The Religion Thread

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In other news........

Shocked, shocked I say.....

[JTA]

I find it fascinating that Christians believe that after they die, they will go to "heaven" and reside in the "kingdom of God" forever. Logically, you'd think this was a goal to aspire to.....to want to experience as soon as possible. But they've given themselves an out by pronouncing suicide a sin. On the other hand, radical Islamists seem to be seeing this conundrum logically, wishing for the chance to be a martyr. I myself think that this right here, right now, is all there is. It's a real dilemma for us all.

I'm fascinated by that as well. There seem to be so many ways out of that "out".... nothing says you can't do extremely dangerous things, and if you die, it's not suicide. Everything is essentially a risk, you know you have a risk of getting in a car and someone crashing into you. So either risky things don't count, or Christians aren't taking this suicide thing seriously enough.

I've also wondered why do Christians have kids? That seems like an evil thing to do considering that if they don't find God on their own, they get to burn in hell for eternity. Then there is that whole judging by the fruit thing.... maybe the parents get a one way trip to hell if their kids aren't Christian.... who knows, but it's definitely weird.

Time to axe the mission trip to small town America and head on out to Western Iraq where the real saving needs to be done.

[JTA]

I find it fascinating that Christians believe that after they die, they will go to "heaven" and reside in the "kingdom of God" forever. Logically, you'd think this was a goal to aspire to.....to want to experience as soon as possible. But they've given themselves an out by pronouncing suicide a sin. On the other hand, radical Islamists seem to be seeing this conundrum logically, wishing for the chance to be a martyr. I myself think that this right here, right now, is all there is. It's a real dilemma for us all.

The martyrdom thing seems to have lost the popularity it once had once life became really cozy here on earth.

[neoplacebo]

I find it fascinating that Christians believe that after they die, they will go to "heaven" and reside in the "kingdom of God" forever. Logically, you'd think this was a goal to aspire to.....to want to experience as soon as possible. But they've given themselves an out by pronouncing suicide a sin. On the other hand, radical Islamists seem to be seeing this conundrum logically, wishing for the chance to be a martyr. I myself think that this right here, right now, is all there is. It's a real dilemma for us all.

The martyrdom thing seems to have lost the popularity it once had once life became really cozy here on earth.

Well, religion has always been important to those that life has taken a low flight with. It's basically all they have. You can bet your ass that Fracklin Graham won't be renouncing his faith any time soon, though.

[Mr.B]

You gotta be kidding me.....right?


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[Mr.B]

Any time an atheist claims to be offended by the sight of anything religious, other members of this "poor victim" group automatically believe they're offended too.....

Of course, we all know how they want to destroy any notion of God in the same manner that Christians want to have the freedom to worship as they please.

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Any time an atheist claims to be offended by the sight of anything religious, other members of this "poor victim" group automatically believe they're offended too.....

Of course, we all know how they want to destroy any notion of God in the same manner that Christians want to have the freedom to worship as they please.

I disagree, I think atheists and *SANE* Christians want to keep the separation of church and state. A lot of Christians including you Mr. B. don't care about the freedom to worship as you please (you already have that), you want to force your beliefs into law for the rest of us.

We've seen what happens when Christians come into power. -- It's not pretty, I think we've all learned out lessons. - Hitler, Crusades, etc. Just say NO.

Besides, which God? You guys eventually destroy them yourselves. Think of how many God's have already came and gone. Jesus of 100 years ago isn't the same Jesus everyone talks about now.

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<actually> Baptists used to be among the leaders of separation of church and state. No, I don't feel like looking up a cite. Do it yourself. It's there.

[Mr.B]

"A lot of Christians including you Mr. B. don't care about the freedom to worship as you please (you already have that), you want to force your beliefs into law for the rest of us."
Including me? Citation?..... or am I guilty only by association?

"We've seen what happens when Christians come into power. -- It's not pretty, I think we've all learned our lessons. - Hitler, Crusades, etc."
Shall I sound like the broken record again?....."Just because one calls himself a Christian......"

