Guns, race, religion, terror, wingnut thread

[O Really]

I know they wanted to avoid a Davidian/Waco type mess, but I think LEO should have been more aggressive in getting their sorry asses off the property. Seemed a good idea at the time to just close them off in a "seige" type thing until they starved or froze, but in a time when people are getting killed/jailed for waving a cell phone or can of beer at a cop, I'm pretty sure somebody walking around on federal land waving his rifle in the general direction of the cops must be guilty of something.

[Vrede too]

Even a one time, announced, unarmed approach to demand that the Yeehawdis leave, along with preventing "visitors", would have made things clearer for the jurors. But, white rightwingers don't get treated that way.

[Vrede too]

Lots of folks are making the comparison to the way that the unarmed, nonviolent Native American and allied water protectors are being subjected to uber-violence and arrests by the ND LEOs at Standing Rock.

[rstrong]

Lots of folks are making the comparison to the way that the unarmed, nonviolent Native American and allied water protectors are being subjected to uber-violence and arrests by the ND LEOs at Standing Rock.

I see your point, but it's not an entirely fair comparison.

Imagine if the Yeehawdis had taken over the homes of average citizens. Or blocked an expressway that average citizens use to commute. Or blocked a business's distribution center or truck fleet. Those affected would rightly demand that the government Do Something Right Now, and not simply wait them out.

But Yeehawdis took over a government property, a park office, having little to no effect on the average citizen or business. The government could take its time dealing with them. It could simply wait them out.

The pipeline protests are the former case, not the latter. There's private interests at stake. Sure, it's business interests, but the basic principle is the same for average citizens.

[Vrede too]

That is indeed an argument for arrests - polluting business matters more than public facilities here - but it doesn't justify the ND LEOs' uber-violence, something the Yeehawdis were never subjected to other than a single offsite incident.

[Vrede too]

When and if fascism comes to America it will not be labeled "made in Germany"; it will not be marked with a swastika; it will not even be called fascism; it will be called, of course, "Americanism."
-- Halford Edward Luccock, prominent American Methodist minister, 1938

Safety Pins in Solidarity: The Powerful Fashion Statement You’re Seeing Everywhere

Forget wearing your heart, figuratively, on your sleeve when you can wear a safety pin, literally, on your shirt.

After the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union this summer — or what is referred to colloquially as Brexit — many opposed to the vote there started wearing safety pins on their clothing. The Brexit vote was widely thought of throughout Europe as an anti-immigration and anti-minority movement, and hate crimes against people of color spiked in the days following the vote. Those who did not share these sentiments started wearing safety pins on their clothing as a sign of solidarity with immigrants and minorities — and a way to visually signal to others that they were, physically, not a threat.

Following the election of Republican nominee Donald J. Trump on Tuesday, Nov. 8, to the office of the presidency, many in the United States are now doing the same and encouraging others to spread the word, bringing this repudiation of rhetoric targeting religious and racial minorities across the pond. With reports of hate crimes and KKK rallies, many feel that publicly identifying themselves as an ally against such violence is crucial....

Chris Weitz (Rogue One: A Star Wars Story screenwriter)
Verified account
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Star Wars against hate. Spread it.

[Mr.B]

BREAKING NEWS:

Chicago Cubs are being forced to give up their World Series title (API, UPI, MSNBC. CNN, FOX, ABC, CBS, MLB)

Cleveland Indians fans have rioted across the country in protest of the 2016 World Series.
Despite knowing the rules of the game prior to competing, they were unhappy they lost and demanded the outcome to be changed.
They can be heard chanting #NotOurWorldSeriesChampion all across America.
Even though the Cubs won 4 games and the Indians only won 3, both teams scored 27 total runs throughout all 7 games,
the Indians want to be declared co-champions.

When questioned, Commissioner Manfred stated, "We felt as though it was the right thing to do for the nation.
What kind of example would Major League Baseball be setting if we expected the adults who play this game, and their fans, to gracefully accept defeat? Instead of creating a bigger divide between the Cubs and Indians, MLB is confident that the Cubs will gladly share their victory with the Indians."

