The LEO thread

[O Really]

So it looks like everybody involved in the Ft. Lauderdale shooting did a really good job. It was reported that it was only about 70 seconds from the time the guy first shot and when he was captured. There were numerous well-armed police people around, all working in a chaotic environment. All of whom knew the guy they were dealing with was a real shooter, armed with a real gun. All their lives were without doubt in danger. Yet they managed not to shoot the perp.

So how is it so many unarmed guys who haven't done must worse than be drunk and rowdy get killed by cops? Other than being black, of course, but doesn't the work of the FLL cops make them look like wimpy scaredy cats?

On the other hand, given what the guy had just done, one might wonder why they didn't shoot him. Surely nobody would have cared.

[Vrede too]

Rapid, heavily armed response is a certainty in airports. But, I don't think they did much.

... Over the course of about 45 seconds, the shooter reloaded twice, he said. When he was out of bullets, he walked away, dropped the gun and lay face down, spread eagle on the floor ...

[O Really]

From the article...
"Santiago spoke to investigators for several hours after he opened fire with a Walther 9mm semi-automatic handgun that he appears to have legally checked on a flight from Alaska. He had two magazines with him and emptied both of them, firing about 15 rounds, before he was arrested, the complaint said."

So he really re-loaded only once. And apparently did not have high capacity magazines. If he retrieved his gun, loaded it with the first magazine before he attracted attention, then blasted away and re-loaded with the other, it wouldn't take much time at all. You can empty a magazine in 3 seconds.

[Vrede too]

I heard that there are limits on how much ammo can fly, don't know what they are. I guess we're lucky that he didn't land, go buy more ammo and come back to the airport.

If the gun has been loaded at some point in the past is every load a reload?

[rstrong]

The NRA conspiritards are probably confused: "Was it Obama who created this false flag incident to take away everyone's guns, or was it Trump?"

[O Really]

I knew you could take a firearm in checked baggage, but I didn't know you could also take ammunition and pick it up at the regular baggage area. What fool thought that was reasonable? Oh yeah, it must have been the "Florida man" legislator who introduced a bill just a few weeks ago to allow open carry in baggage area. That would have been really good. Bad guy takes out his piece and starts shooting. Other supposedly "good" guys take out guns and shoot him, then each other because they can't tell who started it and people are still shooting. Idiots.

[Vrede too]

The NRA conspiritards are probably confused: "Was it Obama who created this false flag incident to take away everyone's guns, or was it Trump?"

Putin, in order to disarm Americans.

[O Really]

Rapid, heavily armed response is a certainty in airports. But, I don't think they did much.

Knowing when to shoot and when not to is part of the skills of the job. A part apparently not taught in a lot of police departments. I'm thinking that clown in Charleston that shot the unarmed guy running away from him because he "feared for his life" would probably have emptied his gun at the shooter while he was lying on the floor. Maybe nobody would have cared, but still...

[Vrede too]

That clown in Charleston didn't know that he was being recorded, they all do in airports.

[Vrede too]

Argument Over Grilled Cheese Sandwich Leads to Armed Standoff With Police

... Authorities finally managed to subdue Blackwell with pepper balls – a non-lethal means ...

As O Really often points out, the cops would have killed a black ammosexual idiot that did the same thing.

[Boatrocker]

Argument Over Grilled Cheese Sandwich Leads to Armed Standoff With Police

... Authorities finally managed to subdue Blackwell with pepper balls – a non-lethal means ...

As O Really often points out, the cops would have killed a black ammosexual idiot that did the same thing.

And maybe burned the house down in the process.

[Vrede too]

Phone recording contradicts (Palm Beach Gardens, FL) cop in I-95 roadside shooting of musician Corey Jones

:cussing:

[Vrede too]

911 Dispatcher Helps Save Woman Locked in Trunk of Moving Car in North Carolina

[Vrede too]

Vote NO on Sen. Sessions for Attorney General (petition)

[Vrede too]

http://www.blueridgedebate.com/viewtopi ... ion#p70391

(Vrede too) hates cops,

Lie, as usual. I've worked much more closely with cops for longer than Mr.B ever has. In fact, my last post to The LEO thread was pro-cop. I just hate bad cops, in part because they are bad for good cops.

FBI investigated white supremacists infiltrating law enforcement agencies: Report
The FBI feared conservative backlash in bringing a shocking report to light

According to a classified FBI counterterrorism policy guide obtained by The Intercept, “white supremacists and other domestic extremists” have been joining law enforcement agencies across the United States.

“Domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers,” the FBI’s guide states. Detailing the ways the FBI places individuals on a terrorism watch list, the Known or Suspected Terrorism File.

Despite the evident threat posed by these right-wing extremists, law enforcement has failed to acknowledge proper ways to combat, or even address the systemic issue.

“No centralized recruitment process or set of national standards exists for the 18,000 law enforcement agencies in the United States, many of which have deep historical connections to racist ideologies. As a result, state and local police as well as sheriff’s departments present ample opportunities for white supremacists and other right-wing extremists looking to expand their power base,” The Intercept wrote....

The report came about after widespread instances of abuse, including a local sheriff’s department that formed a neo-Nazi gang that consistently terrorized black and latino communities, and a police detective in Chicago rumored to be a KKK member that tortured at least 120 black men throughout his career, to name a few....

Despite re-establishing the Domestic Terrorism Task Force in 2014, the majority of the government’s efforts to thwart extremism was focused on foreign groups, rather than domestic.

“Critics fear that the backlash following the 2009 DHS report hindered further action against the growing white supremacist threat, and that it was largely ignored because the issue was so politically controversial,” The Intercept wrote.

The Intercept cited sociologist Pete Simi, who has studied for decades the rapid increase in white supremacists in both law enforcement and the military. Simi conducted a study finding at least 31 percent of individuals indicted for right wing extremist activities, to have military experience.

[Mr.B]

Now comes Vrede's petition to the FBI to cease their investigation of White Supremacists.

[rstrong]

Now comes Vrede's petition to the FBI to cease their investigation of White Supremacists.

That's what we're expecting from you.

[Vrede too]

Mr.B's an obsessed idiot, again. While I oppose blanket surveillance of all Americans, I'm fine with targeted terrorism investigations as long as they're aimed at all terrorists rather than just Muslim ones. Of course, this includes bigoted, America-hating Mr.B's fellow travelers.

in just the past 100 years Christians have slaughtered millions more people than Muslims have.
In just the past 25 years we have the worst massacre in Europe, Srebrenica, carried out by Christians, and the bloodiest terrorist in northern Europe, Anders Behring Breivik, a Christian.
Or, here in the US, each decade since the 1970s most domestic terror attacks have been perpetrated by white, male (often Christian) cons.

Here's an incomplete list of white, male (often Christian) con domestic terrorism since the early 1990s:

Army of God, Eric Robert Rudolph, Centennial Olympic Park bombing
Aryan Nations
Klan, Michael Donald
The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord
Jewish Defense League
The Order
Phineas Priesthood
Oklahoma City bombing
Anti-abortion violence: David Gunn (murdered by Michael F. Griffin), John Britton and James Barrett (victims of Reverend Paul Jennings Hill), Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols (killed by John Salvi), James Kopp killed at least one, Scott Roeder killed George Tiller
Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting
Andrew Joseph Stack
Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting
Jerad and Amanda Miller
Larry Steven McQuilliams
2011 January 17: Spokane Bombing attempt
Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting
Jewish Defenders
Jewish Direct Action
Richard White, devout Jehovah’s Witness
Dylann Roof
2015 arson attacks at Planned Parenthood clinics in New Orleans, Louisiana; Pullman, Washington; Thousand Oaks, California; and Aurora, Illinois
Robert Lewis Dear, Jr.
Eric Feight, Glendon Scott Crawford

Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/ta ... hreat.html

Franklin Graham Should Worry About Radicalizing Right-Wing Christians, Not Muslims
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim-ras ... lp00000592

You Are More Than 7 Times As Likely To Be Killed By A Right-Wing Extremist Than By Muslim Terrorists
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/1 ... errorists/

The Growing Right-Wing Terror Threat
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opini ... hreat.html

[Vrede too]

NYPD sergeant guilty of raping 13-year-old girl

Ewww. Think the name "Vladimir Krull" was a clue?

[Mr.B]

"Now comes Vrede's petition to the FBI to cease their investigation of White Supremacists."

"That's what we're expecting from you."

Yeah, well, I debated whether or not to reveal Vrede's plan.

"Mr.B's an obsessed idiot, again.... "
Obsessed with what? I'll settle for "again" as opposed to your being a continual idiot.

"..in just the past 100 years Christians have slaughtered millions more people than Muslims have."
What are you bitchin' at me for...? I wasn't around then!