Gun Legislation

[rstrong]

I'm scanning the BBC News site. I see the headline "Dog named Trigger shoots owner."

I wonder how I was able to guess what country this happened in...

[O Really]

And at most they'll probably get a misdemeanor charge of allowing access to a firearm to an unsupervised minor. Ridiculous. So explain to me again how holding people responsibility for their stupidity and negligence is "taking away our guns"? Guns on the table? In a house with little kids, at least one of which isn't yours? Didn't know it was loaded? What a bunch of effin' idiots that will probably walk away with an "opps."

So I was partially wrong. "James Fuller Stepp, 31, faces a felony count of involuntary manslaughter in connection to Abagail Newman's death." But he wasn't at home when it happened, and apparently they aren't charging the woman who was there, who walked past the shotgun on the table and left it there with little kids playing around. Personally I don't have a problem with charging the owner, but I don't think he's going to get convicted. They're both going to walk away with an opps.

[O Really]

I'm scanning the BBC News site. I see the headline "Dog named Trigger shoots owner."

I wonder how I was able to guess what country this happened in...

OK so she lays her shotgun down flat on the ground, knowing it had a shell in the chamber and she hadn't put on safety, and walks or stands in front of it while the dog is being a lab all around it. Somehow I don't think a "hunter safety course" would be very effective.

[Vrede too]

I'm scanning the BBC News site. I see the headline "Dog named Trigger shoots owner."

I wonder how I was able to guess what country this happened in...

Is Silver okay?

[Seth Milner]

Victim named in accidental shooting; loaded gun was on table (my Henderson County)

"At the beginning of the call, a child tells the dispatcher, "A gun came out and then it shot a little girl!"
Strange; I've not seen in any of the news stories how this precious child got shot. Since she was on the receiving end of the weapon, who pulled the trigger? News stories states there was a 7 year old there, did he/she do it?

There were six of us kids in my family, each 1-1½ years apart. Daddy kept two loaded shotguns in the house, usually standing in a corner somewhere in the house. We knew we were not to touch either of those guns, under any circumstances, and we didn't. The only time I saw either one of them gone is when Daddy was hunting or he was cleaning the dust off of them. Why, today are so many kids getting killed because of guns in the home? What's happened to plain discipline? I believe it was in Vrede too's linked article it said that all guns should be taken out of homes. What's wrong with teaching kids what they are not to put their hands on like it was taught years ago? I just don't understand.

[Seth Milner]

What this country needs is strict enforcement of "Gun-Free Zones"; yep, that's what we need alright.

[rstrong]

Why, today are so many kids getting killed because of guns in the home? What's happened to plain discipline?

I know it's hard to believe, but the NRA used to be about gun safety. Now they're a wing of the Republican Party, using batshit-crazy "we must have guns in every classroom", "Bill Clinton Obama Hillary is going to take all our guns away" fear mongering to wrangle gullible submorons into voting Republican. You MUST have guns, for freedom and America. The slightest hint of gun control - and that includes holding gun owners responsible - is commie Marxist socialist dictatorship. Whoa betide any prosecutor at election time if they even suggest otherwise.

And so not only are there a lot more guns now, but they're being bought in large numbers by the same gene pool who thinks that Sarah Palin and Donald Trump and the rest of the clown car are White House material. Now do you understand why there's so many accidents?

[Seth Milner]

Why, today are so many kids getting killed because of guns in the home? What's happened to plain discipline?

I know it's hard to believe, but the NRA used to be about gun safety. Now they're a wing of the Republican Party, using batshit-crazy "we must have guns in every classroom", "Bill Clinton Obama Hillary is going to take all our guns away" fear mongering to wrangle gullible submorons into voting Republican. You MUST have guns, for freedom and America. The slightest hint of gun control - and that includes holding gun owners responsible - is commie Marxist socialist dictatorship. Whoa betide any prosecutor at election time if they even suggest otherwise.

And so not only are there a lot more guns now, but they're being bought in large numbers by the same gene pool who thinks that Sarah Palin and Donald Trump and the rest of the clown car are White House material. Now do you understand why there's so many accidents?

None of that partisan, politically-biased, rambling mumbo-jumbo you spat out has anything to do with the question I asked : "Why, today are so many kids getting killed because of guns in the home? What's happened to plain discipline?" Discipline in the home, or lack of, is determined by the parent(s) political leanings?

