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The last actual liberal to run was McGovern, who got his ass massively handed to him by Nixon, who himself would get run out on a rail by today's republic standards. Since then, Dems have run away from the term and largely abandoned the principles.
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What O Really says.
Plus, the RepuQs have shown us that celebrity matters more than the left-right spectrum. Idk if Stein has the riz, but he looked good on Colbert. Meanwhile, TACO Don's demand economy policies are right out of the authoritarian socialist playbook, as Whack9 has pointed out.
It's always intimidated me. 

Nor is Hillary or John Kerry, and Al Gore is way more left now than he was in 2000. It would be great if SoupySales' paranoid fears were real, but the Dems just aren't in the habit of nominating progressives.
Plus, the RepuQs have shown us that celebrity matters more than the left-right spectrum. Idk if Stein has the riz, but he looked good on Colbert. Meanwhile, TACO Don's demand economy policies are right out of the authoritarian socialist playbook, as Whack9 has pointed out.
She was unfortunate enough to be a woman and a woman of color who could actually smile and laugh and string together two sentences without weaving.
The horror.


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This is exactly why the democrat party is struggling. Being in denial that Kamala is not considered far left is the proof. The point about Carter and Clinton is well made. They did govern as moderates. Biden and Obama ran as moderates. Please keep going down the current road.
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Being "considered far left" by far rightists in the republic party isn't the same as actually holding a far left philosophy. Boogiemen of the "far left" used to be "commies" or "socialists", then civil rights people. Now you can become a boogieman of the left by advocating health insurance for everybody.Supsalemgr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:23 amThis is exactly why the democrat party is struggling. Being in denial that Kamala is not considered far left is the proof. The point about Carter and Clinton is well made. They did govern as moderates. Biden and Obama ran as moderates. Please keep going down the current road.
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It's almost like they're believing a trump campaign "speech." 

