The Religion Thread

[Mr.B]

"....... nor can anyone actually know or predict God's Plan."

"I can't tell you how many times I've seen "Come Learn about God's Plan for You" or some variation thereof on signs outside Protestant churches.
Maybe they know something you don't?"
I know this part of God's Plan: "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." I would have to say this is what they are speaking of.

What I meant by "not knowing God's Plan" that I spoke of in the above first quote, was that beyond personal salvation, we cannot know what will happen in any one individual's destiny. God gave us the option of choosing our path in life, (Romans 1:26-31) however, we as humans cannot foresee anyone else's eventual end.


"Some even say God told them personally about it..."
God is not a respecter of persons; He holds no one individual above anyone else... (Romans 2:11)
I know of no one to whom God has spoken to in an audible voice; I'm sure there are those who claim He has and bragged about it....
besides bearing false witness, that is a form of taking the Lord's name in vain.

[rstrong]

If you're a homeless Canadian petty criminal turning to religion for a fresh start, God's plan for you is this:

- Discover religion.

- Make fanatical religious thug comments on FaceBook, to the point that police are waiting to take away your passport when you....

- Try to travel overseas to join other fanatical religious thugs.

- Murder the nearest unarmed soldier, and then quickly....

- Get killed by police.

This has happened twice this week here.

[rstrong]

He had a plan too

Too bad the writers didn't.

[Mr.B]

If you're a criminal turning to religion for a fresh start, Satan's plan for you is this:

- Discover religion.

- Make fanatical religious thug comments on FaceBook, to the point that police are waiting to take away your passport when you....

- Try to travel overseas to join other fanatical religious thugs.

- Murder the nearest citizen, or group of school children and then quickly....

- Get killed by police or turn your gun on yourself.

This has happened many times, and it's going to happen again....somewhere.

[rstrong]

Both losers claimed to be doing God's will, not Satan's.

[Mr.B]

"Both losers claimed to be doing God's will, not Satan's."

[O Really]

If you're a criminal turning to religion for a fresh start, Satan's plan for you is this:

....

Wait - you say nobody can know God's plan, but you know "Satan's plan? Sounds suspicious to me. Is Satan's plan available online or do you have to play a fiddle for it?

[rstrong]

"Both losers claimed to be doing God's will, not Satan's."

So has every Pope, through many religious wars and crusades and the odd genocide - with the Church still backing their decisions. So did Bush II, while turning the country into a torture state - with 2012 Republican "Christian Values" candidates Bachmann, Santorum, Cain and Perry all shaking their pom-poms for torture in 2012. I could put together one VERY long list.

Your point?

[bannination]

"Both losers claimed to be doing God's will, not Satan's."

Since according to the myth, Satan can't do anything without god's permission, it doesn't matter because by God letting it happen, it is his will for it to happen.

[bannination]

He had a plan too

Too bad the writers didn't.

Oh man I know.... biggest disappointment evar....

Glad someone got the reference :>

[rstrong]

"Both losers claimed to be doing God's will, not Satan's."

Since according to the myth, Satan can't do anything without god's permission, it doesn't matter because by God letting it happen, it is his will for it to happen.

Sounds like the Trinity is actually a Quadrilateral.

[JTA]

He had a plan too

Too bad the writers didn't.

Oh man I know.... biggest disappointment evar....

Glad someone got the reference :>

What is that from?

[bannination]

He had a plan too

Too bad the writers didn't.

Oh man I know.... biggest disappointment evar....

Glad someone got the reference :>

What is that from?

Battlestar Galatica, not the old ones. It was a great piece of cinema, but they started jumping shark towards the end of the series. The ending was.... horrible.

It's not cheesy like the old ones, it's very serious and very thought provoking. The show was based on the premise that "they had a plan"... it seems they did not.

[JTA]

He had a plan too

Too bad the writers didn't.

Oh man I know.... biggest disappointment evar....

Glad someone got the reference :>

What is that from?

Battlestar Galatica, not the old ones. It was a great piece of cinema, but they started jumping shark towards the end of the series. The ending was.... horrible.

It's not cheesy like the old ones, it's very serious and very thought provoking. The show was based on the premise that "they had a plan"... it seems they did not.

Might have to check that out next.

[Mr.B]

"Is Satan's plan available online or do you have to play a fiddle for it?"

All you have to do is look around you; online is particularly the best place to start....beginning here.

[O Really]

"Is Satan's plan available online or do you have to play a fiddle for it?"

All you have to do is look around you; online is particularly the best place to start....beginning here.

You may think it's a snarky question. It's not. How can you claim to know Satan's plan but not God's plan when both are outside the physical realm, and within the realm of the infinite.

[Mr.B]

My reply was not intended to be snarky either.

First off, in reply to Banni's saying that Satan can't do anything without god's permission, that is not entirely true. God limited Satan's attacks on Job as means to show that Satan cannot defeat God and that a true man of God will not bow to Satan. Inasmuch as man has free will to decide whether or not to accept God, Satan's plan is to garner all the souls he can muster, and, unfortunately, he's doing a good job at it. Example: Satan isn't concerned with those who curse God and live their lives in immorality, greed, and perverseness; he's after the one's who want to live their lives in a Godly manner.....Satan is a mocker and a very powerful deity; he knows our weakness and how to use it to draw Believers away from God....hence, he's doing a good job. Greed, lust, murder, and general mayhem make good news stories; that's what I meant by 'look around you'; trusted public figures, churches, and church leaders are not exempt from his attacks and many are seduced by Satan......
This is Satan's plan.

I admit I don't know God's Plan for everyone; I know God's Plan for me. I also know that I am not a perfect individual.....if I was, I wouldn't need God.

[rstrong]

The show was based on the premise that "they had a plan"... it seems they did not.

They just plain didn't.

The whole "final 5" concept was invented on the spot a couple seasons in for episode where they were first mentioned. Without deciding *who* they were, until the episodes where they needed to pick.

(I saw very little of the show, but I was keeping up with what the producers were saying about it. A habit I got into when Babylon 5 was on the air, and the producer/writer was constantly posting to Usenet. Real-life behind-the-scenes stories can be far more interesting than a fictional series itself.)

For Babylon 5, the producer had whole series planned like a novel. The whole story was mapped out, with a history 200 years into the past and future. He had "trap doors" for each major character in case he lost one: The assistant for each ambassador for example could step into their story arc without major changes. Having written many "Murder She Wrote" episodes, the producer was a firm believer that if someone gets shot, you should be able to re-watch the story and see the gun on the mantle earlier on. You can watch the original pilot, and not only see the setup for events that happen a couple seasons later, but the setup for events that *would have* happened had they not lost certain actors.

Battlestar Galactica on the other hand went the route of X-Files and Lost: Keep piling on layer after layer of mystery, with no thought given to how to explain it later. Just keep ratings high with new mysteries. Only the first run's revenue matters, so the inevitable let-down - the inability to explain it all - at the end of the series is OK. There's no re-watching earlier episodes and seeing references or hints regarding the "final 5" or other later story elements, because they weren't thought of then.

[indago]

Both losers claimed to be doing God's will, not Satan's.

God was into killing the infidel...

[rstrong]

Both losers claimed to be doing God's will, not Satan's.

God was into killing the infidel...

...The infidel including anyone in your own religion, but of a different denomination. There were religious genocide and atrocities between Christian denominations right into the last century, and between Muslim denominations right into this century.