Gun Legislation

[Dryer Vent]

I can relate to the "cosmetic" differences in the Ruger 10/22 and the Newtown type AR-15. It occurred to me that a Ping G-25 driver http://www.ping.com/clubs/drivers.aspx has only "cosmetic" differences from the wooden clubs from 1900. There's really no functional difference in the current NFL helmet and leather helmets. It looks also like only "cosmetic" changes have been made in the Gen-6 NASCAR vehicle and the original Hudson Hornets run back in 1950 or so. They're both gasoline engined, four-wheeled, front-wheel drive vehicles, yes? No significant differences in TV's either, as far as I can tell. Just cosmetics in the shape, definition, and electronics, but it still just plays a sound and picture off the air or cable, just like in 1955. So sure - if I'm choosing a weapon to use in a Newtown attack, I could take along the Ruger 10/22 or the cosmetically enhanced AR-15, which happens to be lighter, smaller, more accurate, easier to conceal, and - as a bonus - looks "scary" to those I'll be attacking.

Opps. Too late to edit. Of course the NASCAR cars and the Hornets are rear wheel drive. Go ahead and ridicule and get it over with.

Wrong. I see a huge difference in my old tube television and the 50" plasma I have now. The technology is totally different. The tube tv and plasma are a far cry from being "cosmetic changes."

[O Really]

Wrong. I see a huge difference in my old tube television and the 50" plasma I have now. The technology is totally different. The tube tv and plasma are a far cry from being "cosmetic changes."

'zactly.

[O Really]

In another tragedy resulting from use of guns, "American Sniper" Chris Kyles and a companion were killed at a gun range in Texas. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02 ... snhp&pos=1

No doubt Kyles was a weapons expert; no doubt there were lots of guns around. Apparently the shooter was (previously) a "law-abiding citizen." But Kyles is still dead. Maybe give pause to consider whether having armed teachers and volunteer vigilantes running around schools is the most effective way to improve security.

[Crock Hunter]

In another tragedy resulting from use of guns, "American Sniper" Chris Kyles and a companion were killed at a gun range in Texas. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02 ... snhp&pos=1

No doubt Kyles was a weapons expert; no doubt there were lots of guns around. Apparently the shooter was (previously) a "law-abiding citizen." But Kyles is still dead. Maybe give pause to consider whether having armed teachers and volunteer vigilantes running around schools is the most effective way to improve security.

Indeed....... if only there had been someone close by with a gun to stop the shooter..

[O Really]

Even Faux knows LaPierre is a bit shy of a full load... http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... chief.html

[Mad American]

Wrong. I see a huge difference in my old tube television and the 50" plasma I have now. The technology is totally different. The tube tv and plasma are a far cry from being "cosmetic changes."

'zactly.

O'really, I think you are confusing two issues. The 10/22 is an individual weapon that offers aftermarket accessories that can change it's appearance from a wooden stock "standard" looking rifle to a scarey looking para-military weapon. However, it is still just a Ruger 10-/22 yet the one with the accessories would be banned while the wooden one would not. The AR-15 is a platform that is available in several different calibers with the same inner workings as any other centerfire semi-automatic, it just comes off the assembly line already looking scarey.

The technology issue at goes back to the point that I made some time ago in a different thread. Of course technology has allowed things to change. What was said when Winchester introduced the lever action? What about when the musket progressed from a match lock to flint lock. Just like I said in the other thread, technology has decreased load time, lock time, and increased capacity but the weapons still operate the same....they fire one round for each pull of the trigger.

[Mad American]

The thing is that you haven't found any factual errors I've made. You've imagined a bunch and lied about others.

Everything you have posted has been factually inaccurate. Just because you THINK it true does not make it so.

The proposal is to ban some guns, not ban guns. You fail even the simplest English again, no nuts.

Yes, the proposal is to ban the "bad" guns, but you just admitted that a gun is an inanimate object so what makes it bad?

Same lie. It ain't "cosmetic" if it makes the shooting better.

Iron sights aid the shooter, post and peep aid the shooter, a scope aids the shooter but it doesn't affect the weapon. Keep trying to twist out of it but you have been proven a moron. Please continue this is fun.

They "WANT to" because it makes their shooting more effective. Back to your stupid lie about it only being "cosmetic" like painting a gun pink is "cosmetic".

