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Vrede too wrote:No more so than the baled hay you mention for cows, and I'm pretty sure that the hay to meat conversion is more efficient than for cows. Nice try, though. ;)
Your crop gets wiped out, you bale it once. It's dried out and now hay, within a week. You can still feed it to your cattle. A year later you can still feed it to your cattle. And you'll probably have enough of it too.

Can rabbits eat hay? Otherwise, once the snow falls and there's no green around for five months, scrounging for food daily for enough rabbits to replace your cattle is going to be a problem.

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rstrong wrote:(To understand how annoying this claim is, try living on the prairie and having to pay a fortune in electrical costs to keep sump pumps running non-stop for four months of the year - and on and off the rest of the year - to GET RID of water.)
I should probably move that to the hydrophobic thread.

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Sorry about your rabies, get well soon. ;)
rstrong wrote:... Can rabbits eat hay? ...
I raised them long ago, but am no expert. Since rabbits do eat grass and hay is a high quality grass able to keep inefficient herbivores like cows alive, it stands to reason that rabbits will do fine.
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Vrede too wrote:Many of our groceries have bins near the front for leaving/getting clean used plastic bags. I've wondered if they somehow recycle the excess. Kudos for the bus riding, that does more than bag reduction.

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At the Publix we use, there are plastic bins out front marked for plastic bags, paper bags and foam egg cartons. We save up what bags & cartons we use and return them on a regular basis. We also have the reusable grocery bags and I like them much better- hold more, don't tear and don't slide all over the trunk spilling groceries.
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There's also global warming to consider. Each plastic shopping bag that ends up in a landfill is several grams of carbon sequestered, no?

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rstrong wrote:There's also global warming to consider. Each plastic shopping bag that ends up in a landfill is several grams of carbon sequestered, no?

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And Al Gore doesn't make any money off it, right?
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Shell gets OK to take 21 days to cap blowouts off Nova Scotia coast
Environmentalist says it's 'almost inconceivable' to give oil giant that much time to act


... n the environmental assessment for the project, Shell Canada said the capping stack equipment would be brought in from Stavanger, Norway.

Shell said it would also deploy a backup capping stack from either Scotland, South Africa, Singapore or Brazil.

Stark contrast to U.S. regulation

Davis said the decision to allow Shell up to 21 days to cap a blowout in the Shelburne Basin is in stark contrast to what U.S. regulators are requiring from Shell for an exploratory drilling project in the Chukchi Sea in Alaska.

The U.S. Interior Department's Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement has given Shell an exploration permit on the condition that it must have a capping stack on a vessel nearby on standby that must be deployed within 24 hours of a blowout....
Sign the petition to the CNSOBP

Canada-Nova Scotia Offshore Petroleum Board: refuse Shell's application to drill in Nova Scotia. A three week blowout would be catastrophic for Canada's fisheries, sea life, coastal communities and one of the world's most important nature reserves."
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Vrede too wrote:
Wneglia wrote:

COWSPIRACY

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Our planet is at steak
:?: :?: :?:

This trailer is BS. I get comms from green groups all the time about the impacts of animal agriculture. Here are pages from the websites of 4 of the groups that are supposedly part of the "Cowspiracy".

http://www.nrdc.org/food/default.asp
https://search.sierraclub.org/search?si ... =30&q=cows
http://www.ran.org/search-results?q=cows&search-btn=
http://www.greenpeace.org/international ... /?all=cows
Along with the erroneous criticism of some green groups, at least in the trailer there is no mention of other green groups that focus on animal agriculture all the time.

Meat-eaters may speed worldwide species extinction, study warns

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How one US state went from two quakes a year to 585

Crescent (United States) (AFP) - The central US state of Oklahoma has gone from registering two earthquakes a year to nearly two a day and scientists point to a controversial culprit: wastewater injection wells used in fracking.

Located in the middle of the country, far from any major fault lines, Oklahoma experienced 585 earthquakes of a magnitude of 3.0 or greater in 2014. That's more than three times as many as the 180 which hit California last year.

"It's completely unprecedented," said George Choy, a seismologist at the US Geological Survey.

As of last month, Oklahoma has already experienced more than 600 quakes strong enough to rattle windows and rock cars. The biggest was a 4.5-magnitude quake that hit the small town of Crescent....

The pace at which earthquake activity has increased has rattled many in Oklahoma, who are also worried about groundwater contamination brought on by fracking.

From 1975 to 2008, the state experienced anywhere from zero to three earthquakes a year which registered at 3.0 or higher.

Then the numbers jumped: there were 20 in 2009, 35 in 2010, 64 in 2011, 35 in 2012, 109 in 2013 and 585 in 2014....
Yet another indirect subsidy for Big Oil and Gas. I've never heard of conservation or solar or wind power causing an earthquake.
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I was worried about him.
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In fairness to VW employees, they were just following orders.

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rstrong - :o :lol: :!: . Boatrocker, too.

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Just interesting -

I'm getting calls from anti-nuke groups around the country asking if I know anything about the flooding in SC as it relates to all the nuclear power and waste facilities there, a legit concern given that there have been at least 16 dam breaches or failures over the past week in SC.

I'm not as plugged as I used to be so I couldn't really help these folks out, but I did do a little research.

Looks like the Savannah River crested below flood stage on Tuesday morning:
Savannah River below Augusta (Butler Creek)
http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrogra ... gage=augg1

This could have been of concern at the Savannah River Site (SRS) nuclear reservation and waste storage site.

Flood Hazard Recurrence Frequencies for the Savannah River Site
Flood hazard assessment for the Savannah River Site

Then, there were also questions about the upstate Duke Energy's Jocassee Dam and the Oconee Nuclear Station. I first found the Oconee Nuclear Station ISFSI Safety Analysis Report. Flood discussion begins on p. 27. At the bottom of p. 30 is "2.4.4 Potential Dam Failures, Seismically Induced", which essentially blows off the possibility.

Not everyone is so blase about it.
Whistleblowers: Potential Jocassee Dam failure could rival Fukushima

Yikes.
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rstrong wrote:In fairness to VW employees, they were just following orders.
Even so -

Tell Department of Justice: Prosecute Volkswagen's Climate Criminals
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rstrong wrote:In fairness to VW employees, they were just following orders.
Even so -

Tell Department of Justice: Prosecute Volkswagen's Climate Criminals
Volkswagen has determined that it was the work of "rogue engineers." They've already suspended four workers. How could management possibly have known?

I'm guessing that those workers will be well-compensated for quietly and cooperatively being tossed under the bus. And Volkswagen will portray itself as the victim.

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Ontario VW owners could be forced off road without clean-up
While the company has promised a software patch or recall of 11 million vehicles worldwide, provincial officials are concerned some owners will not voluntarily bring in their cars to dealers for the fix.

That's because the vehicles may not go as fast or be as fuel efficient once the repair has been done.

To counter that, (Glenn) Murray's ministry has the power not renew the licence registration for owners of Volkwagens and Audis who do not provide proof that their diesels have been cleaned up.

Ontario's strict Environmental Protection Act prohibits the sale of vehicles that do not meet emissions standards, meaning the government has the power to keep new and used TDIs off the roads.
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