Gun Legislation

[Cannonpointer]

Let me go you one farther.

WHY would the cops willingly cover up a murder? Racism? Really?

A homicide detective and a prosecutor are gonna put their careers on the line and cover up a murder to protect a brown guy, because they don't like black guys?

Is that your final answer? Is that ANYONE'S final answer?

The legal establishment was second guessed due to political pressure. The second guessers were given every opportunity to vindicate their preposterous theory, and they failed. Again, only on the interwebs can such silliness be prattled about with a straight face.

I am not entirely immune to conspiracy theories. For example, I certainly do not buy the Warren Commission white wash.

But this silly shit? Give me a fucking break. Zimmerman was an ignorant mutt, and the cops would have loved to bust his balls. They couldn't. The kid "got away." Then he went on an errand of mischief that his movements CLEARLY betrayed. Then he got shot, in self defense.

And the notion that anyone can "banish me" from "liberaldom" because I don't buy their stupid fucking conspiracy theory is laughable. I banish them from adultdom.

[Cannonpointer]

In response to Vrede's continued whining, bump - oh, and Vrede: Zimmerman is brown, not white. Get past it. You do not get to change his race to suit your victimology, son.

Let me go you one farther.

WHY would the cops willingly cover up a murder? Racism? Really?

A homicide detective and a prosecutor are gonna put their careers on the line and cover up a murder to protect a brown guy, because they don't like black guys?

Is that your final answer? Is that ANYONE'S final answer?

The legal establishment was second guessed due to political pressure. The second guessers were given every opportunity to vindicate their preposterous theory, and they failed. Again, only on the interwebs can such silliness be prattled about with a straight face.

I am not entirely immune to conspiracy theories. For example, I certainly do not buy the Warren Commission white wash.

But this silly shit? Give me a fucking break. Zimmerman was an ignorant mutt, and the cops would have loved to bust his balls. They couldn't. The kid "got away." Then he went on an errand of mischief that his movements CLEARLY betrayed. Then he got shot, in self defense.

And the notion that anyone can "banish me" from "liberaldom" because I don't buy their stupid fucking conspiracy theory is laughable. I banish them from adultdom.

[Cannonpointer]

Says the ignoramus that's created his own race. Point proven.

I created a race, retard? I created a race?

No, sir. WE created a race. You and I.

I created the brown race, and you created the white race.

White is not a race, retard.

So, getting past you effeminate semantics, ZIMMERMAN IS A BROWN MAN, with SOME white heritage. By your school girl definitions, Obama is white. But yet, if I were to rail against him, many would call me racist, and defend him based on his race. Why is that, him being white and all?

[Cannonpointer]

...The fact that Zimm WAS cut off from reasonable retreat is pretty well established, as well...

Lie, again, unless one assumes that a skinny kid can cover all points of the compass.

No, one assumes that calling the attacking ,mma sport fighter a "skinny kid" is your effeminate way of sniveling on and on and on.

You've called a man out of his race - ethnicity? color? - in order to prate your school girl meme about racism in America, and you've been called on it. So you dive into semantics as a back door.

The facts are in and, SHOCKINGLY, it turned out that a homicide detective and a prosecutor did NOT put their careers on the line to cover up a brown guy murdering a black guy.

You lost, son. Move on with your life.

[O Really]

Let me go you one farther.

WHY would the cops willingly cover up a murder? Racism? Really?

A homicide detective and a prosecutor are gonna put their careers on the line and cover up a murder to protect a brown guy, because they don't like black guys?

Is that your final answer? Is that ANYONE'S final answer?

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The creativity of your imagination is entertaining, but nobody said anything about covering up a murder. It is undisputed that Martin was killed, and was killed by Zimmerman. Whether the charge is murder, and in what degree, or whether it is something else is a matter of what the prosecution thinks matches the facts. In this case, the facts being that Zimmerman killed an unarmed person younger than 18 and in questionable circumstances. Better to let a jury sort it out than to take his word for it. The issue doesn't have to be racial; it doesn't have to be left/right. If Zimmerman had been charged promptly, nobody out of central Florida would have ever heard of the case, whether he was convicted or not. But by dragging on the charge, the case grew legs and turned into a racially-looking mess.

[Cannonpointer]

White, as a well-known to everybody but mewling retards like you, is a synonym for Caucasian, and you've been so stupid as to deny that GZ is both.

He's not Caucasian. He has SOME Caucasian, some African, and some Incan racial make up. He is a mestizo, with brown pigmentation. So whether we look at color or race or ethnicity, you remain a race-baiting liar-tard who engages in dishonest semantics at a shrill and hysterical volume. No offense.

