Whereas according to the geological, archeological and other evidence, the "6,000 years" claim is delusional fantasy and you can't prove it's not.Ragin Rebel wrote:According to theology, God's word, and Jewish history, 6,000 years is accurate, and you can't prove it's not.
Bombardment of Fort SumterRagin Rebel wrote:The Southern states acted peacefully to secede from the Union. Without war.
Vrede wrote:rstrong wrote:... "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions."
- Thomas Jefferson, 1816.
You love to quote Jefferson, when it fit's your agenda.
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Yeah, Saul Alinsky's legacy is far more about tactics that any of the relatively powerless, left or right, can and do use than his own place on the political spectrum. Ragin Rebel is merely parroting rightwing smears he's been fed. He's never researched, read or understood any of Alinsky's work.
Alinsky was a radical, with intent to destroy Capitalism, and our Constitutional way of life. That was his and other like minded individuals tactic to overtake America. And you seem to follow his rules for radicals to a tee.
Alinsky did not join political parties. When asked during an interview whether he ever considered becoming a Communist party member, he replied:
Not at any time. I've never joined any organization—not even the ones I've organized myself.
Must not have been much of an organization to start with if it's not worth joining.
I prize my own independence too much. And philosophically, I could never accept any rigid dogma or ideology, whether it's Christianity or Marxism. One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're right.' If you don't have that, if you think you've got an inside track to absolute truth, you become doctrinaire, humorless and intellectually constipated. The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics, from the persecutions of the Inquisition on down to Communist purges and Nazi genocide.
rstrong wrote:Whereas according to the geological, archeological and other evidence, the "6,000 years" claim is delusional fantasy and you can't prove it's not.Ragin Rebel wrote:According to theology, God's word, and Jewish history, 6,000 years is accurate, and you can't prove it's not.
And you can't prove it is. Science is flawed, especially when it comes to carbon dating, it is a flawed theory.
Bombardment of Fort SumterRagin Rebel wrote:The Southern states acted peacefully to secede from the Union. Without war.
"Peacefully."
Like I said, they were evicting foreigners from their land and sea.
Vrede wrote:Ragin Rebel wrote:And you can't prove it is. Science is flawed, especially when it comes to carbon dating, it is a flawed theory.rstrong wrote:Whereas according to the geological, archeological and other evidence, the "6,000 years" claim is delusional fantasy and you can't prove it's not.Ragin Rebel wrote:According to theology, God's word, and Jewish history, 6,000 years is accurate, and you can't prove it's not.
More emoticons as proof??? Pathetic!!!
I think he really believes it. That explains a lot, too.O Really wrote:If Ragin Redneck really does believe in the 6,000 year theory and is not just yanking our chains (which I find more likely), then that explains a lot.
neoplacebo wrote:You have no idea of how the south would have turned out, you're ASSUMING. Along with your hate and prejudice of Southern Americans and your belief that all are inbred hicks, you would be quite surprised at the people of the south are very resourceful people.Ragin Rebel wrote:If the Supreme Court at the time had been really concerned, I'm sure they would have taken up the issue.
The Supreme Court doesn't "take up" anything; it only considers cases brought before it, and sometimes chooses not to hear a case that is brought.
We have no allegiance to bow down to a Centralized Government. And each state under our form of government is in itself a nation on it's own, in a compact with other states, and represented by an elected central government .
Why was no one in Washington concerned enough to present it to the Supreme Court????
"I pledge allegiance to the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." That sort of undermines your thesis.
Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).
Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.
And it has been documented that the pledge was forced upon the school children of the south.
In fact had the North let the South go peacefully, or the South been victorious, the South would be a Super Power in the world today, and the North, if not saved by the South, would be a third world nation, run on a fiat economy, drowning in worthless paper currency. (Oh that's right, we're already doing that aren't we???)
You mean Mississippi and a lot of Alabama and Georgia would be better off as a separate nation? Maybe a nation of dumbass inbred rednecks. And the New York Stock Exchange would instead be somewhere in South Carolina? An interesting take on the subject for sure, but not likely.
Eastern TN was a hotbed of pro-union sentiment when the states were seceding. Upward to 80%+ of the votes in counties in Eastern TN opposed secession. Always thought that was interesting. I think to a lesser extent this was also the case in western NC, and there were a few places in Northern AL as well that harbored pro union sentiments.neoplacebo wrote:I know when the pledge was written. I grew up in the south (Tennessee) and I am very much aware of how Southern heritage and influence has made a positive impact on our nation. But the fact remains that we fucked up in 1860. You just refuse to admit it and move on. Furthermore, YOU have no idea how the south would have turned out, either. You are assuming based on your skewed sense of history and reality.
