College basketball

[Vrede too]

Did you see bammer’s “almost” buzzer beater? More than half the ball went below the rim as it circled the rim to rise and come out.

I did not see it live.

Creighton University - Roman Catholic (Jesuit)



There is a basketball god

I can’t find the close up slow motion clip they showed over and over. The ball goes more than half below the rim, but has so much spin it climbs out as it circles the basket. I’m pretty much for certain that I didn’t dream it.
And yes, there is a basketball god.

I believe you. I just quit searching after finding this long distance view, which was difficult enough.

[billy.pilgrim]

I can’t find the close up slow motion clip they showed over and over. The ball goes more than half below the rim, but has so much spin it climbs out as it circles the basket. I’m pretty much for certain that I didn’t dream it.
And yes, there is a basketball god.

I believe you. I just quit searching after finding this long distance view, which was difficult enough.

I wonder if CBS or ESPN or whoever has the rights is holding it out for their own network’s use. Maybe it will be available in a week or two.

[billy.pilgrim]

vs USC
Sir Charles is there
King James is not

Maybe LeBron knew how bad it would be.

[billy.pilgrim]

I can’t find the close up slow motion clip they showed over and over. The ball goes more than half below the rim, but has so much spin it climbs out as it circles the basket. I’m pretty much for certain that I didn’t dream it.
And yes, there is a basketball god.

I believe you. I just quit searching after finding this long distance view, which was difficult enough.

I wonder if CBS or ESPN or whoever has the rights is holding it out for their own network’s use. Maybe it will be available in a week or two.

https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1736 ... 0996?s=20

No video, but here’s a still shot

[Vrede too]

I wonder if CBS or ESPN or whoever has the rights is holding it out for their own network’s use. Maybe it will be available in a week or two.

Nice still shot! GoBama-HatingGodGo!

vs USC
Sir Charles is there
King James is not

Maybe LeBron knew how bad it would be.

91-75 WDE, congrats.

Bronny only played 14 minutes and scored 5 points.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... /401583798

Maybe LeBron will travel when he works his way into being a starter.

[billy.pilgrim]

I wonder if CBS or ESPN or whoever has the rights is holding it out for their own network’s use. Maybe it will be available in a week or two.

Nice still shot! GoBama-HatingGodGo!

vs USC
Sir Charles is there
King James is not

Maybe LeBron knew how bad it would be.

91-75 WDE, congrats.

Bronny only played 14 minutes and scored 5 points.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... /401583798

Maybe LeBron will travel when he works his way into being a starter.

Hard to believe that ball came out.

[Vrede too]

Hard to believe that ball came out.

All things are possible with faith in basketball god

Sold out Neville Arena, 9,121. Nice!

[billy.pilgrim]

Hard to believe that ball came out.

All things are possible with faith in basketball god

Sold out Neville Arena, 9,121. Nice!

During Christmas break and students were in line at 4:30 a.m.

[billy.pilgrim]

Bragging this early in a season, especially basketball, usually comes back to bite later on, but damn we’ve been consistently in the top 15 of all the main computer rankings and are currently #8 in the KenPom, yet we’re still a no-show on the ap top 25.

[O Really]

Bragging this early in a season, especially basketball, usually comes back to bite later on, but damn we’ve been consistently in the top 15 of all the main computer rankings and are currently #8 in the KenPom, yet we’re still a no-show on the ap top 25.

'Bammer selectors.

[billy.pilgrim]

Bragging this early in a season, especially basketball, usually comes back to bite later on, but damn we’ve been consistently in the top 15 of all the main computer rankings and are currently #8 in the KenPom, yet we’re still a no-show on the ap top 25.

'Bammer selectors.

They aren’t in the top 25 either, but are #9 in KenPom

Still though, it’s way too early to argue rankings

[Vrede too]

Bragging this early in a season, especially basketball, usually comes back to bite later on, but damn we’ve been consistently in the top 15 of all the main computer rankings and are currently #8 in the KenPom, yet we’re still a no-show on the ap top 25.

'Bammer selectors.

They aren’t in the top 25 either, but are #9 in KenPom

Still though, it’s way too early to argue rankings

Historically, the SEC other than KY and FL has neither deserved nor gotten basketball respect. KY last became champion in 2012, Florida in 2007. The last SEC champion other than KY or FL was the Piggies in 1994. Neither WDE nor Bama has ever played in a championship game since MM began in 1939.