"SOME white heritage" to Cannonpointer is way, way more than half white heritage to anyone honest, accurate and sane.

No, that just something you made up because of your hysteria. Find a man and ask him to slap you, then put smelling salts under your craven nose, Molly.

Racially, Obama is 1/2 white, dummy, everyone knows that. Thanks to our perverse society and history, culturally Obama is black.

No, dummy. He's not black because we're perverts. He's black because he black, you fucking hysterical idiot. My GOD man. Grow up.

Now, about your lies that "la raza" is exclusively Mexican,

No, that s YOUR lie, son. I said Mexicans call themselves La Raza, not that they claimed exclusivity in that designation. I BELIEVE they include other mestizos of Hispanic ethnicity in that group - Salvadorans, Guatemalans, etc. You don't get to make up quotes and not be called on it.

Now, tell the board why a homicide detective and a prosecutor covered up a brown guy murdering a black guy, putting their careers in jeopardy.

Answer: They didn't, dummy. They looked at the evidence and determined self defense.

[Cannonpointer]

Let me go you one farther.

WHY would the cops willingly cover up a murder? Racism? Really?

A homicide detective and a prosecutor are gonna put their careers on the line and cover up a murder to protect a brown guy, because they don't like black guys?

Is that your final answer? Is that ANYONE'S final answer?

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The creativity of your imagination is entertaining, but nobody said anything about covering up a murder. It is undisputed that Martin was killed, and was killed by Zimmerman. Whether the charge is murder, and in what degree, or whether it is something else is a matter of what the prosecution thinks matches the facts. In this case, the facts being that Zimmerman killed an unarmed person younger than 18 and in questionable circumstances. Better to let a jury sort it out than to take his word for it. The issue doesn't have to be racial; it doesn't have to be left/right. If Zimmerman had been charged promptly, nobody out of central Florida would have ever heard of the case, whether he was convicted or not. But by dragging on the charge, the case grew legs and turned into a racially-looking mess.

No shit it isn't a left/right argument. It's a common sense argument that shrill progressives are trying to FRAME as a left/right argument.

Now, you say a trial should have been held, originally. Well, there WAS a trial held, ultimately. The prosecutor and lead detective were second guessed by far more people than just you. An entire victim industry shouted them down, damned them as racists, slandered their intentions. Tell me, has anyone apologized to the original team for those slanders of decent public servants?

You and the race baiters say it should have been held in the first place. The verdict says otherwise. The verdict confirms the judgment of the original team on the case, and shows the hysterical race baiters to have been full of shit.

So we're done. Can you move along in your life? Vrede can't.

[O Really]

Consider this, guys - it doesn't matter whether Zimmerman was a zombie or for that matter whether Martin was black. What gave this its racial tinge was Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin based largely or in part by what he believed him to be. That is, one of the "black kids" that he believed had been rummaging around the neighborhood. Zimmerman could have been Asian, Hispanic, or even black himself, but if he's making assumptions based on the race he thinks the walker is, then his actions are racially motivated, at least in part. Again, the racial issues weren't really what was important. That's just what got the case tabloid attention.

[Cannonpointer]

Lie, again, unless one assumes that a skinny kid can cover all points of the compass. Trayvon appeared and GZ chose to engage in verbal confrontation rather than retreat, no doubt emboldened by his concealed gun.

Point ducked entirely. No surprise there, no surprise at all.

No, I answered your hysteria. You're just lying.

Several jurors initially voted for conviction and some have since stated the sense that GZ would lose a civil trial based on the lesser standard of "preponderance of evidence".

Oh, goody. More lies.

The choice to prosecute was not outrageous

The choice to prosecute was political, son. The original choice - the LAW ENFORCEMENT choice - was NOT to prosecute. So a political trial, held for political reasons, was held.

It failed.

Like you.

Go play.

and there's a good chance that he would have been convicted in a state without FL's funky, gunhugging law which, btw you poor uninformed thing, played a big part in the initial choice not to charge GZ.

Funky. Is that a legal term?

[Cannonpointer]

Consider this, guys - it doesn't matter whether Zimmerman was a zombie or for that matter whether Martin was black. What gave this its racial tinge was Zimmerman's suspicion of Martin based largely or in part by what he believed him to be.

Back it up or back away from it.