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Pffft, Kamala was a prosecutor, not a resume plus for lefties. She supports fracking, she never signed on to the Green New Deal and she opposed 'Medicare for All'. They're not the only planks, but they are critical pillars of any "far left" agenda. SoupySales would benefit from introductory PoliSci courses. Maybe the phrase is his synonym for 'Black woman'.
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Yeah, but with DonOld screechingVrede too wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 3:48 pmPffft, Kamala was a prosecutor, not a resume plus for lefties. She supports fracking, she never signed on to the Green New Deal and she opposed 'Medicare for All'. They're not the only planks, but they are critical pillars of any "far left" agenda. SoupySales would benefit from introductory PoliSci courses. Maybe the phrase is his synonym for 'Black woman'.
COMMUNIST! COMMUNIST! COMMUNIST! COMMUNIST!
SOCIALIST! SOCIALIST! SOCIALIST! SOCIALIST! SOCIALIST!
At every campaign rally the weak minded are going to believe it.
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Biden couldn't remember his mumbling at campaign rallies. Kamala was overjoyed to be given his spot.1 CAT FAN wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:04 pmYou taking a jab at Biden's mental health?![]()
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Sometimes, TACO Don also screeches at the same time
FASCIST! FASCIST! FASCIST! FASCIST! FASCIST! FASCIST!
He and his cultists are too ignorant to see the contradiction.
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The good news for the left with Kamala is she has been on so many side of an issue one can always find some examples of her positions. Speaking of positions - never mind.Vrede too wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 3:48 pmPffft, Kamala was a prosecutor, not a resume plus for lefties. She supports fracking, she never signed on to the Green New Deal and she opposed 'Medicare for All'. They're not the only planks, but they are critical pillars of any "far left" agenda. SoupySales would benefit from introductory PoliSci courses. Maybe the phrase is his synonym for 'Black woman'.
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She would have to be "Rainbow" colored to be considered far left?Vrede too wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 3:48 pmPffft, Kamala was a prosecutor, not a resume plus for lefties. She supports fracking, she never signed on to the Green New Deal and she opposed 'Medicare for All'. They're not the only planks, but they are critical pillars of any "far left" agenda. SoupySales would benefit from introductory PoliSci courses. Maybe the phrase is his synonym for 'Black woman'.
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Isn't the ability/willingness to adapt to different circumstances and change position according to context the very definition of "moderate"? A person whose position never changes is one who either never thinks again or is oblivious to the environment around him.Supsalemgr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:13 am
The good news for the left with Kamala is she has been on so many side of an issue one can always find some examples of her positions.
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Being wishy-washy is not my definition of a moderate although many moderates have this characteristic. I would define a moderate as one whose beliefs are not far right or far left.O Really wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:53 amIsn't the ability/willingness to adapt to different circumstances and change position according to context the very definition of "moderate"? A person whose position never changes is one who either never thinks again or is oblivious to the environment around him.Supsalemgr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:13 am
The good news for the left with Kamala is she has been on so many side of an issue one can always find some examples of her positions.
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"Wishy-washy" is usually used as a derogotory term, but put in a practical context, a change in position/beliefs may be a very good thing. F'rinstance, if you firmly believe that taking a certain route home from the office is the best, fastest, and safest way and you go that way every day without thinking about it, you may not see the bridge out until it's too late. Put into political terms, you may firmly believe that vaccines cause autism, but when presented with credible scientific evidence, changing that opinion would be a sign of intelligence and awareness, not of "wishy-washy" weakness.Supsalemgr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:38 amBeing wishy-washy is not my definition of a moderate although many moderates have this characteristic. I would define a moderate as one whose beliefs are not far right or far left.O Really wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:53 amIsn't the ability/willingness to adapt to different circumstances and change position according to context the very definition of "moderate"? A person whose position never changes is one who either never thinks again or is oblivious to the environment around him.Supsalemgr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:13 am
The good news for the left with Kamala is she has been on so many side of an issue one can always find some examples of her positions.
Also, some issues have a "middle ground" and some do not. I'll gladly discuss whether taxes should be higher or lower, and maybe find it reasonable to split the difference, to arrive at a balance of change in spending and/or change in revenue collection. But there is no middle ground on willful violation of the Constitution in an attempt to intentionally cause harm to the US government. If that makes me "far left" so be it.
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My comments were not about you personally.O Really wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:07 pm"Wishy-washy" is usually used as a derogotory term, but put in a practical context, a change in position/beliefs may be a very good thing. F'rinstance, if you firmly believe that taking a certain route home from the office is the best, fastest, and safest way and you go that way every day without thinking about it, you may not see the bridge out until it's too late. Put into political terms, you may firmly believe that vaccines cause autism, but when presented with credible scientific evidence, changing that opinion would be a sign of intelligence and awareness, not of "wishy-washy" weakness.Supsalemgr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:38 amBeing wishy-washy is not my definition of a moderate although many moderates have this characteristic. I would define a moderate as one whose beliefs are not far right or far left.O Really wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:53 amIsn't the ability/willingness to adapt to different circumstances and change position according to context the very definition of "moderate"? A person whose position never changes is one who either never thinks again or is oblivious to the environment around him.Supsalemgr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:13 am
The good news for the left with Kamala is she has been on so many side of an issue one can always find some examples of her positions.
Also, some issues have a "middle ground" and some do not. I'll gladly discuss whether taxes should be higher or lower, and maybe find it reasonable to split the difference, to arrive at a balance of change in spending and/or change in revenue collection. But there is no middle ground on willful violation of the Constitution in an attempt to intentionally cause harm to the US government. If that makes me "far left" so be it.
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It's funny that a worshiper of former liberal Dem, TACO Don (a label created by investors, not lefties), would post that about Kamala. The only consistency for the Grifter in Chief, our most corrupt POTUS ever, is that he will take the often contradictory position that benefits him personally in the moment. Even his White supremacy will get shucked at the drop of a hat.O Really wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:53 amIsn't the ability/willingness to adapt to different circumstances and change position according to context the very definition of "moderate"? A person whose position never changes is one who either never thinks again or is oblivious to the environment around him.
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Which side of the jackass would a leftist that resides in a gated community be considered?Supsalemgr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:15 pmMy comments were not about you personally.O Really wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:07 pm"Wishy-washy" is usually used as a derogotory term, but put in a practical context, a change in position/beliefs may be a very good thing. F'rinstance, if you firmly believe that taking a certain route home from the office is the best, fastest, and safest way and you go that way every day without thinking about it, you may not see the bridge out until it's too late. Put into political terms, you may firmly believe that vaccines cause autism, but when presented with credible scientific evidence, changing that opinion would be a sign of intelligence and awareness, not of "wishy-washy" weakness.Supsalemgr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:38 amBeing wishy-washy is not my definition of a moderate although many moderates have this characteristic. I would define a moderate as one whose beliefs are not far right or far left.O Really wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:53 amIsn't the ability/willingness to adapt to different circumstances and change position according to context the very definition of "moderate"? A person whose position never changes is one who either never thinks again or is oblivious to the environment around him.Supsalemgr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:13 am
The good news for the left with Kamala is she has been on so many side of an issue one can always find some examples of her positions.
Also, some issues have a "middle ground" and some do not. I'll gladly discuss whether taxes should be higher or lower, and maybe find it reasonable to split the difference, to arrive at a balance of change in spending and/or change in revenue collection. But there is no middle ground on willful violation of the Constitution in an attempt to intentionally cause harm to the US government. If that makes me "far left" so be it.
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Understood, but if it fits, I'll wear it.
I largely subscribe to "situational ethics" which says that the right thing to do is dependent on the existing circumstances. And easy example is the "Jean Valjean" dilemma in which you believe it is wrong to steal, but you would steal bread to feed your starving child. A person representing, or leading, a highly diverse population with often conflicting and sometimes mutually exclusive interests can't expect to rigidly adhere to "one size fits all" solutions.
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Why not, you're residing in a gated community.O Really wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 1:54 pmUnderstood, but if it fits, I'll wear it.
I largely subscribe to "situational ethics" which says that the right thing to do is dependent on the existing circumstances. And easy example is the "Jean Valjean" dilemma in which you believe it is wrong to steal, but you would steal bread to feed your starving child. A person representing, or leading, a highly diverse population with often conflicting and sometimes mutually exclusive interests can't expect to rigidly adhere to "one size fits all" solutions.