[billy.pilgrim]

Bragging this early in a season, especially basketball, usually comes back to bite later on, but damn we’ve been consistently in the top 15 of all the main computer rankings and are currently #8 in the KenPom, yet we’re still a no-show on the ap top 25.

'Bammer selectors.

They aren’t in the top 25 either, but are #9 in KenPom

Still though, it’s way too early to argue rankings

Historically, the SEC other than KY and FL has neither deserved nor gotten basketball respect. KY last became champion in 2012, Florida in 2007. The last SEC champion other than KY or FL was the Piggies in 1994. Neither WDE nor Bama has ever played in a championship game since MM began in 1939.

“Historically” true, as long as you don’t include the past few years. Don’t forget that Auburn came so close to the championship game that it took a blatant bad call in the very last second of the game to give Virginia the game.
I haven’t followed either, but I thought that Tennessee and Vandy were basketball schools.

The below makes the discrepancies just look like discrepancies. While Kentucky and UNC get an ap bump, not so with Duke.
The season is young
For no other reason than to waste time I compared the ap top 25 to the KenPom. Mostly there was a sort of consistency with a few way offs, but that’s typical college basketball. It’s often not the most predictable game, yet some of the differences are just a bit crazy. A 10 or 12 point difference isn’t that big of a deal this early in the season, but these differences sea bit extreme, especially for those at JM and U of M

19 Auburn
29 Alabama
40 James Madison
58 Mississippi

AP — Ken Pom School

1. 2. Perdue
2. 12. Kansas
3. 1. Houston
4. 4. Arizona
5. 3. UConn
6. 6. Marquette
7. 19. Oklahoma
8. 7. Tennessee
9. 21. Kentucky
10. 15. Baylor
11. 20. UNC
12. 10. Creighton
13. 14. Illinois
14. 16. Fla. Atlantic
15. 18. Gonzaga
16. 29. Colorado State
17. 5. BYU
18. 25. Clemson
19. 33. Texas
20. 60. James Madison
21. 11. Duke
22. 38. Virginia
23. 26. Memphis
24. 17. Wisconsin
25. 83. Old Miss

27. 8 Auburn
30. 13. Iowa State
32. 23. Michigan State
34. 22. Texas A&M
38 9 Alabama

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“Historically” true, as long as you don’t include the past few years. Don’t forget that Auburn came so close to the championship game that it took a blatant bad call in the very last second of the game to give Virginia the game.

I have forgotten

I haven’t followed either, but I thought that Tennessee and Vandy were basketball schools.

The Vols and Vandy have never appeared in championship games. Not counting KY and FL the last SEC team to even play in a championship game was again the Piggies, in 1995. Maybe you're thinking of SEC championships

The below makes the discrepancies just look like discrepancies. While Kentucky and UNC get an ap bump, not so with Duke.
The season is young
For no other reason than to waste time I compared the ap top 25 to the KenPom.

Idk Ken Pomeroy and probably won't try to learn more. Off the top of my head I'm inclined to trust the AP poll's collective wisdom more than that of any single analyst. That said, I'm sure that Pomeroy influences some of the AP poll writers.

[billy.pilgrim]

“Historically” true, as long as you don’t include the past few years. Don’t forget that Auburn came so close to the championship game that it took a blatant bad call in the very last second of the game to give Virginia the game.

I have forgotten

I haven’t followed either, but I thought that Tennessee and Vandy were basketball schools.

The Vols and Vandy have never appeared in championship games. Not counting KY and FL the last SEC team to even play in a championship game was again the Piggies, in 1995. Maybe you're thinking of SEC championships

The below makes the discrepancies just look like discrepancies. While Kentucky and UNC get an ap bump, not so with Duke.
The season is young
For no other reason than to waste time I compared the ap top 25 to the KenPom.

Idk Ken Pomeroy and probably won't try to learn more. Off the top of my head I'm inclined to trust the AP poll's collective wisdom more than that of any single analyst. That said, I'm sure that Pomeroy influences some of the AP poll writers.