That is, one of the "black kids" that he believed had been rummaging around the neighborhood. Zimmerman could have been Asian, Hispanic, or even black himself, but if he's making assumptions based on the race he thinks the walker is, then his actions are racially motivated, at least in part. Again, the racial issues weren't really what was important. That's just what got the case tabloid attention.

That's a mighty big word. Whatcha got? That's REAL, I mean. Not living in your head, but living in the real world of time and space that can be observed and measured?

[Cannonpointer]

By the way, O Really, let us - for shits and giggles - grant your unproven premise. Let us say that Zimmerman gave a black teen more head-space than he'd have given, say, a Latino grandmother - or a black grandfather (and I believe he DID).

Are you against all profiling? Because, you do it, you know. It's built in. You profile. You have to. It's evolutionary. You would fail at life if you could not profile.

So, are you willing to argue that black teenagers are no more likely to commit a burglary than Latino grandmothers?

Or are you of the opinion that the profiling was warranted - not "evil" or "racist," but pragmatic and rational?

One more question: If he would have given a WHITE teen the same suspicion (and I honestly believe that he absolutely would have done - and rightly so), then he is not racist, but AGE-IST.

Are you willing to take a courageous stance against age-ism?

[Cannonpointer]

The girlfriend testified under oath that Trayvon told her he was at home - then hung up. That is direct evidence, and being exculpatory evidence from a hostile source (the state's own witness), a bona fide legal bombshell. It also established a time line, for forensic purposes.

Depending on the situation, "at home" to me can mean landing back in the US, crossing the border into NC, arriving in Hendersonville, entering my development, walking into my building, or sitting down on my couch. You've built a whole scenario upon a vague term. No one knows exactly where Trayvon was.

Okay, I laughed out loud. Good one! "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is." You're hilarious when you're desperate.

...Every killing case will inevitably leave only the killer to tell the tale. Nature of the beast. But we have confidence in the professionalism of forensic investigators, and no expense was spared on the public show trial of the now vindicated accused.

It's your own choice to rely exclusively on the forensic investigators who can't know what "at home" meant, while dismissing the professionalism of the prosecutors. Fine, but don't pretend that your choice and fact are automatically synonymous.

Show me "dismissing the professionalism of the prosecutors, son. That's YOU, for them not doing what YOU think they should do.

No, what's moronic is the notion propagated by white perpetual victims like you that blacks are treated as well as whites in our "justice" system.

Another lie. Never said it, don't believe it.

It's strange that you can post long, accurate lists about what America has done abroad but are so blind as to what it does right here. Do you actually think that a black shooter of a white teen that was where he was supposed to be and doing nothing wrong wouldn't have been immediately charged?

This presumes facts in dispute and is therefore a dishonest question. Trayvon is KNOWN to have left "home" (whatever the heck that means - good-gosh-golly!) and circled around on Zimm, and is alleged to have attacked him (wounds an witnesses bolstered the allegation). That's not "where he was supposed to be and doing nothing wrong," son. You disagree with the evidence - but you present your childish, foot-stomping version as fact.

The cops didn't cover up a murder, for crying out loud. People need to grow the fuck up.

That's your belief, child,

No, it's the jury's verdict, son. There was no "gun huggin law" that got him off. That is your FANTASY. He plead self defense. H e got off on SELF DEFENSE, plain and simple.

No "stand your Ground."

No "Guns equal Jesus!"

Just S E L F D E F E N S E. He beat the rap on self defense. Stop screeching that lie.

[Cannonpointer]

Lie, again. You have never explained how Trayvon managed to cut off all possible avenues of retreat.

Zimm merely FOLLOWED the kid, at a distance, while talking on his cell to police. The kid WAYLAID Zimm, surreptitiously encircling him and blocking his path and CLOSING the distance which zimm had maintained in his observation and reporting. Tray's motive is blood obvious to grownups.

Your pretense that the kid was gonna let zimm walk away from this confrontation is yours alone to defend. I sure as hell am not gonna defend it by pretending that zimm had a duty to figure out some ALTERNATE retreat from the confrontation, on the fly, while watching his back. No way he was gonna outrun the athlete. The kid blocked Zimm's retreat, and your complain is that zimm didn't find another one? Racist.

Trayvon made it home (whatever in the heck "home" means, by gosh by golly). He LEFT home (whatever in the heck "home" means, by gosh by golly). He confronted the older man and ended up chatting with Jesus. Bad day at the office for the sport fighter, son.

and there's a good chance that he would have been convicted in a state without FL's funky, gunhugging law which, btw you poor uninformed thing, played a big part in the initial choice not to charge GZ.

