2016 Elections

[Seth Milner]

Seth Milner lite, you got this off of Facebook didn't you?

Yes. Those folks can find some of the funniest, stupidest, prettiest, memes anywhere.
Finding these memes is more fun than the time I went skinny-dipping with the Pittman sisters.

[JTA]

I've been seeing it make rounds

[rstrong]

A sideshow at the debate:

Hofstra University charged the media $200 each to use the Wi-Fi. Journalists were given an ultimatum: use their own hotspot and get tossed from the debate site. Event staff used a $2,000 device to actively scan for hotspots and other ad-hoc Wi-Fi networks.

Naturally, the official Wi-Fi went down.

[billy.pilgrim]

Seth Milner lite, you got this off of Facebook didn't you?

"It"

Now we have solid proof that the orangatan has only file one tax return in his life

[Seth Milner]

Now we have solid proof that the orangatan has only file one tax return in his life

In his own words, "that's being smart". No wonder he's constantly audited by the IRS.

Know what would be funny? He gets elected; the IRS comes in the middle of the night and arrests him for tax evasion!

[billy.pilgrim]

Now we have solid proof that the orangatan has only file one tax return in his life

In his own words, "that's being smart". No wonder he's constantly audited by the IRS.

Know what would be funny? He gets elected; the IRS comes in the middle of the night and arrests him for tax evasion!

Didn't that happen to Spiro

[Seth Milner]

It sure enough did! I had forgotten about that!

Spiro Agnew , Vice-President (R-MD) to Richard Nixon was convicted of tax fraud stemming from bribery charges in Maryland and forced to resign. Gerald R. Ford (R-MI)(1973) was nominated by Nixon and replaced Agnew as Vice President
(the first person appointed to the Vice Presidency under the terms of the 25th Amendment.)

In 1973, Agnew was investigated by the United States Attorney for the District of Maryland on charges of extortion, tax fraud, bribery, and conspiracy. He was charged with having accepted bribes totaling more than $100,000 while holding office as Baltimore County Executive, Governor of Maryland, and Vice President. On October 10 that same year, Agnew was allowed to plead no contest to a single charge that he had failed to report $29,500 of income received in 1967, with the condition that he resign the office of Vice President.

[Seth Milner]

I deleted this post. The meme disappeared leaving only my response. One is no good without the other.

[rstrong]

In his own words, "that's being smart". No wonder he's constantly audited by the IRS.

Not that he's actually under audit.

- He's declined to provide the IRS’ formal notice of audit to The Associated Press and other news outlets.

- Even if he were under audit, that doesn't stop him from releasing his tax returns.

- Nor would it stop him from releasing his tax returns for earlier years.

It's just another lie for the inbreds. Likely his foreign investments and debts make for some massive conflicts of interest.

[Seth Milner]

I've never really understood the reasoning behind a candidate revealing his tax returns.
It's not mine or anyone else's business how much money someone has.

If there was a conflict of interest between a public office and the candidate's business interests,
that information should be revealed, not his net/gross worth.

[O Really]

If there was a conflict of interest between a public office and the candidate's business interests,
that information should be revealed, not his net/gross worth.

How would that occur? Voluntary self-disclosure? Sure, that would work. We all know all politicians are honest and deep into transparency, don't we? But anyway, tax returns don't show net worth, they show income and claimed expenses/deductions.

[rstrong]

I've never really understood the reasoning behind a candidate revealing his tax returns.
It's not mine or anyone else's business how much money someone has.

If there was a conflict of interest between a public office and the candidate's business interests,
that information should be revealed, not his net/gross worth.

It is indeed about his business interests. For example he no longer does business with many US banks. Instead he "has steadied and rebuilt his financial empire with a heavy reliance on capital from Russia" according to a lawsuit uncovered by the New York Times. This is someone who has business holdings all over the world.

That makes for some massive conflicts of interest. He can't make policy without affecting his business holdings at home or abroad. Foreign leaders could find ways to use Trump’s holdings as leverage to influence federal policy. (Blocking permits, etc.) His business partnerships with Russian investors and his development projects in Russia would be in conflict with US-led sanctions against Russia over Crimea. This is someone who openly BRAGS - while running for President yet - about using business dealings and money to bribe government officials.

Where conflicts are found, the standard practice is to place those business holdings in a "blind trust" - have a independent party, usually a respected accounting or law firm, run the business while the candidate is in office. Trump has refused to do that. Or to be more typically sleazy about it, he's declared that the "blind trust" would be run by his kids.