[rstrong]

We get it, Mr.B. You have the IQ and the attention span of a goldfish. You're utterly incapable of remembering that the protesters are doing exactly what your candidate was calling for after the last election, let alone last week.... even against a candidate who *didn't* glorify racism and misogyny.

Your stupidity, racism and misogyny are duly noted.

[Mr.B]

Official Rules for Posting in Blue Ridge Debate.

By order of the two top posters in these threads; Vrede too and rstrong ---

Let it be known ---

§ All posts must be of your opinion, regardless whether they be typed text or copy & pastes
§ All posts must be of the utmost absolute truth; if 'lies' are already embedded in any copy and pastes, poster is responsible to correct or state such is a lie. We will decide if the post meets our strict criteria
§ Any photos, memes, or typed text that are copy and pastes are assumed to be your belief that the material contained in them is the absolute truth
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The message in them must be labeled as factual information
§ Failure to abide by these rules will result in our coming totally unglued and pissing our pants and calling you every name we can dream of. We will be constantly updating our hateful phrases and names in order to better serve our giant egos and impress our fellow forum members

[bannination]

Official Rules for Posting in Blue Ridge Debate.

By order of the two top posters in these threads; Vrede too and rstrong ---

Let it be known ---

§ All posts must be of your opinion, regardless whether they be typed text or copy & pastes
§ All posts must be of the utmost absolute truth; if 'lies' are already embedded in any copy and pastes, poster is responsible to correct or state such is a lie. We will decide if the post meets our strict criteria
§ Any photos, memes, or typed text that are copy and pastes are assumed to be your belief that the material contained in them is the absolute truth
§ NO photos or memes, regardless of source, are to be construed as humor, for entertainment only, or as a "joke"
The message in them must be labeled as factual information
§ Failure to abide by these rules will result in our coming totally unglued and pissing our pants and calling you every name we can dream of. We will be constantly updating our hateful phrases and names in order to better serve our giant egos and impress our fellow forum members

You're a special case with posting jokes. Your reality is so bent that it's hard to tell when you're posting a joke or being serious. You can't blame anyone for blaming you for posting a "joke" when you weren't being serious, well, anyone but yourself.

There is a "just for fun" thread....

[Mr.B]

"You're a special case with posting jokes. Your reality is so bent that it's hard to tell when you're posting a joke or being serious. You can't blame anyone for blaming you for posting a "joke" when you weren't being serious, well, anyone but yourself."
Thank you for the kind words! That's my point...the two who's names I won't mention ain't got sense enough to discern either; everything has to be "dead serious" in nature, and if it's a pun directed at their political favorite or current social "subject", the ship hits the fan!

There is a "just for fun" thread....
They don't what that means.
My reality is not bent; I don't sweat the small stuff, I don't get my step-ins in a wad over the least little turn of events.

I enjoy your forum, I enjoy cutting up and joking around. I laugh at the clowns who think they're insulting me....but I cling to my religious beliefs and will not compromise them for anybody.

[rstrong]

Congratulations, Dubya. Now we do. Both parties.

[JTA]

Gender equal snow plowing:

http://www.thelocal.se/20161112/stockho ... w-clearing

I can't tell if this is satire or not to be honest, but I think that's why I also find it so ridiculous and funny.

[Vrede too]

"prioritises cleaning pavements and cycle lanes over roads" seems like a policy choice that might be made regardless of the "gender-equal" justification, and the article says that it "did not even appear to have even been followed", anyhow.

Maybe this is the problem:

Stockholm had its snowiest November day in 111 years

Noticed this:

Swedish Nazi group hails Trump in largest demo yet
Sweden’s neo-Nazi Nordic Resistance Movement (NMR) mounted the biggest march in its history on Saturday, with its leadership saying the election of Donald Trump in the US marked the start of a world revolution.

[JTA]

Yeah, it seems like it didn't play a role in the failure to clear the streets. Regardless, "gender equal snow plowing" is one the most ridiculous things ive ever heard of. Just plow the fucking streets and remove snow from the sidewalks.