I'm related to George B. McClellan, General in the Union Army. He was from Virginia. I grew up hard by the Virginia border in east Tennessee.JTA wrote:Eastern TN was a hotbed of pro-union sentiment when the states were seceding. Upward to 80%+ of the votes in counties in Eastern TN opposed secession. Always thought that was interesting. I think to a lesser extent this was also the case in western NC, and there were a few places in Northern AL as well that harbored pro union sentiments.neoplacebo wrote:I know when the pledge was written. I grew up in the south (Tennessee) and I am very much aware of how Southern heritage and influence has made a positive impact on our nation. But the fact remains that we fucked up in 1860. You just refuse to admit it and move on. Furthermore, YOU have no idea how the south would have turned out, either. You are assuming based on your skewed sense of history and reality.
With all due respect, aren't you also making an assumption when saying that the South would have become a superpower? When it comes to historical what-ifs, isn't everything just conjecture? I'm not saying it's impossible that the South would've become a super power if they were left alone, but given that there are no certainties when it comes to historical what-ifs, isn't as equally as likely that they wouldn't have?Ragin Rebel wrote:neoplacebo wrote:You have no idea of how the south would have turned out, you're ASSUMING. Along with your hate and prejudice of Southern Americans and your belief that all are inbred hicks, you would be quite surprised at the people of the south are very resourceful people.Ragin Rebel wrote:If the Supreme Court at the time had been really concerned, I'm sure they would have taken up the issue.
The Supreme Court doesn't "take up" anything; it only considers cases brought before it, and sometimes chooses not to hear a case that is brought.
We have no allegiance to bow down to a Centralized Government. And each state under our form of government is in itself a nation on it's own, in a compact with other states, and represented by an elected central government .
Why was no one in Washington concerned enough to present it to the Supreme Court????
"I pledge allegiance to the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." That sort of undermines your thesis.
Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).
Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.
And it has been documented that the pledge was forced upon the school children of the south.
In fact had the North let the South go peacefully, or the South been victorious, the South would be a Super Power in the world today, and the North, if not saved by the South, would be a third world nation, run on a fiat economy, drowning in worthless paper currency. (Oh that's right, we're already doing that aren't we???)
You mean Mississippi and a lot of Alabama and Georgia would be better off as a separate nation? Maybe a nation of dumbass inbred rednecks. And the New York Stock Exchange would instead be somewhere in South Carolina? An interesting take on the subject for sure, but not likely.
That's real interesting. I'm related to a union general as well. Not gonna say his name because I have the same surname as him. One of his swords was passed down through our family, and it was supposed to be given to me until a thieving cunt stole it and sold it to a pawn shop for chump change so she could feed her drug addiction. Oh well. I do own one sword from the civil war though passed down through my moms side of the family. I think it was of a lower rank soldier though.neoplacebo wrote:I'm related to George B. McClellan, General in the Union Army. He was from Virginia. I grew up hard by the Virginia border in east Tennessee.JTA wrote:Eastern TN was a hotbed of pro-union sentiment when the states were seceding. Upward to 80%+ of the votes in counties in Eastern TN opposed secession. Always thought that was interesting. I think to a lesser extent this was also the case in western NC, and there were a few places in Northern AL as well that harbored pro union sentiments.neoplacebo wrote:I know when the pledge was written. I grew up in the south (Tennessee) and I am very much aware of how Southern heritage and influence has made a positive impact on our nation. But the fact remains that we fucked up in 1860. You just refuse to admit it and move on. Furthermore, YOU have no idea how the south would have turned out, either. You are assuming based on your skewed sense of history and reality.
Too bad about the sword. i myself have no relics. My maternal grandmother was McDavid and her family was from the McClellan clan of Southwest Virginia. My own name begins with the Mc prefix so I continue the proud Irish tradition except I only have a daughter and no son to continue the name.JTA wrote:That's real interesting. I'm related to a union general as well. Not gonna say his name because I have the same surname as him. One of his swords was passed down through our family, and it was supposed to be given to me until a thieving cunt stole it and sold it to a pawn shop for chump change so she could feed her drug addiction. Oh well. I do own one sword from the civil war though passed down through my moms side of the family. I think it was of a lower rank soldier though.neoplacebo wrote:I'm related to George B. McClellan, General in the Union Army. He was from Virginia. I grew up hard by the Virginia border in east Tennessee.JTA wrote:Eastern TN was a hotbed of pro-union sentiment when the states were seceding. Upward to 80%+ of the votes in counties in Eastern TN opposed secession. Always thought that was interesting. I think to a lesser extent this was also the case in western NC, and there were a few places in Northern AL as well that harbored pro union sentiments.neoplacebo wrote:I know when the pledge was written. I grew up in the south (Tennessee) and I am very much aware of how Southern heritage and influence has made a positive impact on our nation. But the fact remains that we fucked up in 1860. You just refuse to admit it and move on. Furthermore, YOU have no idea how the south would have turned out, either. You are assuming based on your skewed sense of history and reality.