How much money he has is fodder for comedians. Who he has deals with, who he owes money to and who can hold his holdings hostage, is a serious concern.

[Seth Milner]

But anyway, tax returns don't show net worth, they show income and claimed expenses/deductions.

Why would that be any of my business? Or anyone else's?

[rstrong]

But anyway, tax returns don't show net worth, they show income and claimed expenses/deductions.

Why would that be any of my business? Or anyone else's?

That'd be because he's being elected to lead the country. It's often the best measure of honesty you'll find.

And again, because those income and expenses details would show any conflicts of interest. Who he's beholden to, who can "lean on him" through his business holdings, how his foreign and domestic policies would affect his holdings, etc..

[Seth Milner]

I've never really understood the reasoning behind a candidate revealing his tax returns.
It's not mine or anyone else's business how much money someone has.

If there was a conflict of interest between a public office and the candidate's business interests,
that information should be revealed, not his net/gross worth.

It is indeed about his business interests. For example he no longer does business with many US banks. Instead he "has steadied and rebuilt his financial empire with a heavy reliance on capital from Russia" according to a lawsuit uncovered by the New York Times. This is someone who has business holdings all over the world.

That makes for some massive conflicts of interest. He can't make policy without affecting his business holdings at home or abroad. Foreign leaders could find ways to use Trump’s holdings as leverage to influence federal policy. (Blocking permits, etc.) His business partnerships with Russian investors and his development projects in Russia would be in conflict with US-led sanctions against Russia over Crimea. This is someone who openly BRAGS - while running for President yet - about using business dealings and money to bribe government officials.

Where conflicts are found, the standard practice is to place those business holdings in a "blind trust" - have a independent party, usually a respected accounting or law firm, run the business while the candidate is in office. Trump has refused to do that. Or to be more typically sleazy about it, he's declared that the "blind trust" would be run by his kids.

How much money he has is fodder for comedians. Who he has deals with, who he owes money to and who can hold his holdings hostage, is a serious concern.

I didn't mention Trump by name. I said "a candidate", (see above) as in any candidate. I wasn't asking for your biased opinion on one particular candidate, but since you did, now give us the low-down on Hillary Clinton's underhandedness.

[rstrong]

I didn't mention Trump by name. I said "a candidate", (see above) as in any candidate. I wasn't asking for your biased opinion on one particular candidate, but since you did, now give us the low-down on Hillary Clinton's underhandedness.

Hillary has released her tax returns. Every candidate in the last 40 years has released their tax returns. Heck, a few months back even TRUMP was demanding that everyone release their tax returns.

Calling it a "biased opinion on one particular candidate" is the sort of sleazy dishonestly we expect from you.

EDIT: Christ. I did it a second time in a couple years. Hit edit instead of quote. Sorry, Seth.

EDIT: Oh. I see either you fixed it already or a long-shot for repairing it worked.

[rstrong]

Feb 2015: Donald Trump says that would “certainly” release his tax returns if he ran for president, saying he had “no objection” to the idea.

Feb 2016: Trump tells “Face the Nation” that he would release his tax returns in “three, four months.”

[Vrede too]

Some historical context: The practice of releasing tax returns was started by Mitten's daddy, George Romney, nearly half a century ago. Whether Seth Milner likes it or not it's come to be expected by the American people and they have good reasons for doing so including assessing foreign and domestic conflicts of interest, shady business practices, public claims of wealth and charitable giving, unpatriotic tax avoidance, the possibility of blackmail and probably some things I'm forgetting at the moment.

rstrong, I've always just back arrowed the pages to find the original. It's a pain to recreate the formatting but repair has never been a long-shot for me.

[Seth Milner]

Feb 2015: Donald Trump says that would “certainly” release his tax returns if he ran for president, saying he had “no objection” to the idea.

Feb 2016: Trump tells “Face the Nation” that he would release his tax returns in “three, four months.”

He's a liar.

[Seth Milner]

Some historical context: The practice of releasing tax returns was started by Mitten's daddy, George Romney, nearly half a century ago.
I know that. My question was what was/is the purpose. rstrong explained it pretty well.

Whether Seth Milner likes it or not
Whether Seth Milner likes it or not is tough toooky. I only asked a question.

it's come to be expected by the American people and they have good reasons for doing so including assessing foreign and domestic conflicts of interest, shady business practices, public claims of wealth and charitable giving, unpatriotic tax avoidance, the possibility of blackmail and probably some things I'm forgetting at the moment.
...and Trump wishes America would forget.