Trump

[O Really]

I always want to ask them, "were you lying then, or are you lying now?" There are no other choices.

[billy.pilgrim]

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/30 ... s-ornament

He is selling $149.00 christmas ornaments

[Vrede too]

Grab Your Wallet: 25 Stores Hit by the Trump Boycott

Companies to Boycott

[O Really]

I've got no problem with a good boycott, and I have my own list of companies I don't patronize for some political or personal reason, but I don't see this one. Here's why - Trump was the same asshole before he was a Presidential candidate that he is now. And Trump merchandise is just a tiny part of the inventory at Nordstrom's or Amazon or wherever. I think the same or better effect could be gotten just by not buying the Trump stuff. If nobody buys it, they'll quit selling it. (Or discount it down to a big pile on the close-out display, which would be as much fun to see). Those who decided to mix their politics with their merchandise, however, are another story. I tend not to buy at places that support civil rights violations/violators, have egregious employment practices, etc. But if we never shopped at places just because their management tends right-wing, we'd be out in the forest hunting and gathering.

My beef with Trump is with his politics, not his businesses per se. I've never stayed at a Trump property and, except for an "emergency" tie purchase at Macy's some years ago, have never bought any Trump merchandise. I've always considered him to be a boorish buffoon, what with the golden gilded fixtures, ostentatious display of excess, and crude treatment of people. But still, trying to get Lady O to give up Nordstrom's because they sell Ivanka bags and shoes isn't going to help get Trump out of office or affect his policies.

[Vrede too]

I think the idea is to directly hurt the Trumps' image and wallets. Not buying their stuff will eventually do the same thing, but an organized boycott will theoretically accomplish it faster and more visibly. Lady O can send an email to Nordstrom and no one will be checking to see whether she's still shopping there or not.

Then, there's the more specific reason, Trump's planned comingling of his business and POTUS interests. This might meet your "I tend not to buy at places that support civil rights violations/violators, have egregious employment practices, etc." test.

[rstrong]

During the election Trump called for everyone to boycott Apple until it gives in to the FBI over encryption. He's also called for boycotts of Starbucks, Macy’s, Univision, Mexico, Oreos, Fox News, and Glenfiddich scotch over things like supporting the wrong tennis player and changing a cup design.

[O Really]

Points taken, but the same direct line between not shopping at a yuuge retailer that has been selling some Trump stuff for years and otherwise has nothing to do with him/them vs. not buying their stuff or going to one of their properties just doesn't seem to work for me. I do like the idea of putting vocal pressure/emails/web comments, etc. on retailers to drop the Trump lines, though.

[rstrong]

I predict Trump will not serve his entire term as POTUS.....he will either quit, be impeached, or be killed. This scenario will be due to one of two things; God's will, or something else.

Possibly impeached over the Emoluments Clause.

Trump has vast overseas business holdings, from Russian banking to Scottish golf courses to overseas real estate to overseas manufacturing to licensing the Trump name to building developers in Turkey, India and Panama, Canada and elsewhere. While the President and Vice-President aren't subject to Conflicts of Interest laws like other government employees, Presidents since Lyndon Johnson 1963 have put their business holdings into a blind trust. Trump has flatly refused to do so.

And so it's not just that other governments can lean on Trump via his business holdings, passing laws that hurt their ability to operate. It's that they can be seen as doing the opposite. As the BBC notes:

A section of the US Constitution known as the Emoluments Clause restricts what US presidents can accept from foreign governments.

The clause says "no person holding any office of profit or trust" may accept "any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state".

America's founding fathers included this to prevent US leaders from being beholden to foreign governments.

If the Trump Organization accepts special deals, such as tax breaks or land rights overseas, it could run afoul of the clause. Even overseas profits could be viewed as a violation.

If Mr Trump did violate the Emoluments Clause, Congress could take action by impeaching him.

The process allows Congress to bring a charge and launch a trial against the president.

If the president is found guilty, he will be removed from office, immediately.

Of course, Republicans will control both the House and Senate. So in the case of any wrongdoing, an impeachment vote would require a few Republicans to have the balls to put the country ahead of Trump.

[billy.pilgrim]

I predict Trump will not serve his entire term as POTUS.....he will either quit, be impeached, or be killed. This scenario will be due to one of two things; God's will, or something else.

Possibly impeached over the Emoluments Clause.

Trump has vast overseas business holdings, from Russian banking to Scottish golf courses to overseas real estate to overseas manufacturing to licensing the Trump name to building developers in Turkey, India and Panama, Canada and elsewhere. While the President and Vice-President aren't subject to Conflicts of Interest laws like other government employees, Presidents since Lyndon Johnson 1963 have put their business holdings into a blind trust. Trump has flatly refused to do so.

And so it's not just that other governments can lean on Trump via his business holdings, passing laws that hurt their ability to operate. It's that they can be seen as doing the opposite. As the BBC notes:

A section of the US Constitution known as the Emoluments Clause restricts what US presidents can accept from foreign governments.