So now more shells makes the "shooting more effective" LMAO You really are an idiot. The most EFFECTIVE and ACCURATE guns on the market are single shot breech loaders and 5 shot bolt actions that do NOT accept external magazines. Nice dodge though. We know how you feel about freedom!

There's quite a bit of evidence that you are nascarfan88. Your claim to "rarely carry" is the very first somewhat believable (given how consistently dishonest you are) evidence that you aren't. He is so, so proud of always carrying even around his house and in places where it's not wanted and is illegal to do so. This is the first post I've seen where you haven't sounded just like him.


Your opinions are not evidence....you really should seek therapy!

Not at all, it's funny to me what a baby you are.

Says the person that can not debate without insults, taunts, and snark....especially when getting beaten like a cheap drum. I'd say the pot is calling the kettle black.

I didn't quote him for the questions, you fail comprehension again. As I clearly have said several times our case re your "cosmetic" stupidity is one in the same save the difference in "tone" that you whine about. He's still ridiculing you. Notice yet?

Just gotta keep on. Thats OK.....I'm enjoying watching you implode.

4 new lies, plus the predicted running away from all the prior ones.

With such cowardly irresponsibility you make a better case for controlling the gun freaks like you than I could ever hope to.

Oh...ouch....the pain how many more times you gonna trot out that tired old line?

As often as you run away from your "machine gun", etc. lie, and then add new ones. You are so pitiful I find it highly entertaining to point it out.

Not nearly as entertaining as watching your flounder around and try to get your head above water long enough to get a breath. Your drowning in your own ignorance and your over inflated ego will not allow you to see it.

With such ignorance you make a better case for abortion AND mandatory sterilization than any libtard could.

Ragin' Rebel? That would be too, too funny if you've been to cowardly to admit it since joining. If so, you know it.



Childish vulgarity, as usual.

Just giving what I get....if it is childish vulgarity I learned it form you.

[rstrong]

As I said before, Democrats should take a strong pro-NRA stance. Declare that gun ownership is an important part of American citizenship, an important defence against the tyranny of the government and the establishment of a ruling class.

Then begin a campaign to encourage and assist gun ownership by blacks, hispanics, and any minority that has ever feared the tyranny of a ruling class.

The next Republican administration would take away everyone's guns, and the NRA would cooperate.

The New Yorker tells the joke better than I did: Gun Sales Soar on Photo of Armed Obama

[rstrong]

As I said before, Democrats should take a strong pro-NRA stance. Declare that gun ownership is an important part of American citizenship, an important defence against the tyranny of the government and the establishment of a ruling class.

Then begin a campaign to encourage and assist gun ownership by blacks, hispanics, and any minority that has ever feared the tyranny of a ruling class.

The next Republican administration would take away everyone's guns, and the NRA would cooperate.

The New Yorker tells the joke better than I did: Gun Sales Soar on Photo of Armed Obama

On the other hand...

[O Really]

Interesting to see what the gun industry people have to say about the Newtown AR-15 type weapon...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/50685277/ns/b ... Q8V7h08CSo

[Mad American]

...Just like I said in the other thread, technology has decreased load time, lock time, and increased capacity but the weapons still operate the same....they fire one round for each pull of the trigger.

What you've failed to grasp after all this time is that it doesn't matter. As you say, guns have changed. Even the NRA did not agree with you as it applies to regulation for the vast majority of its history. Those changes, all of them, can be restricted whether they should be or not.

No vrede you have failed to grasp that is does not matter. I have been arguing that it does not matter. Your tired theory of the 2nd Amendment only applying to single shot muzzle loaders has been shot full of so many holes it looks like swiss cheese (pun intended) To say that The Constitution is only relevant to what was known at the time is stupid. As I have said before, by using your logic, freedom of the press would only apply to printed word produced on moveable type manual presses. The 4th amendment would NOT apply to wire taps or cyber surveillance. There are many more examples tht show your theory asinine.

[Mad American]

Find us two, don't run away. This should be good.

1. Scopes, 2. tripods effect the "weapons" accuracy. That was easy. Want to play again?

What makes a box cutter on an airplane "bad"? It's an inanimate object.

The PERSON holding it dumbass...same as a gun. On the other hand what makes a Glock 45 on a plane in the hands of an air marshal good?

You are so thick, I never said anything other than that the ultimate, shot and shooter, effectiveness was enhanced. As everyone commenting on it has said, your "cosmetic" is goofy and you're just too much of a wuss to admit it. It's getting sad and disturbing.

