated guesses" are well beyond your capabilities..

[O Really]

Oh. He was "only" commenting on the appearance of the hostess at an upscale restaurant. Well, that certainly explains why he thought she should have appreciated his evaluation of her. Good to know he wasn't "flirting." Did he ever offer any reason at all why he thought that would be appropriate? Too cheap to offer a tip for a better table? Thought he'd chat up the hostess for free? Just generally thinks he's God's gift to all women? You need better dinner partners, not different hostesses.