[Vrede too]

My guess is that Seth Milner is just talking out of his ass and he has no idea whether the rate of child firearms deaths is lower or higher now than decades ago. He doesn't tend to "investigate" such things before posting.

I am grateful to learn that there were no disobedient kids in his day. I never knew that.

[rstrong]

None of that partisan, politically-biased, rambling mumbo-jumbo you spat out has anything to do with the question I asked : "Why, today are so many kids getting killed because of guns in the home? What's happened to plain discipline?" Discipline in the home, or lack of, is determined by the parent(s) political leanings?

Not being what you want to hear, doesn't make it partisan. What I wrote is obvious to anyone who *isn't* partisan.

I'd ask you to explain why you disagree, but you've never been capable of such a thing before.

[O Really]

There are probably still some kids whose parents teach them to stay away from the guns in the house, some of whom are taught also to use a firearm safely. But there are probably more that don't. Either they don't keep guns, or they aren't into gun safety, or they think firearms, like cigarettes, beer and sex should be taboo until 21 or whatever. The gun culture in the US isn't the same as it once was. F'rinstance, how many little kids have you seen lately wearing their six-shooters in the grocery? Back in the time Seth's looking at, a kid with an air gun in a park wouldn't get shot by the cops. Firearms aren't tools for normal use of getting food, getting rid of critters, whatever. They're tools for "self defense" and "to pertect my fambly" from whatever un-spoken perils abound. Tools of violence, no longer tools of function.

[Seth Milner]

My guess is that Seth Milner is just talking out of his ass and he has no idea whether the rate of child firearms deaths is lower or higher now than decades ago. He doesn't tend to "investigate" such things before posting.
I am grateful to learn that there were no disobedient kids in his day. I never knew that.

You just don't give up, do you? If you can't belittle someone, your day is shot all to hell isn't it ? My guess opinion is that you're blowing out your ass without completely comprehending what I wrote. Go back and read my post that you are blowing out of context. I said nothing about statistics, rates of GS deaths, or any thing of that sort. I quoted what a child said in the news report and questioned why more of today's children are dying of GSW's when guns have been present in homes since whenever. My point in my post was that parents aren't taking responsibility for teaching their kids to keep their hands off. It's quite obvious there were disobedient (and hateful) kids in my day; you're one of the finest examples of someone who was not taught manners or respect for others.

None of that partisan, politically-biased, rambling mumbo-jumbo you spat out has anything to do with the question I asked : "Why, today are so many kids getting killed because of guns in the home? What's happened to plain discipline?" Discipline in the home, or lack of, is determined by the parent(s) political leanings?

Not being what you want to hear, doesn't make it partisan. What I wrote is obvious to anyone who *isn't* partisan. I'd ask you to explain why you disagree, but you've never been capable of such a thing before.

My comments were not politically motivated, nor were they intended to be. How you feel about the NRA, Republicans, Democrats, or whatever party you worship here or in Canada has no bearing on why or how this little girl lost her life.

Tools of violence, no longer tools of function.

I disagree with you. It is a tool of function when confronted with a tool of violence. I hate to sound like the proverbial broken record about only outlaws having guns, but with all this gun control talk, I haven't heard one politician or gun control advocate explain how they plan to take guns from criminals; only the law-abiding citizens.

[O Really]

Tools of violence, no longer tools of function.

I disagree with you. It is a tool of function when confronted with a tool of violence. I hate to sound like the proverbial broken record about only outlaws having guns, but with all this gun control talk, I haven't heard one politician or gun control advocate explain how they plan to take guns from criminals; only the law-abiding citizens.

[sigh] That's the line of thought that comes from buying the NRA propaganda. It's already illegal for convicted felons to own firearms. The ones who get guns (and there are many) get them illegally. When they're caught, they get charged for the illegal possession. Nobody claims everybody gets caught. But the "criminals" are only part of the overall problem, probably a smaller part. A bigger part is indeed the "law-abiding citizens" who suddenly become murderers in a fit of anger because they've got a gun handy. Or the "accidents" like the one that killed the little kid last week. Or the people who think the first line of response to any threat ought to be a firearm. And the people who have demonstrated anger or violence issues and can legally buy and keep a firearm. It's a broad cultural issue, with little to do with "taking away guns." Letting CDC study gun violence isn't taking away guns. Tracking sales and ownership isn't taking away guns. Requiring training prior to licensing isn't taking away guns. Holding gun owners to the same standard of liability as car or homeowners isn't taking away guns. Establishing stiff penalties for not following the safe practices advocated even by the NRA isn't taking away guns. On the other hand, saying "stuff happens" is taking away lives.