I thought that the KenPom was a respected computer ranking system.
My biggest complaint with the ap and even more so with the Coaches Poll is these individual voters can’t be up on enough teams to make a well informed assessment. Maybe that’s what you meant by “historical” - they’re mainly watching the legacy schools. But that doesn’t explain Duke. Maybe they’re watching too closely.


idk - it’s basketball

[billy.pilgrim]

Re Championships

I would put more importance on being consistently in the top eight as a mark of a good bball school over a single championship game.
I think that Auburn is becoming a basketball school, but I don’t think that had the ref made the right call and sent us to the Championship Game would have qualified us as a basketball school. On the other hand, if we start making the Elite Eight and the Final Four more often than not, Championship or no championship, I’d call us a basketball school.

[O Really]

Re Championships

I would put more importance on being consistently in the top eight as a mark of a good bball school over a single championship game.
I think that Auburn is becoming a basketball school, but I don’t think that had the ref made the right call and sent us to the Championship Game would have qualified us as a basketball school. On the other hand, if we start making the Elite Eight and the Final Four more often than not, Championship or no championship, I’d call us a basketball school.

I'd agree with that - actually winning the championship is often a matter of good fortune or somebody having an exceptionally good - or bad - day. Being in a position to compete for it year in and year out is more important to me.

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I thought that the KenPom was a respected computer ranking system.
My biggest complaint with the ap and even more so with the Coaches Poll is these individual voters can’t be up on enough teams to make a well informed assessment. Maybe that’s what you meant by “historical” - they’re mainly watching the legacy schools. But that doesn’t explain Duke. Maybe they’re watching too closely.

idk - it’s basketball

I'm sure the writers, who also may rely somewhat on various computer rankings, have variable levels of info and intelligence, but I still like the idea of a group product. If someone proves to me that any one computer ranking, which is necessarily limited by the subjective judgements of the programmer, consistently is a superior predictor of outcomes over the years I will start paying more attention.

By "Historically, the SEC other than KY and FL has neither deserved nor gotten basketball respect," I was mostly referring to MM results, not the biases of AP poll writers.

Re Championships

I would put more importance on being consistently in the top eight as a mark of a good bball school over a single championship game.
I think that Auburn is becoming a basketball school, but I don’t think that had the ref made the right call and sent us to the Championship Game would have qualified us as a basketball school. On the other hand, if we start making the Elite Eight and the Final Four more often than not, Championship or no championship, I’d call us a basketball school.

Fair enough, but that's too complicated with so many teams for me to make the comparisons If you know of someone that's calculated and compared Elite Eight and Final Four appearances for every team, I'm all ears.

Anyhow, I've not opined on whether WDE is "a basketball school." I merely expressed some understanding for why the SEC besides KY and FL doesn't get the respect from sportswriters that you think it deserves. Win more and that will change.

[billy.pilgrim]

I thought that the KenPom was a respected computer ranking system.
My biggest complaint with the ap and even more so with the Coaches Poll is these individual voters can’t be up on enough teams to make a well informed assessment. Maybe that’s what you meant by “historical” - they’re mainly watching the legacy schools. But that doesn’t explain Duke. Maybe they’re watching too closely.

idk - it’s basketball

I'm sure the writers, who also may rely somewhat on various computer rankings, have variable levels of info and intelligence, but I still like the idea of a group product. If someone proves to me that any one computer ranking, which is necessarily limited by the subjective judgements of the programmer, consistently is a superior predictor of outcomes over the years I will start paying more attention.

By "Historically, the SEC other than KY and FL has neither deserved nor gotten basketball respect," I was mostly referring to MM results, not the biases of AP poll writers.

Re Championships

I would put more importance on being consistently in the top eight as a mark of a good bball school over a single championship game.
I think that Auburn is becoming a basketball school, but I don’t think that had the ref made the right call and sent us to the Championship Game would have qualified us as a basketball school. On the other hand, if we start making the Elite Eight and the Final Four more often than not, Championship or no championship, I’d call us a basketball school.

Fair enough, but that's too complicated with so many teams for me to make the comparisons If you know of someone that's calculated and compared Elite Eight and Final Four appearances for every team, I'm all ears.

Anyhow, I've not opined on whether WDE is "a basketball school." I merely expressed some understanding for why the SEC besides KY and FL doesn't get the respect from sportswriters that you think it deserves. Win more and that will change.

I wasn’t talking about Auburn.
Based on my expressed criteria Auburn would not be a basketball school yet, but we are getting closer.

[billy.pilgrim]

Refs?

https://packinsider.com/2024/01/01/nc-s ... ing-and-1/