And you are so fucking stupid you still don't realize that a weapons accuracy is inherently "built in". Sorry, but you are the one that screwed that up.

You are so thick, "EFFECTIVE" depends on what the situation is. Everyone knows it's a dependent, not an absolute, word. Really, everyone. Your examples aren't worth beans in a wrestling match and "ACCURATE" is less important across a school classroom or behind the firing line at a shooting range.

You really should work on your firearms vocabulary for a few years and then come back...maybe then you won't be sticking your foot in you mouth so much

Honestly, your obsession with your compensations does not make you expert on law, definitions, logic, history, comprehension, or sensible expression.

Maybe not but it makes me a whole hell of a lot smarter on guns than you and that is what we are talking about....guns

We know how you feel about freedom!

Children don't have the freedom to play with any toy they want.

Says loads about your mind set. You think that free law abiding citizens are like children and need to have what they can or can not have dictated to them by the government. Nice to know you prefer tyranny.


Your opinions are not evidence....you really should seek therapy!

Oh, it's so much more evidence than that. But, the really funny thing is that I just made an argument supporting the opinion that you're not nascarfan88 and you said I'm ill for doing so. (wait for it folks, this will take him awhile to figure out)

Nope, just simply said you should seek therapy for you obsession with this nascarfan88. If you agree that I am not that person then why keep bringing it up?


You entered this tangent calling me ignorant, quit whining.

You are ignorant..especially on firearms. And you entered this tangent in every other thread where you have responded to me. Don't like getting your own medicine? Shut up and go away....I can play this game for as long as you like.

I'm enjoying watching Mitten as POTUS.

Typical vrede.....when being proven a blathering moron change the subject. We are discussing guns...please try to stay on topic

We can all see you cowering.

We all see you drowning in your stupidity

Ragin' Rebel? That would be too, too funny if you've been to cowardly to admit it since joining. If so, you know it.

No comment? Interesting.

Didn't feel the need to comment on another of your delusions but since you brought it up AGAIN. Am I nascarfan88 or this "ragin rebel"? :-0?> I bet you are hoot walking past a cemetery...jump at every shadow. Both of those individuals must have whipped your ass in more arguments than one for you to be so obsessed. Really you should seek professional help

Another lie, I'm pretty sparing with it. Either way, the funny thing is that you're blaming me for your behavior.

Nah, you can hold your own with the insults and taunts.....I just kicked it up a notch. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.

More vrede stupidity as usual

[Mad American]

What an idiot. He's still deluded about his convenient definition of "arms" being in the Constitution, actually still thinks that the "press" meant the printing press rather than the institution of news gathering and reporting, and doesn't know that the 4th Amendment's application to wire taps and cyber surveillance has not been settled yet, and never was written to be dependent on the extant hardware, anyhow.

So the 4th amendment was not written to be dependent on extant hardware but the 2nd amendment was? :-0?>

But, of course, it's really just about displaying his ignorance on all these matters while diverting from the challenge, the question, his stupid definitions of "cosmetic" and "EFFECTIVE", and his "machine gun" and other lies about what I have posted.

You proved your own dishonesty and ignorance of guns...I just keep pointing it out

Run away, child, run away.

Educate yourself, dumbass, educate yourself

[Mad American]

Screwed up the formatting again, fixed for him again. He needs so much help in life, no wonder he compensates with guns.

When you are so intellectually outmatched on the subject at hand and can't argue the points...just find fault in the formatting.

[Mad American]

What an idiot. He's still deluded about his convenient definition of "arms" being in the Constitution, actually still thinks that the "press" meant the printing press rather than the institution of news gathering and reporting, and doesn't know that the 4th Amendment's application to wire taps and cyber surveillance has not been settled yet, and never was written to be dependent on the extant hardware, anyhow.

So the 4th amendment was not written to be dependent on extant hardware but the 2nd amendment was? :-0?>

Exactly. The 4th Amendment was written broadly, and still it's application to current technology has yet to be settled, whereas the 2nd Amendment, unlike your confused definition of "press", was written specific to the "arms" hardware which could only have been defined one way at the time. Even the NRA agreed with me for the vast majority of its history until the extremists took over.

And there you have it folks....Vrede thinks that one amendment to The Constitution was written "broadly" and can apply today, while another was not. Talk about cherry picking.