Vrede wrote:Alinsky was a radical, idiot. You can't even get your deflections from your incompetence correct.
"name calling"? "COWARD" is a quote from your avatar, dummy.
The quote COWARD refers to your "Novelty Negro" usurping the White House.
Then, there are all the names that you've hurled at us.
Deviants?? Sodomites?? Murderers?? Socialist?? Marxist?? Communist?? Do those descriptions annoy you??
There is nothing, nothing more pathetic and "juvenile" than a poster that dishes it out and then whines like a toddler when it comes back at him. Your slaver loving ancestors would be ashamed of you, Ragin Rebel.
I personally don't care what you call me, because I have no respect for your opinion at all. But for your info, I am not a Coward, and my ancestors did not own slaves, and you have no way of determining what they thought about slavery. You screwed the pooch again!
I've got a science degree and it's not from a "Liberal (sic) arts college". You've screwed up, again.
Slavery was specifically cited in the state secession documents. You're too uneducated and wussy to admit what the slavers you adore clearly stated.
So what??? slavery though wrong was legal and even Abe Lincoln himself had no real problem with it.
Lincoln only freed the slaves in the Southern states because he believed that was the extent of the CiC powers he had Like Obama's executive order on immigration???.
It's hilarious that you're whining about him not being more dictatorial and that you're too stupid to know what's clear in the historical record.
He was dictatorial by trying to stop the South from leaving the Union peacefully. He knew 3/4 of the nations revenue went with them.
Poor thing, you have no idea what "Marxist" is and isn't, or that by definition Marxists aren't liberals.
Basically I see you lefty's as a mix of strays, like dogs, so your actions cover a lot of names.
Ragin Rebel supports Big Brother restricting legal relationships between consenting adults, intruding on women's healthcare
This nation was founded on Godly principals. The Bible explains marriage between a man and a woman, like Adam and Eve, and not like Adam and Steve. Case closed on that issue. Queers are deviant abominations to both God and man.
and "the handing out of largess" to our largest socialist institution and one of the largest socialist institutions in the world - the Pentagon.
The Pentagon is part of the central government, they are funded by congress. It is Constitutional. But handing out money and housing to useless eaters, breathers and breeders is not.
"the slaves were much happier before" the end of slavery - LOL!!!
Your slaver loving ancestors fought on behalf of the slavers. Grow up and own it.
They fought to defend States Rights. Prove they didn't!!
I'm still not a liberal. You've screwed that up, again. I'm unaware of anyone else with the "same quote": "Poor thing, you have no idea what "Communist" is and isn't." Got a link showing where "all you Liberals (sic)" say it? Don't be a coward and run away.
I divided "Communist" and "Core" since I wanted to highlight your ignorance of communism and address your ignorance of Common Core's origins separately. That is not a formatting error, but I'm not surprised that you're too stupid and whiny to see it.
Again, Common Core, good or bad, is the creation of the GOP-dominated Governor's Association, not the "Democratic Party". It's not my problem that you're too stupid to look this up and too wussy to try.
"What idiot come (sic) up with Common Core (sic, no question mark)" - The "top teacher" you're referring to is illiterate.
Not in the eyes of the state and school district she serves. You screwed the pooch again.
Legal, illegal - your slaver loving ancestors got their asses kicked 150 years ago. Grow up and get over it.
So they lost!! I have no problem with that. But I do enjoy finding how history taught in our schools is so manipulated. The Northern history has a lot of fallacy in it.
Just watch in the future, they will claim Obama was one of the greatest presidents in history, when he don't have enough experience to be an assistant manager at McDonald's. Sarah Palin would have made a far superior POTUS than Obama, at least she was a successful Governor, Obama was a nothing state legislator and out of the 4 years he was in the US Senate, he only worked 164 days and was paid for them all. Obama has always been a failure
The South has had plenty of time since to demonstrate the superiority you hallucinate.
Even after the war, the south was still occupied and moneys controlled by northern carpet bagger's.
Instead, it continues to fail relative to the North by almost every measure.
Now I know you're full of shit, take a good look at Detroit for instance, then look at the south. We have most all of the car manufacturers down here. And in SC alone Nikki Haley has brought in many new businesses.
If the South had won the illegal immigrants would be Southerners.
I doubt it!! SC believes in obeying the immigration laws that were in the Constitution from 100+ years ago.
Don't be such a victim. it's pitiful.
I'm not a victim, and never will be.
O Really wrote:... Read some of the articles about the Earth being 6,000 years old. Pretty clear, but not necessarily true....