"Besides, which God? You guys eventually destroy them yourselves.....Think of how many God's have already came and gone."
There are numerous 'gods'; whatever you find more important in your life (wealth, cars, fame, etc.) is your god....and yes, those are easy to destroy along with the numerous statues and assorted trinkets that have gone by the wayside. There is one God; one which we cannot destroy.

"Jesus of 100 years ago isn't the same Jesus everyone talks about now."
Not everyone. It depends on 'who' is talking about Him; and, believe it or not, He is the same Jesus.

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"A lot of Christians including you Mr. B. don't care about the freedom to worship as you please (you already have that), you want to force your beliefs into law for the rest of us."
Including me? Citation?..... or am I guilty only by association?

For you, citation would be the homophobic thread. Otherwise http://www.freep.com/article/20140514/N ... y-marriage

"We've seen what happens when Christians come into power. -- It's not pretty, I think we've all learned our lessons. - Hitler, Crusades, etc."
Shall I sound like the broken record again?....."Just because one calls himself a Christian......"

yeah yeah, just because I say I'm an atheist doesn't mean I'm an atheist.

"Besides, which God? You guys eventually destroy them yourselves.....Think of how many God's have already came and gone."
There are numerous 'gods'; whatever you find more important in your life (wealth, cars, fame, etc.) is your god....and yes, those are easy to destroy along with the numerous statues and assorted trinkets that have gone by the wayside. There is one God; one which we cannot destroy.

Yes, FSM is the only one and true God. Well, him and Allah.

"Jesus of 100 years ago isn't the same Jesus everyone talks about now."
Not everyone. It depends on 'who' is talking about Him; and, believe it or not, He is the same Jesus.

Sure does, because everyone is worshiping their own God. A god that totally agrees with him or her.

[Mr.B]

"yeah yeah, just because I say I'm an atheist doesn't mean I'm an atheist."

No, you fulfill your station in life very well.

Claiming to being a Christian is more than just a name to place on oneself; you know that.

The only similarity in an atheist and a Christian is in the fact they're both human; with human faults and failures. What one does about those faults and failures defines what's in their hearts.

My comments in the Homophobic thread defines my personal and religious beliefs concerning the sin of homosexuality as defined in the Bible.

You will find, if you go back and read, that I've never said I hate a homosexual; I do hate their sin that Vrede says I'm obsessed with.

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"yeah yeah, just because I say I'm an atheist doesn't mean I'm an atheist."

No, you fulfill your station in life very well.

Claiming to being a Christian is more than just a name to place on oneself; you know that.

The only similarity in an atheist and a Christian is in the fact they're both human; with human faults and failures. What one does about those faults and failures defines what's in their hearts.

My comments in the Homophobic thread defines my personal and religious beliefs concerning the sin of homosexuality as defined in the Bible.

You will find, if you go back and read, that I've never said I hate a homosexual; I do hate their sin that Vrede says I'm obsessed with.

So you would allow gays to marry?

[Mr.B]

"So you would allow gays to marry?"

That's not my decision.

My decision, <sigh> as stated, is that homosexuality is a perversion. Why, in the eyes of the law, should one perversion be overlooked when others are not?

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"So you would allow gays to marry?"

That's not my decision.

My decision, <sigh> as stated, is that homosexuality is a perversion. Why, in the eyes of the law, should one perversion be overlooked when others are not?

Well there you go, perfect example of someone that wants their beliefs codified in law for the rest of us. Just like I originally said.

[Mr.B]

"....you want to force your beliefs into law for the rest of us"
"Well there you go, perfect example of someone that wants their beliefs codified in law for the rest of us. Just like I originally said."

Let's look at that scenario a little closer....
You say that (I, we) Christians "want to force our beliefs into law for the rest of us".... if (I, we) believe that homosexuality is a perversion, why should those who participate in these perversions want to force their lifestyles into laws for the rest of us?

Homosexuality used to be illegal; there are still laws against adultery, prostitution, child-sex, bestiality, etc.; should those laws be deemed unconstitutional one day in the name of that "pursuit of happiness" thingy?