But, of course, it's really just about displaying his ignorance on all these matters while diverting from the challenge, the question, his stupid definitions of "cosmetic" and "EFFECTIVE", and his "machine gun" and other lies about what I have posted.

You proved your own dishonesty and ignorance of guns...I just keep pointing it out

Still running away. Just doesn't have the capacity for literacy.

Run away, child, run away.

Educate yourself, dumbass, educate yourself

Still running away. Just doesn't have the capacity for honesty or accountability in his "character".

Not running anywhere......I bet you really wish I would. Not gonna happen. It's too much fun watching you try to spin your way out of the stupid hole you dug for yourself

Childish vulgarity, as usual.

Yep and here is more

[Mad American]

Mittens as president....nascarfan88...ragin' rebel...formatting

Translation: Mad American is whipping my candy ass on guns so I better try to change the subject. I can't stop the conversation, my overinflated ego won't let me and it would look like I ran away. I can't use my "first officer" powers to put him in timeout or ban him. I'd be a hypocrite after what happened at BRN. I can't whine to bannination and have him do it either. What am I going to do? I guess if I talk enough, for long enough then no one will notice I'm an idiot and hopefully Mad American will leave.

[Mad American]

Still no denial, interesting. Still too cowardly to tell us what his former handle/s were.

There are no "former handles". I was Mad American on BRN, I just did not post much there.

You have delusions...

So do you. Apparently you see folks who must have whipped your candy ass before behind ever tree.

Another lie, each of those posts also addressed the subject.

You are the one so worried about formats and other BS not me.

Indeed, it would look like I was running away, like you are from the challenge, the question, your stupid definitions of "cosmetic", "press" and "EFFECTIVE", and your "machine gun" and other lies about what I have posted.

The irony here is that it's Mad American that is now posting attacks that are entirely devoid of topical discussion. (wait for it folks, this will take him awhile to figure out)

I've already shoved your ignorance regarding guns, a weapons accuracy, a shooters effectiveness, and your idiotic idea that only certain amendments were based on extant hardware so far up your ass you should see it when you brush that tooth.

"first officer" has nothing to do with being a moderator, it's a post tally designation. You are ignorant, again.

Yep, heaven knows you got the market cornered on post numbers. Funny thing though.....you had "first officer" LONG before your post numbers got so high. Are we being just a tad dishonest.

I'm not sure whether I can or not. I can alter or delete your posts, though. But I don't, unlike you I am honest and have ethics. That's why I, and others including at least one con, have been trusted with the responsibility.

Bullshit, you know exactly what you can and can't do as a moderator. If you don't then you truly are an ignorant dumbass and should be removed from the post.

I would, but that's not the reason I'm not like the BRN wet nurse. You have a rich fantasy life.

I can't whine to bannination and have him do it either.

I'm not like you weak and whiny con crybabies.

Translation: I wish banni would just do it. That way I can save a little face!

You have a rich fantasy life. I think it's great that you're making such a thorough case for gun control.

Translation: I'm out of witty comebacks so I'll use the same old one again.

Childish vulgarity, as usual.[/quote]

Idiotic ramblings as usual.

[Boatrocker]

Yep. Declare victory and crow about imaginary ass-whuppins. Predictable as sunrise.

[O Really]

Here's a really good non-ideological article discussing the many issues regarding firearms...
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... picks=true

[Mad American]

As much as you want me to run away this time, it aint happenin'. You're still hung up on formatting and trying to deflect away from the fact that you have been proven a dumbass when it comes to firearms. You made a factually incorrect statement when you said that scopes and tripods effect a "weapon's accuracy". You got so hung up on trying to disprove the fact, that no matter what cosmetic accessory is added the weapons mechanical operation does not change. You screwed up, I caught you, and proved you an idiot. You have gone from that to high capacity magazines where you likened free law-abiding citizens to children which must be dictated to what they can or can not have and essentially condoned tyranny. From that to accusing me of being nascarfan, then ragin rebel and finally you have disintegrated to just blathering and bumbling on with your usual bullshit quote & reply loaded with point by point insults because you can not compete on the playing field of firearms knowledge. You are hoping that if you get nasty enough I will grow tired and leave, once again giving you the last word in yet another thread to have "vrede" listed as the last poster on the index page. Not gonna happen this time goat breath. You want this one to end your gonna leave 'cause I can keep this up for just as long as you can.