[rstrong]

My comments were not politically motivated, nor were they intended to be. How you feel about the NRA, Republicans, Democrats, or whatever party you worship here or in Canada has no bearing on why or how this little girl lost her life.

You asked why there's so much new irresponsibility regarding guns. I gave you a good answer.

The NRA switched from promoting gun safety through responsibility, to promoting the Republican Party via batshit-crazy "we must have guns in every classroom", "Bill Clinton Obama Hillary is going to take all our guns away", "you must have guns for freedom and America" fear mongering.

They now scream about Obama being rabidly anti-gun for making the very same comments made by NRA-head Wayne Lapierre back in the 1980s. It doesn't matter than Obama has been demonstrably more pro-gun than Reagan or Bush I, because it's the NRA who is being partisan. Pointing this out is not. It's all on record. Even the now-standard calls for guns in every classroom after school shootings.

And with that partisan propaganda they're targeting the very morons who think that Sarah Palin, Donald Trump and Mike Huckabee are White House material. That too is on record, and pointing it out is not partisan.. Nor is it anti-Republican, if you're a traditional Republican rather than the Tea Party fringe. Nor is it anti-conservative; if there's one thing the Tea Partiers are not, it's conservative.

Why do you even ask such questions, when you don't want to hear the answer?

[Vrede too]

My guess is that Seth Milner is just talking out of his ass and he has no idea whether the rate of child firearms deaths is lower or higher now than decades ago. He doesn't tend to "investigate" such things before posting.

Point proved.

I am grateful to learn that there were no disobedient kids in his day. I never knew that.

(incessant whining ignored) ... My guess opinion is that you're blowing out your ass without completely comprehending what I wrote. Go back and read my post that you are blowing out of context. I said nothing about statistics, rates of GS deaths, or any thing of that sort.

Lie when busted, as usual.

... Why, today are so many kids getting killed because of guns in the home? What's happened to plain discipline? ... What's wrong with teaching kids what they are not to put their hands on like it was taught years ago? I just don't understand.

That's a clear statement that it's worse now.

I quoted what a child said in the news report and questioned why more of today's children are dying of GSW's

There you go again, stating it's "more" when you have no clue whether it is or not, hilarious given that you're in the midst of claiming, "I said nothing about statistics, rates of GS deaths, or any thing of that sort."

when guns have been present in homes since whenever. My point in my post was that parents aren't taking responsibility for teaching their kids to keep their hands off.

Another unsupported assertion of fact. It could be that we just hear more about such tragedies than we used to because of media technology and/or that kids ignore parental instruction as much as they ever did.

It's quite obvious there were disobedient (and hateful) kids in my day; ... (incessant whining ignored)

You've twice claimed less so, though.

Clearly, this will be yet another round where wussy Seth Milner stupidly denies over and over again what we can all see that he has posted, then eventually runs away.

Dishonest, uninformed and irresponsible people like Seth Milner make a better case for gun control than I could ever hope to.

[Vrede too]

You didn't include suicides in your list, O Really, vastly increased when there's access to firearms. While it could be a little tempting to applaud the cleansing of the gene pool, we're all probably better off if Seth Milner or someone close to him doesn't off themselves with his gun/s.

... I haven't heard one politician or gun control advocate explain how they plan to take guns from criminals; only the law-abiding citizens.

You're pretending to be deaf, again. As is evidenced between homes, states and comparable nations, fewer guns = fewer gun deaths. Sure, it will take awhile thanks to your ilk's ammosexual success in making more guns available to criminals and idiots, but the eventual results are undeniable.

[Seth Milner]

Vrede too, I sincerely apologize for calling you and hanging up on you so frequently. You see, I just bought this new voice-activated smartphone that knows who to call when you announce any name, whether you know them or not. When I get frustrated trying to figure it out and scream out "dumbass", it calls you. How's that for whining?

[Seth Milner]

Dishonest, uninformed and irresponsible people like Seth Milner make a better case for gun control than I could ever hope to.

It is rather difficult to compete with narcissism. How's that for whining?

[Vrede too]

SSDD, while ducking all the topical points.

Now, empty your trash. We didn't have all these fruit flies until you returned.

[Seth Milner]

We didn't have all these fruit flies until you returned.

The fruit was already here; the flies were attracted to the smell of rotting fruit.