In a lot of ways science is just an opinion of how things work. In today's time very few if any scientist believe in a Supreme Creator, so they theorize in their minds a conclusion to how the earth and the heavens came to be, and it wasn't a big bang. The Bible explains Gods time as a day is of a thousand years, so we really have no real comprehension between our time and Gods. But according to Jewish historical writings, the earth is in the neighborhood of 6,000 years old.
Vrede wrote:No, your "descriptions" make me laugh, Ragin Rebel. I'm not annoyed a bit, I just think it's pathetic and juvenile for you to dish it out and then whine like a toddler when it comes back at you. Now, you're even claiming that you "don't care" about what you whined about.
Pitiful whine from cowards throughout history: "I am not a Coward."
No one cares what your ancestors "thought about slavery". If they opposed slavery and still fought on behalf of it that makes them even dumber.
Lots of people had "real problem with" slavery and "legal" is irrelevant.
Slavery was specifically cited in the state secession documents and the "So what???" is that you've been denying the war was about slavery. Try to keep up.
Yes, POTUSes have executive authority and ones acting as CiC even more so. Civics much?
Cowardly deflection. You whined that Lincoln wasn't dictatorial enough by freeing them in all states.
"lefty's (sic)" - Marxists and liberals are still different but you're too cowardly to admit it.
"This nation was founded on Godly principals." - Which of the founders were religious school administrators?
Since Eve came from Adam's rib the DNA was identical and it was "Adam and Steve".
"The Bible … Case closed" - LOL, the founders you cite "when it fits your agenda" deliberately left God out of the Constitution. Deal with it.
"congress … Constitutional" - More illiteracy.
"common defence" and "general Welfare" are given equal weight in the Constitution. Civics much?
The "States Rights" your slaver loving ancestors "fought to defend" was the right to own other humans. The state secession documents "Prove" it. Grow up and own it.
I see, "the state and school district she serves" thinks "What idiot come (sic) up with Common Core (sic, no question mark)" is proper English. Hmmm.
Sarah Palin is a quitter.
All "history has a lot of fallacy in it". For example, your posts here.
"Even after the war, the south (sic) was still occupied and moneys controlled by northern carpet bagger's (sic)." So? It's been a long time since Reconstruction.
Detroit is in the North but is not all of it, dummy. Name one social or economic measure where the South as a whole exceeds the North. Good luck and don't run away from the challenge.
Damn, you're dumb. My point was that Southerners would be economic illegal immigrants to the North.
"science is just an opinion of how things work" - LOL, that's religion. Science tests its theories and discards disproved ones. Religion relies on untestable claims and gullible dupes like you while cleaving to disproved fantasies.
I am not speaking for Vrede; only myself, but wish to reply to your comments. The Bible says "the kingdom of God is within you." I grew up going to church and eventually realized the blatant hypocrisy it represented; this was in the late 50's and early 60's. I don't consider myself "superior" to anyone but maybe more intelligent in certain ways....I can't run plumbing pipes or electrical wires, but others can, and I don't consider them superior to me because of it. I'm against abortion as a form of birth control, but defend and support a woman's right to have an abortion should she choose to (you'd rather have another "useless breather and feeder" foisted upon a single mother who realized she can't raise a child in an appropriate way)? I don't justify normal or deviant behavior, but I do justify equal rights for all citizens. The science on global warming is far from being debunked, and is, in fact, becoming more proven as time goes on. Al Gore is worth far less than the Bush family, champions of big oil and Saudi Princes. Finally, I'm far from closed minded, but you're all the way there and will never be anywhere else. Furthermore, as Admiral of the Fleet, I would make you an anchor.Ragin Rebel wrote:Vrede, your ramblings and opinions don't make you or anyone of your mind set right. Your failure to have faith in a Supreme creator, and the fact that your kind seem to think of them selves as their own god, and your false sense of superiority, makes you a lost cause. You believe though that it's alright to kill unborn children, you try to justify deviant behavior as normal, and you think that man is causing global warming. Facts are you're not a god, you're not really that smart as a total package, and you're superior to no none. As soon as a child is conceived, it has a soul and is a human being, not a fetus that you can just rip out and throw away like trash, and your kind don't feel any guilt or remorse for the innocent child you just murdered. And just like with electricity or plumbing, if you don't have the right receptacles on the chord or the wrong fitting on the pipe, you get no electricity, you get no water, any dumbass can figure that out. And as far as you theories on global warming, the science has been debunked and the people like Al Gore have been brought into the light as scam artist to bilk billions of dollars from working people as they profit.
I guess it's a very sad life you lead. But as far as I'm concerned, you're a waste of time, just like all closed minded people in this world today.