[Vrede too]

It's an unfortunate moniker. However, I could see government choosing to prioritize the "women people who are more likely to use pavements, cycle paths, and public transport", regardless of gender.

... remove snow from the sidewalks.

Usually not done here, left to homeowners and businesses with little consequence for shirking. Bike lanes are almost never done here, they're where they put the road snow.

[JTA]

It's an unfortunate moniker. However, I could see government choosing to prioritize the "women people who are more likely to use pavements, cycle paths, and public transport", regardless of gender.

... remove snow from the sidewalks.

Usually not done here, left to homeowners and businesses with little consequence for shirking. Bike lanes are almost never done here, they're where they put the road snow.

Agreed.

[Vrede too]

Trump puts flame-throwing outsider on the inside

... amplifying a bigoted fringe ...

... became one of the leading outlets of the so-called alt-right — a movement often associated with far-right efforts to preserve "white identity," oppose multiculturalism and defend "Western values."

The site specializes in button-pushing, traffic-trolling headlines, including one that called conservative commentator Bill Kristol a "Republican spoiler, renegade Jew." Others asked, "Would you rather your child had feminism or cancer?" and "Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy."

Bannon has been personally accused of prejudice. His ex-wife said in court papers obtained by The Associated Press that Bannon made anti-Semitic remarks when the two battled over sending their daughters to private school nearly a decade ago. In a sworn court declaration following their divorce, Mary Louise Piccard said her ex-husband had objected to sending their twin daughters to an elite Los Angeles academy because he "didn't want the girls going to school with Jews."

... A Harvard MBA, Bannon began his career as a Goldman Sachs investment banker. He later capitalized on an entertainment industry deal that left him with a share of "Seinfeld" royalties, founded the Government Accountability Institute to ferret out "crony capitalism" and government corruption, and created a number of his own films, including paeans to former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the tea party movement and Ronald Reagan.

BreitLiarbart's founder, the late Andrew Breitbart, once admiringly described Bannon as the Leni Riefenstahl of the tea party movement, according to a Bloomberg Businessweek profile. Riefenstahl was a filmmaker vilified after World War II for her propaganda pieces about Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany....

Anti-Discrimination, Muslim (and Jewish) Groups Decry Trump's Newly Appointed Chief Strategist

... In an announcement on Sunday, Trump named BreitLiarbart News executive Stephen Bannon as chief strategist and senior counselor to the president....

In a quick response, the Southern Poverty Law Center said Bannon turned his news website into “a white ethno-nationalist propaganda mill,” and called on the President-elect to change his mind.

“Trump should rescind this hire. In his victory speech, Trump said he intended to be president for 'all Americans.' Bannon should go,” the group said in a tweet.

The Anti-Defamation League also spoke out against Bannon.

“It is a sad day when a man who presided over the premier website of the ‘alt-right’ — a loose-knit group of white nationalists and unabashed anti-Semites and racists — is slated to be a senior staff member in the ‘people’s house,'” ADL head Jonathan Greenblatt said in a statement.

"We call on President-elect Trump to appoint and nominate Americans committed to the well-being of all our country's people."

Meanwhile, the Council on American-Islamic Relations accused Bannon of promoting "misogynistic and racist stories targeting women, people of color and immigrants," and called the newly appointed White House chief strategist an "anti-Muslim conspiracy theorist and White nationalist alt-right extremist."

"The appointment of Stephen Bannon as a top Trump administration strategist sends the disturbing message that anti-Muslim conspiracy theories and White nationalist ideology will be welcome in the White House," CAIR’s executive director, Nihad Awad, said in a statement. "We urge President-elect Trump to reconsider this ill-advised appointment if he truly seeks to unite Americans."

[Mr.B]

Will you please go put on some dry pants?

I'm having to mop up the mess you're making on my desk...

[rstrong]

Will you please go put on some dry pants?

I'm having to mop up the mess you're making on my desk...

Says the guy in constant hysteria over racial minorities and gays and other denominations of Christianity standing up for civil rights.