The clause says "no person holding any office of profit or trust" may accept "any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state".

America's founding fathers included this to prevent US leaders from being beholden to foreign governments.

If the Trump Organization accepts special deals, such as tax breaks or land rights overseas, it could run afoul of the clause. Even overseas profits could be viewed as a violation.

If Mr Trump did violate the Emoluments Clause, Congress could take action by impeaching him.

The process allows Congress to bring a charge and launch a trial against the president.

If the president is found guilty, he will be removed from office, immediately.

Of course, Republicans will control both the House and Senate. So in the case of any wrongdoing, an impeachment vote would require a few Republicans to have the balls to put the country ahead of Trump.

Thumper and mayor 911 have already stated that it doesn't apply to the president


But I seem to remember the cons going after clinton for wanting to keep an ashtray, vase or some other small gift

[Vrede too]

More than a few. Majority in the House to impeach, a two-thirds majority in the Senate for conviction. Plus, some Dems will reasonable suspect that Pence would only be worse.

Other than rarely Amazon, I don't shop at any of the targeted businesses.

If he's going to use the office for profit, we get to use any tool to oppose it.

I suspect the idea of a boycott will have more impact than the boycott itself. In the cutthroat retail world companies detest any potential disadvantage. Some will visibly disassociate from Trump, as many companies already have. Others will quietly disengage, especially if folks aren't buying the Trumpcrap. It's not like most of his working class voters ever buy Ivankaschlock, anyhow.

The brand is being and will be harmed. A guess is that the Trumps will somewhat move into ventures that don't have a Trump logo on them.

[rstrong]

Thumper and mayor 911 have already stated that it doesn't apply to the president

Trump and mayor "I declare that not to be rape so it isn't" are correct. Anti-trust laws don't apply to Trump.

They might however apply to the rest of Trump's entourage. Ivanka runs a clothing line and jewellery brand, in addition to her position at the Trump Organization. (BTW, The Trump Organization owes at least $650m, some to the Bank of China and Deutsche Bank.) Her husband Jared Kushner owns the New York Observer newspaper and is a real estate developer.

And yet Ivanka Trump has been involved with meetings and phone calls with world leaders. Her husband Jared is trying to find a way around nepotism laws that prevent him from working in the White House.

In any case, the Emoluments Clause DOES apply to the President.

[billy.pilgrim]

Thumper and mayor 911 have already stated that it doesn't apply to the president

Trump and mayor "I declare that not to be rape so it isn't" are correct. Anti-trust laws don't apply to Trump.

They might however apply to the rest of Trump's entourage. Ivanka runs a clothing line and jewellery brand, in addition to her position at the Trump Organization. (BTW, The Trump Organization owes at least $650m, some to the Bank of China and Deutsche Bank.) Her husband Jared Kushner owns the New York Observer newspaper and is a real estate developer.

And yet Ivanka Trump has been involved with meetings and phone calls with world leaders. Her husband Jared is trying to find a way around nepotism laws that prevent him from working in the White House.

In any case, the Emoluments Clause DOES apply to the President.

It will take a dem house to claim that it applies and even then a would be with threats to sue.

Jared will be in the WH. He already fired Cristy.

[Vrede too]

How long before the white working class realizes Trump was just scamming them?

Today, in WV.

Trump Taps Ross For Commerce Secretary

... In early 2006, the Sago coal mine owned by Ross exploded, triggering a collapse that killed a dozen miners. Federal safety inspectors in 2005 had cited the West Virginia mine with 208 violations.

Ross said afterward that he knew about the safety violations but that the mine’s management had assured him that it was a “safe situation.” ...

[rstrong]

Trump is dropping his campaign promises like they're women who turned 45.

Sorry if that offended anyone.

Maybe if women registered as corporations, more Republicans would treat them as people.

[billy.pilgrim]

Trump is dropping his campaign promises like they're women who turned 45.

Sorry if that offended anyone.

Maybe if women registered as corporations, more Republicans would treat them as people.

The context was more important than the possible offense.

[billy.pilgrim]

How long before the white working class realizes Trump was just scamming them?

Today, in WV.

Trump Taps Ross For Commerce Secretary

... In early 2006, the Sago coal mine owned by Ross exploded, triggering a collapse that killed a dozen miners. Federal safety inspectors in 2005 had cited the West Virginia mine with 208 violations.

Ross said afterward that he knew about the safety violations but that the mine’s management had assured him that it was a “safe situation.” ...

Same as with lil bush, big bush and reagan - never


They don't back down


Ever

[Vrede too]

Ivana 41, Marla 36, Melania 46 but soon to be living separately.

[rstrong]

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/30 ... s-ornament

He is selling $149.00 christmas ornaments

Check out the Amazon reviews.

It tried to put my nativity figures into an internment camp. Would not buy again.

It called Mary a nasty woman, told Joseph to go back where he came from, built a wall around the manger, and then when you press it it sings "I'm Dreaming Of A Totally White Christmas."

The angel on top of my tree just hired a lawyer.