No, dumbass. There was no such law invoked.

ZIMMERMAN PLEADED NOT GUILTY FOR REASON OF SELF DEFENSE - FULL STOP. There is an identical plea in all 50 states. The qualifications for a win on that plea are equally identical - you gotta prove you had a reasonable fear for your life.

There was no stand your ground law involved in the case - EVER.

[Cannonpointer]

...Then he got shot, in self defense...

Only if one believes that GZ very minor injuries warranted the use of deadly force.

The "minor injuries" were not what warranted deadly force. Even grave injury does not.

A rational fear for one's life warrants deadly force. And that is what the jury found Zimm to have had - a reasonable fear for his life.

Will you please detail to what extent Zimm SHOULD have waited to be injured before defending himself? Should he have waited for a broken bone - would that have been enough? Or need he have waited for a crushed skull?

[Cannonpointer]

Here's a case of a black man shooting a RETARDED white guy in Arizona recently.

No charges filed.

http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/2012/0 ... msXLRMo5y0

RACIST! RACIST! RACIST!

[Cannonpointer]

That's your belief, child, but one can reasonably say then that it's abysmal, gunhugging FL law that covered up a murder. And, at least one investigator thought GZ should have been charged from the get-go, but you keep insisting on ignoring that inconvenient fact.

Dude, I have ignored half of your made up lies - you make em up faster than a mortal man can address them.

You lied that the SYG law was what got zimm off. He plead regular old self defense.

Here is the part of the jury instruction that had to do with SYG:

"If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

So, what is this "gunhugging" law you pretend got zimm off?

SELF DEFENSE. That was his plea, and that was what got him off, son: A reasonable fear for his life or great bodily injury. The jury found that he was assaulted an reasonably feared for his life or great bodily injury. You don't have to like it, son - but you don't get your own set of facts. There is nothing "gun hugging" about those instructions.

[Cannonpointer]

...that is what the jury found Zimm to have had - a reasonable fear for his life...

Same lie, again. The jury found that there was not enough evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt, nothing more. What's your malfunction - poor civics education, illiteracy, pathologic dishonesty, brittle ego, or low IQ?

False, retard. There was a dead body - no one denied there was a dead body. Zimm killed Trayvon. He admitted it. There's your murder, right there on a platter. No way out, without an affirmative defense.

Zimm presented an AFFIRMATIVE defense. They had to believe the defense or convict. The acquitted.

[Cannonpointer]

Here's a case of a black man shooting a RETARDED white guy in Arizona recently.

No charges filed.

http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/2012/0 ... msXLRMo5y0

RACIST! RACIST! RACIST!

First, there is video showing the white guy's unprovoked attack on the black man. So, there's no comparison to a case where we don't know who first got physical.

But, what makes you truly stupid and an utterly incompetent researcher is that the black man was charged:

Phoenix Taco Bell shooting suspect indicted

IDIOT! IDIOT! IDIOT!

Now, run away from your hilarious flub, you always do.

No, no no! Not good enough! HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED AND CHARGED RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX! RACISM!

Also, if he is acquitted, RACISM!

[Cannonpointer]

...Juror B29, a 36-year-old Puerto Rican mother of eight children, who was living in Chicago at the time of the shooting, was interviewed about the trial on July 25. She said, "George Zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from God. And at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with." She said that as the jury began deliberations, she wanted to convict Zimmerman of second-degree murder, and she held to her position that Zimmerman should be found guilty even after all the other jurors had decided to find him not guilty. However, she said that after nine hours of deliberations, she realized that there was not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman under Florida law: "As the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty....you can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty." The juror said that she felt like she owed Martin's parents an apology because she felt she had let them down.

What's your malfunction, Cannonpointer - poor civics education, illiteracy, pathologic dishonesty, brittle ego, or low IQ?[/color]

Sorry, son, but you already called me a racist about 50 fucking times. You cannot POSSIBLY expect me to take the word of a Puerto Rican. She's lying.

Smiley face emoticon.

[O Really]

You and the race baiters say it should have been held in the first place. The verdict says otherwise. The verdict confirms the judgment of the original team on the case, and shows the hysterical race baiters to have been full of shit.

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You've just had a great idea. Why have trials at all? Let's just take the first cop's opinion on it and move on Man, what a savings of time and money. Cop shows up, says, "looks like self defense to me" and everybody goes home. Nobody has to be called to jury duty. Eliminate a lot of money paying those over-priced prosecutors and defense lawyers. Just let the cops call it. What could possibly go wrong with that?