Gun Legislation

[O Really]

Yeah, I saw that on Daily Mail (interestingly before US media had even identified him!), and they had a screen shot of the page. Funny how even this morning nobody in US press is mentioning that even though they're reporting the "not religious - spiritual" and the rest.

[Vrede too]

It may be elsewhere, but I've only seen it in this one Thursday evening article.

"Stuff happens."
-- Jeb

Tell pro-NRA members of Congress:

"Your 'thoughts and prayers' for the families and friends of victims of gun violence are not enough when your hearts and votes are with the National Rifle Association. It’s time to put your constituents before the NRA."

[O Really]

It may be elsewhere, but I've only seen it in this one Thursday evening article.

"Stuff happens."
-- Jeb



" It’s time to put your constituents before the NRA."

Yeah, like that "stuff" is ever going to happen.

[Wneglia]

The Numbers

[Vrede too]

The Numbers

[O Really]

So - it seems the key factor in the US being willing to "do something" about killings is the degree of property damage and, to a lesser degree, the number of people killed all at once. That's really the only difference in 9/11 your garden variety school/mall shooting. Well, that and the garden variety school shooter isn't named any variation of Mohammed. But since 9/11, untold effort in terms of time, money, and regulation has occurred, totally changing the air travel experience as well as much else of "normal" life, spawning PATRIOT and its predictable consequences, and oh yeah -constant needless and quagmiring war.

If one airplane crashes, the investigation is lengthy and extensive and if and when the cause if found, efforts are made to change practices to avoid other instances. If an 18 wheeler crashes into a line of cars, new regulations are set forth immediately related to driver safety practices. After some increased public awareness of the dangers of drunk driving, we got higher drinking ages, lower legal limits, stiffer penalties, and public shaming of offenders. Hell, Janet Jackson's boob created more committee hearings, and actual legislation than Columbine.

Why doesn't outrage work for gun killings? I can think of only one answer, consisting of three letters, starting with N and ending with A.
Those would be the real terrorists.

[Wneglia]

[Vrede too]

Fair is fair. As we've noted here, babies regularly shoot idiot gun owners.

[homerfobe]

[homerfobe]

Obama's daughters go to school protected by 10-12 armed SS agents, yet he wants to take the guns of everyone else so as to deprive them of that right to protect their children.

[rstrong]

Obama's daughters go to school protected by 10-12 armed SS agents, yet he wants to take the guns of everyone else so as to deprive them of that right to protect their children.

Republicans spent the entire Clinton presidency claiming that he was a "tax and spend lib'rul" who would bankrupt the country. It didn't matter that he became the only President to balance the budget in the last 50 years. It didn't matter that Reagan, Bush and Bush II spent like drunken sailors by comparison. Republicans still cling to that belief.

It's the same thing with Obama and gun control. It doesn't matter that Obama's record makes both Reagan and Bush look anti-gun by comparison. (Really. Look it up.) It doesn't matter that the closest Obama has ever come to advocating gun control is to repeat the same calls for criminal background checks that NRA president Wayne LaPierre called for a few years earlier. (Really. Look it up.) Republicans, inbreds and the goddamned stupid still cling to your belief.

[Vrede too]

Have pity on homerfobe. Without his gunhugging compensating for his extreme lacks and his obsession with gay male sex, he doesn't exist at all.

[O Really]

It's interesting how willing the right-wingers are to demonstrate their thorough disdain for logic. F'rinstance, following the line of thought espoused by the "you really think criminals will obey gun laws," one would have to argue that there are no laws governing anything that make a difference.

Relate to the drunk driving laws. Sure, a lot of people still drive drunk, and a lot of them get caught and punished. A lot don't get caught. But overall, the number of deaths from drunk driving have gone down sharply since 1982 (when a lot of states had 18-year old and .10 limits and lower punishments), from 21,000 a year to under 10,000. So 10,000 is a lot of people killed, and the law hasn't kept all drunk people from driving, but it has clearly helped.

Following right-wing logic, those laws should never have been passed because compliance wouldn't be perfect. Idiots.

[O Really]

Maybe instead of more guns, we need more MMA... http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mma/bur ... li=AAa0dzB

[Vrede too]

Gun control advocates call for ousting Oregon sheriff over Sandy Hook conspiracy video

... Douglas County Sheriff John Hanlin, a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment, is under the microscope after a letter resurfaced that he had written to Vice President Joe Biden threatening not to enforce potential gun restrictions.

His esteem among gun control advocates suffered another hit following reports that he once shared a video on Facebook that suggested the U.S. government staged the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting to “disarm the public.”

"This makes me wonder who we can trust anymore," he wrote on the since-deleted post. "Watch, listen, and keep an open mind." ...

Tragic irony.

[Vrede too]

"At the present moment, a person who is insane, a man with a long criminal record of having killed a dozen people, can go in a buy a rifle ... Does that make any sense that you should put rifles and guns in the hands of people who have long criminal records or people who are insane or people who are mentally incompetent or people who are so young that they don't know how to handle rifles or guns?"

-- Robert F. Kennedy, Roseburg, Oregon, May 25, 1968, assassinated two weeks later

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11-Year-Old Faces Murder Charge After Shooting 8-Year-Old in White Pine, Tennessee

An 11-year-old boy is facing murder charges after using his father’s gun to shoot and kill 8-year-old McKayla Dyer at a White Pine, Tennessee trailer park on Saturday evening.

The boy, who was not identified by authorities due to his age, became upset with Dyer after she declined to let him see her puppy, WKRN reported. He then allegedly used his father’s gun to shoot and kill the girl. Dyer’s sister witnessed the incident....

The 11-year-old allegedly used his father’s 12 gauge single-shot shotgun. “In Tennessee, you don’t have to register your firearms but when you go buy one; you have to pass the background check. This was a common shotgun used for hunting. The father could legally purchase the gun,” the sheriff explains....

A juvenile trial date has been set for October 28, but the sheriff is bringing a motion in hopes of moving the case to an adult court. If the 11-year-old is tried as an adult and found guilty, he could be sentenced to life in prison but would escape the possibility of the death penalty because of his age....

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Not one, but two separate school shootings today. While Carson and Jeb! battle to see who can say the most goddamned stupid thing on the subject.

[O Really]

Both Arizona and Texas have decided it to be reasonable to allow firearms, including concealed firearms, on college campuses - Texas as recently as this year. Yeppers, those college males are really a responsible bunch. Unless of course you count the frat shenanigans, the drunken brawls (or parties, same difference sometimes) and excessive testosterone. More guns. Yep. That's the ticket.

[Vrede too]

NAU does not allow carrying on campus, though in one's car is okay. The shooting was in a parking lot, but I don't know how that applies.