Despite ordering a more reasonable ornament, this one arrived. It. Is. Yuge. It's absolutely yuge. It's the biggest ornament. Yuge.
I hung it on my tree, but it is so yuge that it has totally unbalanced my whole tree. No matter where I hang it, the tree leans waaaaaay over to the far right.

There was a blue ornament, it was smarter than this one, had a lifetime of experience, supported trees of all colors and beliefs, and (get this) was loved by two million more people than this ornament but somehow this ornament is the one on Amazon.

Came with an entire crate of white hood ornaments. Great bargain! Downside: My tree is now on fire.

Tiny hands down, best ornament ever. I know it. You know it. Scott Baio knows it. Everybody knows it. However, I ordered the matching Pence ornament and it keeps using the lights on my tree to electrocute the wise men in my nativity.

My friends told me to "give it a chance" and it immediately invited several neo-Nazis into my house.

Save your money. I purchased this with hopes of destroying one of his seven horcruxes, but it's just a cheap piece of crap made in China. On the upside, it shouts "nasty woman" every time I walk by it.

Given the amount of money people pay for Nazi memorabilia nowadays, $250 is a great investment for what's likely to become the future hot ticket item for World War III collectors.

The absolute Worst!!! Deported my Shepherds, made my Wise Men register, and I can't even begin to say what it did to my Blessed Virgin Mary! This ornament is clearly of the devil!

This looked okay, but the minute I put it on the tree it began bullying the other ornaments. Said the Virgin Mary wasn't, the Three Kings killed JFK, and Baby Jesus is a loser--saviors who don't get killed are better. I can't live with this so am sending it back.

It is BIGLY horrible! It deported all my figures out of the Nativity scene, then covered the manger in gold leaf and rented it out for way too much to a Klan rally. Then it lied and said that it wasn't even Christmas, and relabeled all the presents to itself. Never buy this!

This ornament appeared on my tree, against my own choice, and now my tree is very aggressive towards my wife. There's empty breath mint containers around the floor near the tree, and I'm discouraging female friends and family to go anywhere near the tree.

Many people are saying this is a fantastic ornament, so I bought it without doing any further research

I don't know what all the hate is about. I put this on my tree and all the brown needles immediately fell off! So I guess it's all white in my book.
I'm subtracting a star because it randomly shrieks "Rosie O'Donnell" during the night which is a little weird when I think about it.

My family knew that the red ornament would literally light our tree on fire and burn down the house, but they said they "just couldn't trust the blue ornament." I asked them why they and they couldn't give me a reasonable answer. They went ahead and bought the damn red one and now we're all stuck with it.

Every time I try to hang it on the branch, it yells "WRONG!" No matter which branch I try, it's "WRONG!" My brother and father can hang it up just fine, but when my mother and I try, it's just "WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!" Also, in the middle of the night, I'll hear it loudly yell "SHE'S A FOUR." When I go into the living room to investigate, our angel tree-topper will be on the floor and a naked Barbie will be at the top of the tree.

[Vrede too]

Customer Questions & Answers

Question: Where is this manufactured?
Answer: Dum Gai, China.

Question: I have oddly small hands, would this be too difficult for my tiny little prehensile grip to lynch, I mean hang on my tree?
Answer: You should be okay with it. It's the perfect size for little baby hands.

Question: What year is it referring to? When was America most recently great?
Answer: Based on presidential approval ratings: last month.

Mine:
Real grabber
My cat used to climb the tree and break the ornaments. Now, Pussy won't even go in the same room. 5 stars.

[Vrede too]

In contrast to stores carrying Trumpcrap -

This Outdoor Brand Is Donating All of Its Black Friday Sales

Patagonia is giving its customers a reason aside from reduced prices to shop on Black Friday.

The outdoor standout announced this week that it will donate 100 percent of its global Black Friday sales, both in its brick-and-mortar stores and e-commerce website, to grassroots organizations based in local communities that work to keep nature clean and beautiful.

“During a difficult and divisive time, we felt it was important to go further and connect more of our customers, who love wild places, with those who are fighting tirelessly to protect them,” Rose Marcario, president and CEO of Patagonia, said in a statement. “This we know: If we don’t act boldly, severe changes in climate, water and air pollution, extinction of species, and erosion of topsoil are certain outcomes. The threats facing our planet affect people of every political stripe, of every demographic, in every part of the country. We all stand to benefit from a healthy environment — and our children and grandchildren do, too.”

The exec stated that the recipients of the money are small groups that are often underfunded and fall under the radar. She added that Patagonia will also provide information in-store and online on how to reach out to the groups and join them in their environmental protection initiatives.

According to the brand’s statement, Patagonia already donates 1 percent of its sales to grassroots environmental organizations and has provided $74 million to several organizations date.

I have personally been involved with groups and events that have benefited from Patagonia's money and its support for activist employees.

“At Patagonia, we will grow and deepen our resolve to protect what we love,” said Marcario. “We will fight harder and smarter, and use every means at our disposal to prevail for the sake of the country, the planet and the wild places and creatures that need our voice.”

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