You are correct when you say "everyone is worshipping their own god; a god that totally agrees with him or her"; the God-haters are aware what they're doing is wrong in the eyes of society and their Creator; they chose their lusts as their god; they and their supporters want everyone to agree with them.

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"....you want to force your beliefs into law for the rest of us"
"Well there you go, perfect example of someone that wants their beliefs codified in law for the rest of us. Just like I originally said."

Let's look at that scenario a little closer....
You say that (I, we) Christians "want to force our beliefs into law for the rest of us".... if (I, we) believe that homosexuality is a perversion, why should those who participate in these perversions want to force their lifestyles into laws for the rest of us?

Homosexuality used to be illegal; there are still laws against adultery, prostitution, child-sex, bestiality, etc.; should those laws be deemed unconstitutional one day in the name of that "pursuit of happiness" thingy?

That's a dumb argument, there is this little thing called consent that makes a huge difference here. That's why there is a distinction from pedophilia. Sorry you can't see that.

Even worse they aren't forcing you to be gay, in fact it is not changing your life in the slightest. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with you personally.

If we followed every rule that religious people thought were enforced we still wouldn't be able to get a haircut without preacher permission. No on wants to life in a world like that again.

[Mr.B]

"That's a dumb argument, there is this little thing called consent that makes a huge difference here....Sorry you can't see that."
Ain't that what I said?...."the God-haters are aware what they're doing is wrong in the eyes of society and their Creator; they chose their lusts as their god;"

"Even worse they aren't forcing you to be gay, in fact it is not changing your life in the slightest. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with you personally."
As a supporter of homosexuality, what does it have to do with you; personally? No, they're not forcing me to be gay, but your argument was that Christians want to force their beliefs into law, whereas my argument is that "gays" want to force their perversions into law.....did you miss that? Pay attention.

"If we followed every rule that religious people thought were enforced we still wouldn't be able to get a haircut without preacher permission. No on wants to life in a world like that again."
Uhhhh....what? I thought you knew that we weren't living under OT Jewish Law...or Sharia...

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Ain't that what I said?...."the God-haters are aware what they're doing is wrong in the eyes of society and their Creator; they chose their lusts as their god;"

No, that's definitely not what you said, and what you said here makes even less sense.

As a supporter of homosexuality, what does it have to do with you; personally? No, they're not forcing me to be gay, but your argument was that Christians want to force their beliefs into law, whereas my argument is that "gays" want to force their perversions into law.....did you miss that? Pay attention.

However in reality they're not forcing anything on you, they just want the same rights as you have. Treating a human as a lesser being than yourself should be a sin. (In fact it probably is, I'm sure it's just ignored in this case.)

Uhhhh....what? I thought you knew that we weren't living under OT Jewish Law...or Sharia...

Not everyone thinks that. Are you prepared to live under Jewish or Muslim laws? That's the kinda crap you're starting.

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It is not uncommon for the devout to speak in tongues now and then. I have to go handle / fondle / worship these snakes. Later.

[Mr.B]

"However in reality they're not forcing anything on you, they just want the same rights as you have."
Of course, as a human, they have rights; even to be deviates. Your argument was that Christians want Biblical beliefs made into laws everyone has to follow; whereas I compared legalizing perversion to be no different.

"Treating a human as a lesser being than yourself should be a sin. (In fact it probably is, I'm sure it's just ignored in this case.)"
It may very well be so, but a homosexual is a sinner that puts their lusts before God."

"Not everyone thinks that."
Who, for instance?
"Are you prepared to live under Jewish or Muslim laws? That's the kinda crap you're starting."
And what body of lawmakers are considering those laws? I'm no lawmaker, so I'm not starting anything. This is an opinion/debate forum, and I'm expressing my opinion on homosexuality vs. religion.

If Christians had their way, perversion would still be illegal; if atheists had their way, anything to do with God or the Bible would be done away with and "if it feels good, do it" would be law.....so it appears we're at an impasse.